Air India AI 171 Crash in Ahemdabad (17 Viewers)

[Bhartiya Sainik]

It is not about which video but the original file.
In my post i targeted the media for NOT playing the original FHD resolution file & sound leading to their TRP & waste of time on speculation of flaps, RAT, etc.

I already watched the video you shared, nothing new for me, i covered whatever he said in my 1st post itself.
This video also plays recording of playback on a screen, hence we see contoured lines.
Try taking video from cell phone of another screen of cellphone, TV, PC monitor. You'll see the contoured lines. Its just the way cameras & screen works.

If the original FHD file was played everywhere then perhaps there would be no flaps/pilot error theory consideration ANYWHERE.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Ya his assessment is fine.

I dont know why landing gear not being retracted us made a big deal bcoz it can be forgotten and it has happened many times before also.

Once a all female AI crew forgot to retract landing gear and reported fuel leak to land midway…later came to know they didnt retract landing gear.

This incident must have come in news.
If LGs are not retracted after certain speed, won't the avionics flash signs on MFD, sound alarm & warning LEDs, which has to be manually acknowledged & put off?

 

[sameer]

Ya his assessment is fine.

I dont know why landing gear not being retracted is made a big deal bcoz it can be forgotten and it has happened many times before also.

Once a all female AI crew forgot to retract landing gear and reported fuel leak to land midway…later came to know they didnt retract landing gear.

He says it was partially retracted based on the pictures and video, ie it would mean that the pilots did try to retract but it failed midway due to hydraulic failure. At 7:35

Anyway it’s a interesting hypothesis.

 

[sameer]

Btw, this fuel contamination theory doesn’t sound right to me. Shouldn’t fuel contamination affect other planes taking off that day too since the fuel at the airport is sourced from a common place?

Or is it that GEnX engines are somehow more sensitive to FC than others?

 

[Spitfire IX]

If the data on the FDR is readable, how long before the agency responsible for investigation gives out some initial information?

 

[vampyrbladez]

Advise to all concerned, do not fly Air India if you can't get an Airbus or older Boeing plane.

Another dreamliner on a Delhi to Bangalore run had a snag and flight was cancelled.


View: https://x.com/TheNavroopSingh/status/1933888192547344696

You can check the aircraft make and model using Flight Number and FlightRadar24.

Cynthia Kitchens, a former quality manager who worked at the Charleston plant between 2009 and 2016, has a binder full of notes, documents and photos from her frustrating years at Boeing, one page of which lists the numbers of the eleven planes delivered between early 2012 and late 2013 whose quality defects most kept her awake at night. Six of them went to Air India, whose purchases were bolstered by billions of dollars in Export-Import Bank loan guarantees. The plane that crashed was delivered in January 2014 from Boeing’s now-defunct assembly line in Everett, Washington, though its mid- and aft- fuselages were produced in Charleston.

Perhaps most harrowing, however, was the footage filmed by an assembly line worker who wore a hidden camera as went about his day chatting up colleagues, virtually all of whom said they would never allow their family members to fly one of the planes the factory was producing.

“I raised my hand and said, ‘No one who works in this factory wants to fly these planes, I mean, that’s just the truth,’” Kitchens said. A woman she didn’t know, who was wearing a bomber jacket emblazoned with the FAA logo, shot her a scowl. But it was hardly the first time she’d expressed anxiety over the planes’ safety with upper management.

Years earlier, she had asked a boss if he would let his children fly on a plane with the litany of flaws and non-conformances he was urging her to “pencil-whip”: “Cindy, none of these planes are staying in America, they’re all going overseas,” he retorted, much to her horror.

An investigator who worked on the documentary told the Prospect that employees he interviewed were especially anxious about three planes they had worked on that were scheduled to be delivered to Air India during the first months of 2014. The planes all had serious flaws that required them to be flown to the union assembly line in Everett to be re-worked. The Air India Dreamliner that crashed today took off from the Everett airport en route to Delhi for the first time on January 31, 2014.

https://prospect.org/economy/2025-0...ng-manager-nightmares-just-crashed-air-india/

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

This incident must have come in news.
If LGs are not retracted after certain speed, won't the avionics flash signs on MFD, sound alarm & warning LEDs, which has to be manually acknowledged & put off?

AI plane flies with wheels out, forced to land early | India News - Times of India

India News: Air India has grounded two pilots who forgot to retract aircraft landing gear after take off and then flew all the way from Kolkata to Nagpur with the

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

He says it was partially retracted based on the pictures and video, ie it would mean that the pilots did try to retract but it failed midway due to hydraulic failure. At 7:35

Anyway it’s a interesting hypothesis.

Ya i saw that later…

What i am more interested is why did the attitude of the aircraft change mid way in glide before impact.

Was it pilot trying to reduce sink rate or was he trimming the plane…or something else?

 

[liberalredditor]

If the data on the FDR is readable, how long before the agency responsible for investigation gives out some initial information?

A month said for preliminary report

 

[Muzh]

This incident must have come in news.
If LGs are not retracted after certain speed, won't the avionics flash signs on MFD, sound alarm & warning LEDs, which has to be manually acknowledged & put off?

Maybe the alarm system failed. It happens too.

 

[shade2]

Maybe the alarm system failed. It happens too.

>both engines fail
>alarms fail
>after takeoff onleee

Too many Cohencidences these all are
It's not even something like Boeing incompetence and chindigiri would produce.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

AI plane flies with wheels out, forced to land early | India News - Times of India

India News: Air India has grounded two pilots who forgot to retract aircraft landing gear after take off and then flew all the way from Kolkata to Nagpur with the

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

What about my 2nd question from engineering PoV?

If LGs are not retracted after certain speed, won't the avionics flash signs on MFD, sound alarm & warning LEDs, which has to be manually acknowledged & put off?

 

[Muzh]

Advise to all concerned, do not fly Air India if you can't get an Airbus or older Boeing plane.

Another dreamliner on a Delhi to Bangalore run had a snag and flight was cancelled.


View: https://x.com/TheNavroopSingh/status/1933888192547344696

You can check the aircraft make and model using Flight Number and FlightRadar24.






https://prospect.org/economy/2025-0...ng-manager-nightmares-just-crashed-air-india/

I will be flying Air India. I love the direct flight between New Delhi and San Francisco. If I have to pick between death and inconvenience, I would pick death

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

AI plane flies with wheels out, forced to land early | India News - Times of India

India News: Air India has grounded two pilots who forgot to retract aircraft landing gear after take off and then flew all the way from Kolkata to Nagpur with the

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Within the limits of speed the aircraft doesnt show any warning..and with gear extended you cannot reach high speed or high altitude.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I will be flying Air India. I love the direct flight between New Delhi and San Francisco. If I have to pick between death and inconvenience, I would pick death

That route is 777.

 

[Brood Father]

Within the limits of speed the aircraft doesnt show any warning..and with gear extended you cannot reach high speed or high altitude.

As one poster pointed out , it could be partially retracted because of hydraulic loss .

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

As one poster pointed out , it could be partially retracted because of hydraulic loss .

This is not for the crash..that was for another incident i was talking about.

 

[Muzh]

What if it was an evil software update which killed the engine and flaps control??
can airline make cockpit or aircraft software changes or is it with maker?

Modern air planes have very sophisticated autopilots; these autopilots can practically fly (and crash?) the airplane. FMS (Flight Management System) computers are linked to autopilots and other equipments that rely on realtime data that sometimes are fetched from an external API which uses a sophisticated transmission protocol called ACARS (Aircraft Communication Addressing and Reporting System).

As you can see, if adequate security measures are not incorporated into the design of FMS and autopilots, it is possible to hack at least some features of an airplane while it is in flight.

Note: I am not saying this is what happened. I am also certainly not saying that there was any flaw in the design of FMS and autopilot of the said aircraft. My post is based on what is a public knowledge.

 

[asl001]

Kindly delete, if it's bullshit. I don't understand if this has any value , but flashy headlines. So posted it .

View: https://youtu.be/9EDho1UDWzM?si=N5VSE9G0BcS3-0HU

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

View: https://x.com/hvgoenka/status/1933916124803903906?s=46