AMCA - Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft

[helin]

Ws 19 developed? Completely?

Already tested on J35

Mass production time is not far away

 

[randombully]

Already tested on J35

Mass production time is not far away

What's the dry thrust?
What's the max thrust? 90kn? 110kn?

 

[JTP]

Keep laughing at your enemy (Chinese) while they outshine you everyday. This is for our jingoistic Indians who cant see the big picture.

 

[NerVik]

Keep laughing at your enemy (Chinese) while they outshine you everyday. This is for our jingoistic Indians who cant see the big picture.

They can't see the picture if you showed it to them for free in iMax.

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

Keep laughing at your enemy (Chinese) while they outshine you everyday. This is for our jingoistic Indians who cant see the big picture.

Hmm isn't every 2 out of 3 message on this forum is about lamenting about appalling situation of Armed Forces. Is it some gotcha like? Enlightenment for us plebs from you?

Everyone with a braincell here knows that our asses gonna be whooped, it's only a matter of when. There is no need of your gyaan here.

 

[Kontakt5]

Apparently F/A-XX won't use adaptive cycle engines either in order to keep the program separate from NGAD and keep costs lower. If F/A-XX is supposedly a 6th generation platform, and the USA, the leader of aerospace science doesn't fit ACE onto it, what exactly defines 6th gen?

I don't think other aerospace programs are on topic with the AMCA thread, AMCA will use 5th generation engines and that will put it on par with the modern aircraft currently in service now. Arguing semantics of what engines may be equipped on future fighters that we know little about is pointless as is.

 

[Azaad]

Keep laughing at your enemy (Chinese) while they outshine you everyday. This is for our jingoistic Indians who cant see the big picture.

Please share with us the tech data sheet of any Chinese Fighter Aircraft or Turbo Fan. I've posed this question across media over the years & I've yet to come across one nor is any displayed on the website of the organizations mfg them or in a forum like the SDF which you won't see even with the Russians which brings me to another important point.

PAF has been flying the JF-17 since 2009 & are about to induct the Block 4 in a few years yet in spite of the Chinese repeatedly offering to fit it with their analogue of the RD-33 / RD-93 (which in itself is a problematic TF ) , the WS-13 , in the previous Blocks , the PAF hasn't consented to it preferring to go in with the Russian TF . Why do you think this is the case ? Reports indicate that the newly constructed WS-19 now powering the FC-31 / J-35 will probably go into the Block 4 . However we've no confirmation regarding it.

Let's come to the J-10 . Up until the late 2010s they were powered by a variant of the Al-31 . The WS-10B has only been recently fitted onto it , as late as 2018 & apparently this is what the J-10 supplied to Paxtan are equipped with .

Long short story we don't know the MTBO or their TTSL of a single Chinese TF or for that matter the tech specs of any of their avionics ,radars , the FAs itself or any other major or minor component / sub component or sub assembly . If you do come across any such data , kindly share it here . I'd love to read about it as I'm sure the dozens of members & guests who frequent this forum.

OTOH you'd come across plenty of articles on cracks found on the JF-17 airframes , repeated grounding of these planes , poor performance standards & complaints regarding it from the countries they were exported to like Myanmar , Nigeria etc. PAF recently retired the Y-8 AEW planes they bought from China around a decade choosing to replace it with the SAAB Erieye.

Does that mean the Chinese are faking it ? Not at all . They've racked up some impressive achievements in this field by throwing money , reverse engineering , espionage , copying , you name it & the results are out there but do remember the old adage - All that glitter isn't gold.

 

[helin]

What's the dry thrust?
What's the max thrust? 90kn? 110kn?

This is said to be the speech of ws19 chief designer Huang Weina at the 2022 China Aviation Propulsion Technology Forum held in Guiyang on December 8 to 9, 2022.

 

[randombully]

Apparently F/A-XX won't use adaptive cycle engines either in order to keep the program separate from NGAD and keep costs lower. If F/A-XX is supposedly a 6th generation platform, and the USA, the leader of aerospace science doesn't fit ACE onto it, what exactly defines 6th gen?

I don't think other aerospace programs are on topic with the AMCA thread, AMCA will use 5th generation engines and that will put it on par with the modern aircraft currently in service now. Arguing semantics of what engines may be equipped on future fighters that we know little about is pointless as is.

Again as I said before
Adaptive cycle engines, are nothing but a power source.
If you can fulfill the power, thrust, range, endurance, speed requirements without using adaptive cycle engine, then you don't need them, the only advantage they will provide in this case will be more efficiency, but at the same more expensive and complex.

 

[randombully]

This is said to be the speech of ws19 chief designer Huang Weina at the 2022 China Aviation Propulsion Technology Forum held in Guiyang on December 8 to 9, 2022.

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Is wsx9 the ws19 engine?
In that case it seems to be in same class as f414, a 4th gen engine in 100kn class.

 

[TopWatcher]

Keep laughing at your enemy (Chinese) while they outshine you everyday. This is for our jingoistic Indians who cant see the big picture.

We are the biggest fool on earth, that we cant even reverse engineer sukoi engine which inhouse manufactured by HAL for so many years. Imagine how much time had, for so many years HAL manufacturing engine but cant do reverse engineer.

2500/- ladli bhen yogna