AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[FalconSlayers]

Another year, another model.

 

[Bleh]

Another year, another model.
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Getting bigger... She'll be adult in another year

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Another year, another model.
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Any changes noticed?

 

[Satish Sharma Ji]

Any changes noticed?

It seems there is an intake on the dorsal side from cooling electronics

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

It seems there is an intake on the dorsal side from cooling electronics

Where exactly? Between the rudders? That was already there.

 

[AbRaj]

Another year, another model.
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We r supapawa now

 

[BON PLAN]

Another year, another model.
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Nice sheme !

 

[Spacemarine]

We r supapawa now

yaa we have 36 Rafales

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Another year, another model.
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why...

 

[Abtron3]

why...
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Looks like a funeral decoration.

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Continuing on this agenda of internal load, 2 days back someone shared PL-15E AAM with folding fins from Zhuai airshow. AFAIK big/heavy missile do have folding fins but a medium missile is yet to be seen with AIM-120 AMRAAM, Meteor, etc. R-77 have folding grid fins.

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Now there is no CAD of Meteor, Astr-3 SFDR with folding fins & i can't use PL-15E to depict in AMCA
So i'm just clipping the fins in SFDR pic. IDK the safety gap spec but this looks like a safe fit, that too w/o staggering.

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And i had already shown that 6 staggered AAMs of short fin version of Astr-2 could easily fit. So if we use folding fin version of it now then total 8 staggered AAMs or 16 SAAW bombs could fit. The ejectors shoud be firm & free from vibrations.

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If this config is considered unsafe then in worst case 6 AAMs or 12 SAAW bombs can fit easily.


Just like 300Km range dual-pulse AGM-88G AARGM-ER can fit in F-35, similarly customised Rudram can be made for AMCA.

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IWB versions of ARMs (Anti Radiation Missiles):
Kh-58UShKE, 650 Kg, 4.2-4.8m long, 380-400 mm diameter, 149 Kg warhead, 250 Km range, Mach 3.6
AGM-88G AARGM-ER, 467 Kg, 13'4/4.06m long, 292mm diameter, 68 Kg warhead, 300 Km range, Mach 2.9
But Rudram-1 cannot fit in AMCA'a IWB.
Rudram-1, 600 Kg, 18'/5.5m long, 340+/-mm diameter, 55 Kg warhead, 150-200 Km range, Mach 2
Rudram-2 & 3 are going to be even bigger.
If DoD makes IWB version of Rudram, it will make AMCA a dangerous SAM hunter.
There were Ramjet version missiles tested earlier but AARGM-ER uses modified solid fuel rocket motor.

 

[Spitfire IX]

It's good to know what others are up to. A brief look at the GCAP 6G project and what the aircraft, likely to be called Tempest. may look like.

A decision on launching the project is scheduled for 2025. If it is decided to proceed with the project, I wonder which will roll off the production line first: AMCA or GCAP. Today AMCA looks more likely to me. 2 years down the line I may see things differently.

First look at UK's £12,000,000,000 next generation combat aircraft programme

The Tempest is set to enter service in 2035.

metro.co.uk

BAE Systems has been building a demonstrator for some time. I believe it is due to fly in 2027.

https://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/product/combat-air-demonstrator

PS It will be hard enough to get the first production aircraft finished in 2035. I don't think that 2035 EIS will be possible.

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1881929788635382120?t=ls9_Bpy_ZLaHPkxC9tCa6Q&s=19

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

It's good to know what others are up to. A brief look at the GCAP 6G project and what the aircraft, likely to be called Tempest. may look like.

A decision on launching the project is scheduled for 2025. If it is decided to proceed with the project, I wonder which will roll off the production line first: AMCA or GCAP. Today AMCA looks more likely to me. 2 years down the line I may see things differently.

First look at UK's £12,000,000,000 next generation combat aircraft programme

The Tempest is set to enter service in 2035.

metro.co.uk

BAE Systems has been building a demonstrator for some time. I believe it is due to fly in 2027.

https://www.baesystems.com/en-uk/product/combat-air-demonstrator

PS It will be hard enough to get the first production aircraft finished in 2035. I don't think that 2035 EIS will be possible.

Please post in Global 6th gen R&D thread.

 

[BON PLAN]

View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1881929788635382120?t=ls9_Bpy_ZLaHPkxC9tCa6Q&s=19

Strange....
I thought low RCS was the alfa and omega.
Seems that Spectra wasn't a bad idea.....

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Strange....
I thought low RCS was the alfa and omega.
Seems that Spectra wasn't a bad idea.....

It is collective effort b/w geometry, RAS, RAM, EW.
So Alpha, Beta, Theta, Gamma, Omega, etc have to work together.

 

[Indianhawk]

Strange....
I thought low RCS was the alfa and omega.
Seems that Spectra wasn't a bad idea.....

1+1 =2 .
Physical stealth+ active measures== even more stealth.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Another year, another model.
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We will get that 3000 Black jets before Iron brothers on West.

 

[BON PLAN]

Can you please explain how active cancellation works?

theorically you send the foe emitter a signal in the opposition phase of the one received, and with the right energy level. The two are cancelling each other.

In practice it is all but not easy.
The electronic treatment have to be fast enough (specially against LPI radars).
You have to know exactly what is your RCS for every direction and for every external load (that explain why anechoic chambers are more and more used, and why it is easier on a bird without external load).

It is all my knowledge.

A 2006 training in Scotland between french Rafale and GB EF2000 was interesting : it seems the french pilots at least one time used a "war mode" of Spectra : the EF pilots saw the Rafale but their radars were unable to catch them.

 

[Spacemarine]

Strange....
I thought low RCS was the alfa and omega.
Seems that Spectra wasn't a bad idea.....

India has its own Spectra equivalent its called Mayavi, but seems like passive stealth will not be able to catch up with latest large land based radars networks, both Spectra and Mayavi got fcked up in domestic exercises