Adani Hindenburg Saga 2.0

Suryavanshi said:
Guys buy Adani port if it falls.
Let other dhoti shivering fellas be.
A profitable business is a profitable business, no Rahul Gandhi or hindeburg can change that
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yup.

It was meant to increase the fear and fomo in overstretched market which would have'd serve the players in 2 way-
1. Economical- as an emerging fii destination, tarnish the image of Indian market and it's credibility
2. Political - after wiping out the base of inexperienced stock and fn0 traders, make a base of mass agitation against ruling party, that same thing was there by kangres paplu yesterday... its a all-out war now to punish India as a whole for its new found spine.

As BONUS- they did Short in very big last week anticipating the last year Adani fallout. But this time, I guess Indian Operators are I guess will just decay all their bought puts to 0 ( guess they shorted OTM ones).

Nifty50/Bank already recovered, instead We had a wonderful opportunity to make new positions today..
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Bhai koi explain karo... how would it be a loss for Hindenburg if he fails... & how much a loss it would be?

I just know buying and selling shares... zyada deep knowledge nahi hai.
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
Bhai koi explain karo... how would it be a loss for Hindenburg if he fails... & how much a loss it would be?

I just know buying and selling shares... zyada deep knowledge nahi hai.
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Adani lost 100B of network that time but Hindenturd did not make more than 4M$. Now Adani has regained that networth.

Hindenturd and it's masters are short seller. They sell borrowed stocks at TODAY's price (high), And if stock price plummets , they pay less while paying for borrowed stocks. That's how they make profit.
But if price did not fall in future, they don't get profit , or even incure loss if price of stock rises.

Looks like Hindenturd plan is failing. Adani shares did not take much hit.
 
Nutcracker said:
Adani lost 100B of network that time but Hindenturd did not make more than 4M$. Now Adani has regained that networth.

Hindenturd and it's masters are short seller. They sell borrowed stocks at TODAY's price (high), And if stock price plummets , they pay less while paying for borrowed stocks. That's how they make profit.
But if price did not fall in future, they don't get profit , or even incure loss if price of stock rises.
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For borrowing stocks like this there is a pretty hefty interest/fee . So if the stock remains the same value they lose heftily since the interest is in double digits even for the short carry trade.
 
Nutcracker said:
Adani lost 100B of network that time but Hindenturd did not make more than 4M$. Now Adani has regained that networth.

Hindenturd and it's masters are short seller. They sell borrowed stocks at TODAY's price (high), And if stock price plummets , they pay less while paying for borrowed stocks. That's how they make profit.
But if price did not fall in future, they don't get profit , or even incure loss if price of stock rises.

Looks like Hindenturd plan is failing. Adani shares did not take much hit.
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@iNorthernerOn9
Minor correction with "TODAY". it should be "few days back".

Hindenburg sells borrowed stocks before releasing their "gossip" and waits for share price to collapse.
 
iNorthernerOn9 said:
Bhai koi explain karo... how would it be a loss for Hindenburg if he fails... & how much a loss it would be?

I just know buying and selling shares... zyada deep knowledge nahi hai.
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Unlike Equity, the F&O ( future and options ) is the sector where these kind of parties bet in large amount.

Its kinda like betting, but for the general and ill informeds, who think market as a curve only.

In equity you can go long(cnc) and short for just intraday for now.
but for future or options you can bet in down side anticipating a fall for multiple days in advance.

Every market reacts according to good or bad news either up or down way.

Hindenburg did that thing, they anticipated that after they spread the fear of compromised SEBI, the equity traders will close their long positions ( in simple- the bought shears) at current price, either at profit or at loss prematurely. That will lead a domino effect in Index or the Derivative section ( it mimic s the index movement).
BUT, unlike equity sector, FnO has one thing in negative-- the decay... and expiry.... the more days market goes against your anticipated, you keep losing the invested amount. In the day of contract expiry, the whole invested value goes to 0 or a small residual value.

SO, if maket keeps on going up, the further market goes up, the more Hindenburg loses money... they have to either close the open contrats digesting the loss, or keep on losing.
And its has historically been observed that the down fall go multiple times faster that the up moves ( market can go down side the X amount in a single trading session which it had accumulated in may be months time frame)


So, what parties like hindenburg do is, bet for down side movement in Derivative section ( mostly Option Puts at far OTM premium, as it is way cheaper to buy than selling a call or future lot).

The further the market falls, the more the money invested gets multiplied.

Give or take 1 rupees of bought OTM put options goes around 800 rupees if market falls 1000 rupees ( that 80000% of invested money) in may be 1 hr or 30 min time frame, if market crashes.
 
@Boiled_AnDa
Indian retailers are evolving. I think even the retailers did not panick sell.
Now hope it does not plummet. Any further.

Overall a lost opportunity for me did not fall enough for me to add.
 
BTW it may go 5-7% down during the day as retailers who did short call-buy will make a profit and get out. So nothing to do with Pappu's new daddies.
 
Nutcracker said:
Some low IQ xhuts sold and gave profit to Hindenturd masters. Hopefully the volume should not be enough for them to gain profit.
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It depends on if they pulled out. If they had waited which normally happens then they are screwed. Last time the fall lasted for a week. So I doubt they had pulled out.

And for anyone buying, especially the one who wants to send a message or intervene, it is important to stay there.
 
Suryavanshi said:
@Boiled_AnDa
Indian retailers are evolving. I think even the retailers did not panick sell.
Now hope it does not plummet. Any further.

Overall a lost opportunity for me did not fall enough for me to add.
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my gut feeling is , its the operators going long to save the day, we had a good chunk of selling in first hour. Check the volume!
market was toucting 24200 almost at 9.45..


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The OI at 25k is unusually high, even its without any hedge it seems .... Someone did a dirty there it seems.

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It should go up to 3280 to hit their stop loss.
 
I am a noob , but can anyone tell me who won in today's market clash .
 
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