Air India AI 171 Crash in Ahmedabad (7 Viewers)

[shade2]

I mean chings got their embassy bombed by US and didn't do anything.

Yes, the average chong pelted the US embassy with rotten tomatoes and eggs.

Because there are 2. Odds of both being suicidal at the same time is infinitesimal. That too, very few suicidal people want to take 300 people with them.

If it is because of pilot action, aside from suicide it could be either one or both was threatened with their family into doing this.

Anyway methinks this is a coverup to avoid taking action on Boeing and making Trump upset.

 

[Brood Father]

Blaming the dead pilots with >suicide and >confusion is the easiest way out

Blaming Boeing would mean somebody in the White House gets upset and applies sanctions and embargoes.

Making any discovery of sabotage public would necessitate a response.


Hope one day our country will be strong enough to stand up against superpower and their favorite companies
You wouldn't have the Chings doing this that's for sure.

Report do not blame anyone , it just stated facts. People then make inferences based on report.
It's nothing to do with any conspiracy,it's all about facts.

 

[spikey360]

Because there are 2. Odds of both being suicidal at the same time is infinitesimal. That too, very few suicidal people want to take 300 people with them.

No no, it's perfectly possible and it makes a lot of sense that the suicidal pilot (one of them only) did it at the very onset of the take off.
Consider this hypothesis.
The suicidal pilot knew that his tactics of fuel cut off would not work when plane is high in the sky as it would be able to glide down, and moreover there would be time to react, once the plane is stable in the air.
So as soon as the take off was done, wheels were off the ground, he used his right hand to shut the switch one by one while the other was preoccupied with the stick.
Here the order of switching off is important. If it was left switch then right, the pilot did it. If it was the other way around, then the first officer did it.
but, having said all this, it might be possible that this hypothesis is wrong, and it may have been caused by a technical flaw. All I ask is we keep an open mind.

 

[TringTringMonster]

Lets be honest. Its deliberate and more things are happening in the background than we are aware of. Its like seeing smoke from outside while fire is raging inside the building.

a lot of people are are hell bent on protecting someone or something. Why would our investigative body make the report available at 2am in morning? why would BBC and rest of the channels be ready with their headlines?

 

[TringTringMonster]

Also why would the report mention the FAA warning if it was purely pilot's fault?

'Advisory, not mandatory': Did FAA flag fuel control switch issue on Boeing jets in 2018? What AI 171 probe report says | India News - Times of India

India News: A preliminary report on the Air India crash in Ahmedabad reveals a 2018 US report flagged a potential fuel control switch issue in Boeing aircraft. Th

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

I learned that i should not delay my replies keeping the drafts for long. But after office & family work we've very less time.

I'm busy today. But quick look at videos citing prelim report, i see fishy/suspicious things which i'll share tonight or tomorrow with screenshot, like -
- Some other frame from other airport CCTVs from left side whileT/o have been shown but not allowed to public earlier except the only one, WHY??????? So that media can have their TRP?????
- if gear lever was down then how the MLGs tipped forward? Upon impact also the switches, knobs, levers can move.
- Then, thrust levers found at idle but EAFR data says they remained forward till impact.
- IDK about CVR data. Some people say that 1 of the pilot actually did some blunder error. 1 pilot said "why did you cut off fuel switch" & other replied he didn't!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only FDR data can reveal truth if not manipulated.

In short i still suspect that report could be fabricated in favor of Boeing's, GE's & Tata's upcopming business.
If Boeing has been caught lying earlier in many cases,
people like Boeing employees,
then Mary Schiavo (former IG, US Dept. of Transportation),
some of our experts like Dr. Vandana Singh,
retired IAF & civil pilots (domestic & foreign) can suspect glitch,
then why can't we?

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

No no, it's perfectly possible and it makes a lot of sense that the suicidal pilot (one of them only) did it at the very onset of the take off.
Consider this hypothesis.
The suicidal pilot knew that his tactics of fuel cut off would not work when plane is high in the sky as it would be able to glide down, and moreover there would be time to react, once the plane is stable in the air.
So as soon as the take off was done, wheels were off the ground, he used his right hand to shut the switch one by one while the other was preoccupied with the stick.
Here the order of switching off is important. If it was left switch then right, the pilot did it. If it was the other way around, then the first officer did it.
but, having said all this, it might be possible that this hypothesis is wrong, and it may have been caused by a technical flaw. All I ask is we keep an open mind.

Suicidal people generally don't kill innocents. Why would he punish innocent flyers who have never met him?? If its company anger?? I don't think so either? Was he angry at society? Well, Crashing the plane is not an answer either.

I am pretty sure the plane was downed to send a message to India. It carried a BJP exCM. It crashed in and from a BJP stronghold state. I am now pretty sure Gen. Rawat was also murdered. Mannahor Parrikar too were murdered.

 

[Miss Firing]

Lets be honest. Its deliberate and more things are happening in the background than we are aware of. Its like seeing smoke from outside while fire is raging inside the building.

a lot of people are are hell bent on protecting someone or something. Why would our investigative body make the report available at 2am in morning? why would BBC and rest of the channels be ready with their headlines?

Extremely pathetic state of affairs as the report has been released in the mid of night in India. Who authorized this? Is there any precedent like this before,like any report related to some transport accidents being released in India when almost all of India are sleeping? It just shows the extend of corporate/third party state control/pressure on our institutions. Anyone can make out that this timing is for "sync" in reporting in West.

Makes us look utterly compromised/powerless.

Whatever the report was, it SHOULD have been released during normal working hours.

Meanwhile -

Expert Claims Pilot May Have Deliberately Crashed Air India Flight

A leading aviation safety expert has suggested that the fatal crash of Air India Flight 171 may have been the result of deliberate human action, raising, for the first time, the possibility of a pilot-induced crash.

www.ndtv.com

Expert Claims Pilot May Have Deliberately Crashed Air India Flight​

Captain Mohan Ranganathan, one of India's leading aviation experts, has pointed to the sequence of fuel cutoff switches and cockpit audio to suggest that the crash may have stemmed from deliberate actions.​

Again speculations, nothing solid, so far.



As per aviation minister the report is only primary & that they are waiting for more concrete data points.

It is just some media like BBC & local charlatans adding exotic wordings to arrive at pre-determined conclusion.

 

[redpanda]

Fuel switch "locking" mechanism could fail on 787s, particularly the model used here. There was even an advisory issued on it.

It's too early to jump into any conclusion. But I see a lot of folks on YT jumping into the it must be human error conclusion.

'Advisory, not mandatory': Did FAA flag fuel control switch issue on Boeing jets in 2018? What AI 171 probe report says | India News - Times of India

India News: A preliminary report on the Air India crash in Ahmedabad reveals a 2018 US report flagged a potential fuel control switch issue in Boeing aircraft. Th

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

"This Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) is to advise registered owners and operators of The Boeing Company Model 717-200 airplanes; Model 737-700, -700C, -800, and -900ER series airplanes; Model 737-8 and -9 airplanes; Model 747-400, -400D, -400F, -8, and -8F series airplanes; Model 757-200, -200CB, -200PF, and -300 series airplanes; Model 767-200, -300, -300F, -400ER, and -2C series airplanes; Model 787-8, -9, and -10 airplanes; Model MD-11 and MD-11F airplanes; and Model MD-90-30 airplanes of the potential for disengagement of the fuel control switch locking feature," the report said.

 

[trombone]

Here the order of switching off is important. If it was left switch then right, the pilot did it. If it was the other way around, then the first officer did it.

prelim report doesn't reveal it for some reason. but investigators already know who said what based on headset-mic recording/CVR.

 

[Selvam91]

Suicidal people generally don't kill innocents. Why would he punish innocent flyers who have never met him?? If its company anger?? I don't think so either? Was he angry at society? Well, Crashing the plane is not an answer either.

I am pretty sure the plane was downed to send a message to India. It carried a BJP exCM. It crashed in and from a BJP stronghold state. I am now pretty sure Gen. Rawat was also murdered. Mannahor Parrikar too were murdered.

Manohar parrikar was on treatment for Pancreatic cancer for more than a year.And you are fiddling conspiracy theory. Shame on you

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Manohar parrikar was on treatment for Pancreatic cancer for more than a year.And you are fiddling conspiracy theory. Shame on you

Lol, Like pancreatic cancer can't be artificially seeded. It seems unrealistic right. Its as unrealistic as hundreds of hezbollah operatives loosing their peen simultaneously. Who have thought?

Its not like western agencies are not trigger happy. They tried to kill an ex POTUS for god's sake. How realistic it was to leave that sniper spot?? We all know the security cover of US Secret Service. Yet a bullet grazed an ex POTUS.

These are high stakes games buddy.

 

[Brood Father]

Lol, Like pancreatic cancer can't be artificially seeded. It seems unrealistic right. Its as unrealistic as hundreds of hezbollah operatives loosing their peen simultaneously. Who have thought?

Its not like western agencies are not trigger happy. They tried to kill an ex POTUS for god's sake. How realistic it was to leave that sniper spot?? We all know the security cover of US Secret Service. Yet a bullet grazed an ex POTUS.

These are high stakes games buddy.

Didn't know about that. There is a limit to conspiracy theories. Any sane medical person can debunk this .
Anywho this is a topic different thread and should be moved to relevant . There is a much more serious discussion happening here.

 

[indrajit]

Fuel switch "locking" mechanism could fail on 787s, particularly the model used here. There was even an advisory issued on it.

It's too early to jump into any conclusion. But I see a lot of folks on YT jumping into the it must be human error conclusion.

'Advisory, not mandatory': Did FAA flag fuel control switch issue on Boeing jets in 2018? What AI 171 probe report says | India News - Times of India

India News: A preliminary report on the Air India crash in Ahmedabad reveals a 2018 US report flagged a potential fuel control switch issue in Boeing aircraft. Th

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

"This Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) is to advise registered owners and operators of The Boeing Company Model 717-200 airplanes; Model 737-700, -700C, -800, and -900ER series airplanes; Model 737-8 and -9 airplanes; Model 747-400, -400D, -400F, -8, and -8F series airplanes; Model 757-200, -200CB, -200PF, and -300 series airplanes; Model 767-200, -300, -300F, -400ER, and -2C series airplanes; Model 787-8, -9, and -10 airplanes; Model MD-11 and MD-11F airplanes; and Model MD-90-30 airplanes of the potential for disengagement of the fuel control switch locking feature," the report said.

Both switches are not likely to have that problem at the same time and potential disengagement of the locking feature doesnt mean the switch would change positions. . I'm afraid this is looking horrible. The report wouldn't have said what it has if they didn't know reasonably sure the cause. They probably know much more than what has been put out. It seems to me that they are preparing the ground for the eventuality here. This is terrible, terrible news.

 

[Rune]

Didn't know about that. There is a limit to conspiracy theories. Any sane medical person can debunk this .
Anywho this is a topic different thread and should be moved to relevant . There is a much more serious discussion happening here.

Nationalist have gone completely insane over this report both here and online. Embarrassing to say the least.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Pilot 1 didn't cut the fuel
Pilot 2 didn't cut the fuel

Then who what cut the fuel?

or or

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Didn't know about that. There is a limit to conspiracy theories. Any sane medical person can debunk this .
Anywho this is a topic different thread and should be moved to relevant . There is a much more serious discussion happening here.

I am told selective radiation exposure can lead to cancer. We really don't have real information at that level of game. Information suppression, Information misdirection, misinformation, disinformation, information flooding and misinterpretation. All the tools are used to flatten the information integrity and authenticity. The main objective is to shape the information landscape in your favor. Its also not like Indian Information space has some consistency. Its a country where the information is mangled and shaped with impunity.

So, We really don't know if his cause of death really is pancreatic cancer. Maybe he had the pancreatic cancer and still could live more but somehow he was offed before his roll call. Just like now this crash is being blamed on a suicidal pilot. Really?? If its suicidal pilot, will it not be a suicide terror attack?? Oh it will not be classified as such. Remember Sunanda Pushkar?? Sushant Singh Rajpoot? Too many cases where the real cause is suppressed and a new cause is fabricated.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Why do cockpits not have video recordings. A vid footage could've cleared all the conspiracy generated by their convo.

Vid footage might show 100% if a pilot moved the switches. A missing, important fact.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Nationalist have gone completely insane over this report both here and online. Embarrassing to say the least.

I think everyone here is a nationalist. Our flavors differ. Aren't you a nationalist too. May not be a Dharmic nationalist, but a civic nationalist atleast.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

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