Air India AI 171 Crash in Ahemdabad (11 Viewers)

For people who dont understand

1.Electrical power is provided by the Engines in flight or the APU.

2.Apu is switched off after both engines start unless it is a high performance take off.

3.Incase both the engines are dead and there is no APU then RAT will come in.

4.Apu start takes about a minute or more and is manually done.

So if a plane looses both engines at a low altittude RAT will come in.

Sully also switched on the APU towards the last 1000 feet by captain’s authority as it was not a immediate action in the checklist.
 


I also think it is sabotage at the maintenance level

>Flight in Gujurat
>Ex-CM on board
>High casualties even from on ground victims
>We know that both engines are dead is supposed to be one in a million chance, perhaps if they were in normal bad condition pre-flight checks me it should have been found out right?

So I think deliberate sabotage has been done, something very specific that would juke any pre-flight checks, but only get "activated" after take off for max casualties.

ofc there are no prizes for guessing which Failed Marshall country is behind this.
 
I also think it is sabotage at the maintenance level

>Flight in Gujurat
>Ex-CM on board
>High casualties even from on ground victims
>We know that both engines are dead is supposed to be one in a million chance, perhaps if they were in normal bad condition pre-flight checks me it should have been found out right?

So I think deliberate sabotage has been done, something very specific that would juke any pre-flight checks, but only get "activated" after take off for max casualties.

ofc there are no prizes for guessing which Failed Marshall country is behind this.
Then we need to do similar incidents in those terrorist countries involving hvts.
 
Mitra is sounding like an idiot by claiming flaps are retracted for reducing drag.

Those from aviation will laugh at him.
Nothing can be more pathetic than his rant.

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BTW I am now inclined towards a sophisticated sabotage theory. Whatever it was (I think a controlled explosion inside the avionics bay), it killed the engines. The rest was a cascading effect.
 
So fuel contamination or fuel pump malfunction sabotage isnt ruled out? We already have 30-40 crore tableeghi jamat sleeper cell, even if 5 were there in vt anb maintenance team, it was enough for them to do major damage
 
Many media channels found the 17yo boy named "Aryan" who recorded the 1st video, they went to his house & showed him, his terrace, his video clip on his cellphone.

But the point to note is that most media channels are not playing original, unedited, FHD (1920x1080p) video & sound, but its recording from playback on another screen, or edited. :mad::rage:

Bcoz if the ORIGINAL HIGH-RES VIDEO was revealed then the media channels would not get the world to speculate on Flaps, RAT, engines, bird hit, etc & get the TRP.



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4yZhIhE6fg

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The file info clearly shows date stamp, file name, 1920x1080, 49.10 MB, 00:25 (video length).
When professional S/w will enhance the frames then it'll be more clear.
The flaps seem to be deployed in take-off position.
RAT seems deployed too.
The engine sound seems to be far lower than at takeoff & climb phase.
 
Many media channels found the 17yo boy named "Aryan" who recorded the 1st video, they went to his house & showed him, his terrace, his video clip on his cellphone.

But the point to note is that most media channels are not playing original, unedited, FHD (1920x1080p) video & sound, but its recording from playback on another screen, or edited. :mad::rage:

Bcoz if the ORIGINAL HIGH-RES VIDEO was revealed then the media channels would not get the world to speculate on Flaps, RAT, engines, bird hit, etc & get the TRP.



View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4yZhIhE6fg

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The file info clearly shows date stamp, file name, 1920x1080, 49.10 MB, 00:25 (video length).
When professional S/w will enhance the frames then it'll be more clear.
The flaps seem to be deployed in take-off position.
RAT seems deployed too.
The engine sound seems to be far lower than at takeoff & climb phase.

Here in the video also he says for the same video that the Engine is live…whereas the RAT is live.


View: https://youtu.be/z7EZkungFEE?si=nhXfAboMmCmpI8Vr
 
Go to the stopwatch on your smart phone.

Press start.

Wait for 32 seconds.

Press stop.

Now ask yourself:

What could you do in that time?

Brush your teeth?

Have a shower?

Wear your clothes?

Have a cup of coffee?

None of the above?

Then ask yourself:

Would you be able to make a life or death decision in that time?

Would you WANT to make a life or death decision in that time?

Well, that is apparently the amount of time that the pilots on the Air India Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, Flight AI 171, from Ahmedabad to Gatwick, had.

From take-off to crash.

32 seconds.

If one has ever peeked into the cockpit of a modern aircraft, then I guess one would comprehend the difficulty even more.

Because people have been talking about and analyzing the videos of that horrible crash.

Expert airmen and air women.

Flyers with thousands of hours of experience.

And they are still unable to definitively state what might have gone wrong.

After more than 30 hours.

They can’t figure it out.

Bird strike?

Dual engine failure?

Incorrect take-off configuration?

Flaps not correctly deployed?

Landing gear not retracted in time?

Hydraulics?

Nah, they just can’t say.

Not yet, not with certainty.

Not without the flight data recorder and the voice recorder, they can’t.

And yet, those poor pilots in that fated cockpit didn’t have 30 hours.

They had the luxury of a full 32 seconds.

To decide.

With certainty.

What in their modern, highly complex airplane, with millions of little knobs and gizmos and gadgets and dials, had actually gone wrong.

What should they do?

Not what should they speculate, but what should they actually do?

Because once they had figured out what had gone wrong, they still had to fix it.

All in a grand total of 32 seconds.

And not 32 seconds of peaceful thinking.

But 32 seconds of horrible frantic thinking, scrambling for ideas, running through mental checklists in the blur of seconds, racking through their brains for everything they had learnt in flight school and thousands of hours of flying, checking, scanning, altimeter, airspeed, stick shaker, what’s going on, why, why, why, with sirens and warnings likely blaring in the background, knowing that what they decide could impact their lives as well as the lives of another 240 souls on board, shit, 240 souls, why, what, how, will I see my baby.

I pick up my own smart phone.

Flick on the stopwatch.

Start.

Let it run to 32 seconds.

What must it be like, then, to know, with utmost certainty, possibly around the 15 second mark, that this was it?

That these would be the last few precious seconds of my life?

To know that things were hopeless, beyond fixing, to press that button on the radio and say those last words:

Mayday, Mayday, Mayday.

Hopefully some day we will know.

Some of the answers at least, I hope.

Of what went on in that cockpit.

What went wrong with that aircraft.

Why did it fall slowly out of the sky?

And hopefully once we know, airlines around the world will scramble to fix things.

To fix airframes, or equipment, or crew, or ground staff or whatever went wrong.

So that these 32 seconds never happen again.

Tonight, before your head touches that soft comfortable pillow, close your eyes.

And say a little prayer.

For 32 seconds.

Better still, pick up that smartphone, yes, the one with the smartwatch, and call someone.

Someone you love.

And let them know.

You love them.

Because life is fragile.

And who knows.

One day, we may only have…

32 seconds.
 
Here in the video also he says for the same video that the Engine is live…whereas the RAT is live.


View: https://youtu.be/z7EZkungFEE?si=nhXfAboMmCmpI8Vr

It's engagement farming , nothing else ..why this guy given his profile and reaching trying to set a narrative irrespective of the investigation..
What if he is proven wrong ? He won't apologize, he will just give a footer or disappear for a month only to pop up when such disaster happen
And wtf with the pilot costume ?
 
Nothing can be more pathetic than his rant.

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BTW I am now inclined towards a sophisticated sabotage theory. Whatever it was (I think a controlled explosion inside the avionics bay), it killed the engines. The rest was a cascading effect.
@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR Sir, is it possible for investigators to determine if sabotage occurred at the maintenance level? For example, if someone contaminated the fuel, can they still find evidence of it even if the plane is largely destroyed by fire?"
 
What if it was an evil software update which killed the engine and flaps control??
can airline make cockpit or aircraft software changes or is it with maker?
 
One day, we may only have…

32 seconds.
I think the pilots had less time than that. If the pilot(s) knew there was a problem from the start of the take off run, they would have aborted before V1, wouldn't they? I guess that a problem became apparent after V1. I hear that they did not rotate until near the end of the runway.
 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac90bLg1Oek

This video is good one. Flaps theory is pretty much debunked. Says Pilot error is extremely unlikely as well and they did the right thing by keeping the nose up when it was going down.

Goes through many theories.

His hypothesis is dual engine failure just seconds after departure which in turn meant landing gear couldn’t be retracted due to loss of hydraulic power. This also led to the RAT coming out.

Posits that this is due to fuel contamination or an avionics fire both of which could in turn cause catastrophic engine failures.

What do you think @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR
 
Here in the video also he says for the same video that the Engine is live…whereas the RAT is live.


View: https://youtu.be/z7EZkungFEE?si=nhXfAboMmCmpI8Vr


It is not about which video but the original file.
In my post i targeted the media for NOT playing the original FHD resolution file & sound leading to their TRP & waste of time on speculation of flaps, RAT, etc.

I already watched the video you shared, nothing new for me, i covered whatever he said in my 1st post itself.
This video also plays recording of playback on a screen, hence we see contoured lines.
Try taking video from cell phone of another screen of cellphone, TV, PC monitor. You'll see the contoured lines. Its just the way cameras & screen works.
 
@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR Sir, is it possible for investigators to determine if sabotage occurred at the maintenance level? For example, if someone contaminated the fuel, can they still find evidence of it even if the plane is largely destroyed by fire?"
Yes they will see large surge and stall in the thrust.
 

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac90bLg1Oek

This video is good one. Flaps theory is pretty much debunked. Says Pilot error is extremely unlikely as well and they did the right thing by keeping the nose up when it was going down.

Goes through many theories.

His hypothesis is dual engine failure just seconds after departure which in turn meant landing gear couldn’t be retracted due to loss of hydraulic power. This also led to the RAT coming out.

Posits that this is due to fuel contamination or an avionics fire both of which could in turn cause catastrophic engine failures.

What do you think @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR

Ya his assessment is fine.

I dont know why landing gear not being retracted is made a big deal bcoz it can be forgotten and it has happened many times before also.

Once a all female AI crew forgot to retract landing gear and reported fuel leak to land midway…later came to know they didnt retract landing gear.

😬😝
 

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