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[Suryavanshi]

I would suggest stay away from psus for a good while. The last two years saw psu skrocket, while it is still good people need to realize they are over subscribed at this moment.
I am expecting a major correction that will reset the market back to 22000 hopefully.
The smalll crashes that happened during the election and budget policy are very unprecedented, the impact is felt more than it was ever before.
Signs of a very psychologically weak population riding the market. We are a good crisis away from seeing 5000 or so point getting wiped out.

 

[Nutcracker]

I would suggest stay away from psus for a good while. The last two years saw psu skrocket, while it is still good people need to realize they are over subscribed at this moment.
I am expecting a major correction that will reset the market back to 22000 hopefully.
The smalll crashes that happened during the election and budget policy are very unprecedented, the impact is felt more than it was ever before.
Signs of a very psychologically weak population riding the market. We are a good crisis away from seeing 5000 or so point getting wiped out.

PSUs which are commodity and product based, no matter how low their return is its better to go long on them.
Its the IT/Service companies which are going to take hit, and its gonna be a long torture for them.

 

[Nutcracker]

Prepare for the DIP..

https://www.livemint.com/market/stock-market-news/warren-buffett-s-berkshire-hathaway-slashes-apple-stake-by-50-on-selling-spree-cash-holding-nears-280-billion-11722699212810.html

Indian market opened at 2%
Japanese market 7%

Watch out for S&P.

 

[Boiled_AnDa]

Prepare for the DIP..

https://www.livemint.com/market/stock-market-news/warren-buffett-s-berkshire-hathaway-slashes-apple-stake-by-50-on-selling-spree-cash-holding-nears-280-billion-11722699212810.html

Indian market opened at 2%
Japanese market 7%

Watch out for S&P.

nothing new, been seeing deep from 2008 era... wait for bottom fishing with cash... no need to panic.

 

[SKC]

Scan the stocks and buy up few who are having big dips!

 

[Boiled_AnDa]

Scan the stocks and buy up few who are having big dips!

like? suggest please.

 

[SKC]

like? suggest please.

Whatever sector you monitor!

I monitor railway funds and stocks. Searching there for some big dips.

However, due to conditions unfurling in B'gdesh might be further dip tomorrow.

 

[Nutcracker]

Amreeki pre-market trends suggest that overall stocks might dive 5-7% today after opening.
Anyone into American stocks, Don't buy yet. I'm expecting 20% more correction in next few weeks

 

[Boiled_AnDa]

Amreeki pre-market trends suggest that overall stocks might dive 5-7% today after opening.
Anyone into American stocks, Don't buy yet. I'm expecting 20% more correction in next few weeks

small hint

 

[Kedar]

nothing new, been seeing deep from 2008 era... wait for bottom fishing with cash... no need to panic.

Lol, what is this nonsense? Panic is what people do when the mechanism is stairs going up and elevators going down. People trying to make a buck of stock market in a country like India where INR is not USD like and economy not like Japan or China is too premature. Greedy society like US and greedy people like Indian's reach same destination. THose who bought gold can sit tight just like our ancestors expecting this government can fend off hordes that came in to loot in the centuries of past as recent as Razakaars.

 

[Nutcracker]

Lol, what is this nonsense? Panic is what people do when the mechanism is stairs going up and elevators going down. People trying to make a buck of stock market in a country like India where INR is not USD like and economy not like Japan or China is too premature. Greedy society like US and greedy people like Indian's reach same destination. THose who bought gold can sit tight just like our ancestors expecting this government can fend off hordes that came in to loot in the centuries of past as recent as Razakaars.

He meant that "no need to hurry". It will further dip , then Indians/Businessmen should think about buying out some American companies with heavy R&D background, like Ambani bought Faradion.

 

[Kedar]

He meant that "no need to hurry". It will further dip , then Indians/Businessmen should think about buying out some American companies with heavy R&D background, like Ambani bought Faradion.

Well, only rule that works in market with any kind of good odds is what people like Buffet repeat to this day which is buy when everyone is in panic and sit tight......still there is risk but odds are better and rationale is better and diversify. Rest all pontifacting on quarter over quarter and day trades are just shit.....if its someone else's money that you are playing like retirement funds or mutuals then sure, I will still get my commisions.

Indian's will buy nothing as they can't see beyond their noses.

 

[Boiled_AnDa]

Lol, what is this nonsense?

Pardon me?

 

[Kedar]

Pardon me?

My comments was to your "Not to panic and wait for bottom" sentiment when most people are overleveraged via retirement funds or just savings, markets meltdown is a result of panic. Everyone know current markets are reflection of funny money manufactured mostly in US and trickling down into other markets. Multi trillion dollar companies, seriously? Panic is inevitable when your retirement and other savings take a 25% clean shave at minimum.

2008 is different from now, they had some leverage to introduce quantitative easing and it really is beginning of dilution followed by covid and continues with real inflation and wars and so on.....only option is to prop it up one way or other but at what cost or just pop it for good meaning US losing the grip on the world and both are going to impact Bharat in more than one way.

If you feel like gambling then do some short selling and go on that ride.

 

[Boiled_AnDa]

My comments was to your "Not to panic" sentiment, markets meltdown is a result of panic. Everyone know current markets are reflection of funny money manufactured mostly in US and trickling down into other markets. Multi trillion dollar companies, seriously? Panic is inevitable when your retirement and other savings take a 25% clean shave at minimum.

Then one should stay out from the stock market, and first learn when and why to exit or sq. off the holding position.

The first and foremost rule of thriving in market is to control the greed and keep self ready to give SL if you miss the bus stop to exit.

If you are invested in fundamentally sound sectors, the periodic correction ( which occurs each 3-5 years gap) won't matter much, if index corrects 20%, such equities corrects may be half or less than that even than more volatile ones, rather wait for the market to settle down for a year or so( if you were unable to exit at +) or give SL.
For me, the correction brings chances of adding fresh longs in fundamentally sound sector at good corrected price.

Problem with emerging market like us is, the boom occured post 20 or after covid, and most of the traders, or investors have no idea how to to keep cool at 10% market correction, as they have never witnessed it. Thats why at 2% correction, the panic settles. And, the operators take chance of the panic to make multi billions from the panic-ed ones.

and for US or other ones, its not a secret how fiat currency works... we step /stepped in in the pond knowing that inevitable forthcoming.

 

[Kedar]

Then one should stay out from the stock market, and first learn when and why to exit or sq. off the holding position.

The first and foremost rule of thriving in market is to control the greed and keep self ready to give SL if you miss the bus stop to exit.

If you are invested in fundamentally sound sectors, the periodic correction ( which occurs each 3-5 years gap) won't matter much, if index corrects 20%, such equities corrects may be half or less than that even than more volatile ones, rather wait for the market to settle down for a year or so( if you were unable to exit at +) or give SL.
For me, the correction brings chances of adding fresh longs in fundamentally sound sector at good corrected price.

Problem with emerging market like us is, the boom occured post 20 or after covid, and most of the traders, or investors have no idea how to to keep cool at 10% market correction, as they have never witnessed it.

and for US or other ones, its not a secret how fiat currency works... we step /stepped in in the pond knowing that inevitable forthcoming.

Yes, major impact on markets is from wealth funds of some kind in a very unregulated way. 401k's, soverign funds, mutuals and so on are wreaking havoc and disturbingly risking people's hard earned savings supported by governments. It is hard to be not impacted, there should be no tax saving stock market retirement saving schemes to push people into it. These big movers are the ones that are basically inflating the functional stock market.

I still think this isn't a downtrend that is to stay yet. There is still room for major economies to expand on fiat money. Job market has to get real bad before we see it going that way. Its just starting....but more of a mini sinewave for now

 

[Boiled_AnDa]

Yes, major impact on markets is from wealth funds of some kind in a very unregulated way. 401k's, soverign funds, mutuals and so on are wreaking havoc and disturbingly risking people's hard earned savings supported by governments. It is hard to be not impacted, there should be no tax saving stock market retirement saving schemes to push people into it. These big movers are the ones that are basically inflating the functional stock market.

its well known fact is market is a predetermined fixed show just like vegas casino slot machines.

If you dont know its rigged, you will keep pouring thanking of your luck.

Best tactics-- Ride the wave, don't ever think that you can stir a new wave.

Problem with retailers or small time investors or chickens like us is that we think that overnight our money will get multiplied just like getting lucky strikes in slot m/c, just like gambling.

And THE GREED- le dubta hy... akhirtalak.... thats how 95% ends up giving their 401ks to rest 5%.

Frankly speaking, bond or S-funds are game of blackjack with million $ put. General people just sees the fruit of output ignoring the risk of big shark institution behind in background to rob their 401ks.

One should must know his or her limit and first learn the associated risks at the earliest before stepping in, WHICH WE NEVER DO- and the result is inhabitable.... loss of all investment.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Also stock market isn't a game of mere 10000 to 20000 rs. You need deep pockets to start with.

There was a survey that said most Demat account holders have less than 20 k. These are the people losing money everyday, they put money every month or two so probably wasting lakhs in a year.

 

[Kedar]

its well known fact is market is a predetermined fixed show just like vegas casino slot machines.

If you dont know its rigged, you will keep pouring thanking of your luck.

Best tactics-- Ride the wave, don't ever think that you can stir a new wave.

Problem with retailers or small time investors or chickens like us is that we think that overnight our money will get multiplied just like getting lucky strikes in slot m/c, just like gambling.

And THE GREED- le dubta hy... akhirtalak.... thats how 95% ends up giving their 401ks to rest 5%.

Frankly speaking, bond or S-funds are game of blackjack with million $ put. General people just sees the fruit of output ignoring the risk of big shark institution behind in background to rob their 401ks.

One should must know his or her limit and first learn the associated risks at the earliest before stepping in, WHICH WE NEVER DO- and the result is inhabitable.... loss of all investment.

Well said, avg return is 7% lifetime for a job savings type investor and inflation somewhere in multiples of that. These returns have become more volatile and no sector is safe investment whether its bonds, equities or commodities. They are all in giant bubble. Problem is staying out, from a retail investor one can try to be less greedy but not from 401k types where you have very little control. These are criminal schemes written by bankers bribing the elected.

Most of us are burned by this greed once or many but if you stick to Buffet's discipline then in the long term you come out smiling with decent odds.

 

[Kedar]

Also stock market isn't a game of mere 10000 to 20000 rs. You need deep pockets to start with.

There was a survey that said most Demat account holders have less than 20 k. These are the people losing money everyday, they put money every month or two so probably wasting lakhs in a year.

Money makes money is only true in special circles. People are even leveraging margin to make out....paying interest and taking margin calls and so on but some are lucky and do make it big. Once you get a lucky shot, not letting greed takeover you is the trick.