Chinese Air Force

The SAC airport is at remote area of Shenyang, and very hard to capture, there are only few info from old article.

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PLAAF official weibo account confirm two sixers


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the wreckages of these machines will be littering from Alaska, Kazakhstan and Syria, the 200 million army defeat, an example of human folly, trust in weapons and machines, not in virtue and justice not in love, but in brute force, then the survivors will look at heaven and understand life, the Russians will teach them the way to light.
 
variable cycle turbine engine or Ramjet, still no clue yet.

But the very famouse author about F35, Bill Sweetman, just made a new article.




China’s big new combat aircraft: a technical assessment
China’s aircraft industry celebrated Mao Zedong’s birthday in style, unveiling three aircraft developments that will comprise an air warfare family of systems for the 2030s and beyond. One, from Shenyang, looks like a demonstrator for a fighter-size aircraft with next-generation stealth, possibly carrier-compatible. Also new was an airborne warning and control variant of the Xi’an Y-20 airlifter, the latest in an unparalleled air-surveillance line-up.


The most spectacular debutant, making its maiden flight on December 26 was from Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group: a stealth combat aircraft that various anonymous commenters on the Chinese internet identify as the J-36. It is the largest combat aircraft designed and developed in China, and the second-largest to fly anywhere in 35 years.

The J-36 (if that really is its name) is designed to combine supersonic performance with all-aspect stealth. That’s also the goal of the US Next Generation Air Dominance program, currently stalled by budget and policy issues. (A second article in this series will look at the J-36’s roles.)

There may be more. Anonymous Chinese internet commenters with better records for accuracy than others say that the new arrivals are part of an air warfare ‘tea set’ and that we have not yet seen the ‘teapot’—the long-expected H-20 stealth bomber; this will probably be an analogue to the Northrop Grumman B-21. Nonetheless, the J-36 alone has given observers enough to chew on.

Its revelation followed the pattern as the appearance of the J-20 fighter exactly 14 years earlier. No technical details have been released officially, and it’s unlikely that any will be soon, but a prototype for the design flew in daylight from an airfield in a dense urban area, and the Chinese government permitted images to be released.

The aircraft was chased by a two-seat J-20B, giving a good indication of its size. It’s longer than the J-20—about 23 metres—and its double-delta wing spans an estimated 19 metres, with around 200 square metres of wing area. (The F-22’s wing area is 78 square metres.) As I commented on the Global Combat Aircraft Program’s Tempest design, large, moderately swept deltas can accommodate a lot of fuel and are very useful if the designer is looking for long range.

The tandem-wheel main landing gear units point to a big aircraft, since single wheel, tyre and brake units are inadequate at weights above about 35 tonnes. The main weapon bay, about 7.6 metres long, and supplementary side bays for smaller weapons also suggest considerable size. A 55-tonne take-off weight is a reasonable guess, two-thirds more than the J-20 and compared with an estimated 82 tonnes for the Northrop Grumman B-21.

The J-36 planform unequivocally speaks of stealth and supersonic speed. It is a modified version of the Hopeless Diamond, the first shot by Lockheed’s Skunk Works at all-aspect stealth, which got that name because it could not be made to fly with 1970s technology. Another variation on the planform was tried in 2003 with Northrop Grumman’s X-47A Pegasus unmanned combat aircraft demonstrator, which did fly. Once.

On the J-36, the diamond is stretched into a double-delta to reduce transonic and supersonic drag. It has a leading-edge kink, a change in sweep angle. That’s not ideal from the standpoint of radar cross-section but, as Northrop Grumman’s cranked-arrow designs have shown, it can be lived with. There is an unbroken edge and chine line around the aircraft, and all sensor apertures are inside it (not the case with the J-20 and other fighters). That is the foundation of all-aspect stealth.

There are no vertical tail surfaces and no visible control surfaces other than the wing trailing edges, with five moving panels on each side and one behind each engine; such surfaces are called ‘elevons’. (It’s possible that there are flight-control effectors that we have not yet seen, such as inlaid panels in the upper surface of the wing.) The hinge lines of trailing-edge surfaces appear to be covered by flexible skins. The outer pair of surfaces are split horizontally to form brake-rudders, as on the B-2 and B-21, and were fully open in all pictures of the first flight.

Elevons have reliably provided pitch and roll control since the 1950s, but dispensing with the vertical tail is a challenge, and more so with a supersonic aircraft. The J-36 can rely on its brake-rudders when it is not close to an enemy. But, for stealth in a threat zone, it will need to keep them closed and use both aerodynamic and propulsive effects to keep the pointy end in front—which brings us to another almost unique feature.

J-36 has three engines, side-by-side at the rear of the broad centre-body. F-22-like inlets of caret shape, with swept and canted lips, under the wing leading edge, supply the left and right engines, and the center engine is fed by a diverterless supersonic inlet above the body.

The three engine exhausts are ahead of and above the trailing edge, which comprises what appear to be articulating panels. Full turbofan reheat boost would impose scary thermal and acoustic loads on the trailing edge structure. (The trenches at the rear of the Northrop YF-23 into which its engines exhausted did not endure the environment as well as expected.) This tends to support the idea that the J-36’s engines are either non-afterburning or have limited afterburning used for transonic acceleration.

Some commentators have suggested that the J-36 has three engines because China does not have an engine design large enough to power it in a twin installation. This doesn’t seem likely. Even if your available engines were delivering only two-thirds of the thrust required for a production-size twin-engine aeroplane, you could build an 80 percent linear-scale demonstrator with two-thirds the wetted area, and it would be both easier to develop and more representative of the final configuration.

There has to be a good reason to justify the added complexity. One possibility is that the two outer engines provide enough thrust for subsonic flight, while operating at full thrust and peak efficiency, and the third cuts in for supersonic cruise.


A variation on this theme would be to have a center engine optimized for supersonic flight, which would deliver some of the advantages of a variable-cycle engine without its complexity and risk (I can hear the logisticians screaming, 12,000km away) but in a configuration that could be fitted later with a VCE.

One former combat aircraft designer suggests that the trijet arrangement could be influenced by stability and control considerations, allowing for symmetrical thrust vectoring in pitch with one engine inoperative.

The trailing edge flaps would provide thrust vectoring in pitch when used symmetrically and in roll with the outer engines’ exhaust deflected asymmetrically (while still using the center engine for pitch). It is entirely possible that fluidic control (injecting fan-stream air asymmetrically into the nozzle) could be used in the yaw axis.

Three engines in the thrust class of 22,000 lb (10,000kg or 100-kilonewtons) should be enough to make the J-36 a supercruiser—an aircraft that can fly supersonically without using fuel-guzzling afterburning. Its sweep angles point to doing this at Mach 1.8 to Mach 2.0 (1900km/h to 2200km/h, depending on altitude). The key is not so much achieving enough static thrust but building the engine to withstand the high temperatures at the exit of its compressor. China’s engine technology has been headed in this direction.

Agility? High maneuverability is in opposition to combining supersonic cruise and range—the F-22 being deficient in the latter—because it demands large control forces and high installed thrust (and the weight it brings). Physics are a limitation: the J-36’s trailing-edge controls and thrust-vectoring systems must provide all the control force for the aircraft, unassisted by vertical stabilizers, canards or pitch-recovery devices like the Sukhoi Su-57’s movable leading-edge root extensions.

As for the need for maneuverability by a supersonic stealth aircraft packing a heavy weapon load and long-range sensors, the reader is referred to the classic movie short, Bambi Meets Godzilla.

We will learn more about the J-36 as it follows the pattern of the J-20 through a pre-production and service test phase. There are other puzzles about the design: apparently large electro-optical sensor windows on either side of the nose, and a dark-tinted canopy that wouldn’t be road-legal in many US states. But one thing can be said firmly: those who accuse Chengdu chief engineer Yang Wei
 
the wreckages of these machines will be littering from Alaska, Kazakhstan and Syria, the 200 million army defeat, an example of human folly, trust in weapons and machines, not in virtue and justice not in love, but in brute force, then the survivors will look at heaven and understand life, the Russians will teach them the way to light.

U r still on stage 4.

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"Prophecies by Mother Shipton"
And Christian one fights Christian two
And nations sigh, yet nothing do
And yellow men great power gain
From mighty bear with whom they've lain.
These mighty tyrants will fail to do
They fail to split the world in two.

But from their acts a danger bred
An ague -- leaving many dead.

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worship your weapons.

China will lose, when your spirituality grows you will see that life is more than eat and the sense of life is more than love to the motherland, Chinese materialism worship war machines, but they will lose CCP will lose but as long you are at a low level of spirituality you will not see the sign of times
 
"Prophecies by Mother Shipton"
And Christian one fights Christian two
And nations sigh, yet nothing do
And yellow men great power gain
From mighty bear with whom they've lain.
These mighty tyrants will fail to do
They fail to split the world in two.

But from their acts a danger bred
An ague -- leaving many dead.

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worship your weapons.

China will lose, when your spirituality grows you will see that life is more than eat and the sense of life is more than love to the motherland, Chinese materialism worship war machines, but they will lose CCP will lose but as long you are at a low level of spirituality you will not see the sign of times

nobody worships weapons, just discussions.

U should keep mental stable.

And this defense forum, people here love to talk about weapons

if you claim something else, plz sod off.
 
Really interested to see what this lady looks from the top.
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Really interested to see what this lady looks from the top.
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What is it? Different people are saying different things. Some are saying there are two versions. Some are saying there it is unmanned and manned version will be unveiled later. Some are saying its two engine fighter-size fighter performance loyal wingman for the J-36. Some are saying its manned one and will become the Fighter equivalent for PLAAF for 6th-Generation. The most confusing aspect is the airframe.

It isn't shown any split drag control surface like the J-36 and it is said it has foldable rudders. But recent image shows no such arrangement.
 
What is it? Different people are saying different things. Some are saying there are two versions. Some are saying there it is unmanned and manned version will be unveiled later. Some are saying its two engine fighter-size fighter performance loyal wingman for the J-36. Some are saying its manned one and will become the Fighter equivalent for PLAAF for 6th-Generation. The most confusing aspect is the airframe.

It isn't shown any split drag control surface like the J-36 and it is said it has foldable rudders. But recent image shows no such arrangement.
Yes
• it's definitely not a small loyal wingman type nor a big, J-36 type platform. It should be in line with "fighter"
• a manned plane can definitely have variants that are unmanned loyal wingman. Here's Sukhoi's plan for such with Su-75 Screenshot_2025-01-04-21-49-30-38_6bcd734b3b4b52977458a65c801426b0.webp
• as for 6th gen, we don't even know what differentiates a 6th gen from 5th. So it's hard to tell but yeah, it's 5th gen for sure.
• as for foldable rudders then that speculation comes from a paper
By the way, this is Chinese Christmas/New Year celebration this far
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nobody worships weapons, just discussions.

U should keep mental stable.

And this defense forum, people here love to talk about weapons

if you claim something else, plz sod off.

Uhm seem you forget in Physics there are no reason to think time travel is not possible nor there is no reason to think there are more no dimensions, of course you know the truth, China will lose, the Rise of China was predicted even by Napoleon, of course if you consider time travel as science you can understand there are hidden things we do not know, you will lose, and time will prove it, dream your weapons you worship as the Glory of China will bring to China despair and tragedy, but fools do not see what is obvious to souls that look first for Justice and disregard evilness time will prove.


Let China Sleep, for when she wakes, she will shake the world” so states a quote often attributed to Napoleon Bonaparte.
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Why China Will Reclaim Siberia​


what social studies claim as possible prophets claim will happen or what you think China will be peaceful and do not use those weapons?
Dream your materialism will be proven wrong

China’s six wars in the next 50 years
26 Nov 2013|Geoff Wade
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In a recent post, I introduced a new PRC book entitled ‘China Is Not Afraid — New Threats to National Security and Our Strategic Responses’, (中国不怕——国防安全新威胁与我们的战略应对). I suggested that the volume is part of a larger PLA strategy to invigorate and bolster the morale of domestic constituencies, both military and otherwise, as well as being intended to serve as a warning to any foreign powers which might seek to constrain or restrict China. It’s perhaps worthwhile further extending this analysis to two other PLA-inspired products, one a film and the other a newsagency article, to explore what sort of agenda these works are promoting.

The Chinese film Silent Contest (较量无声) was controversial as soon as it appeared on Chinese and global websites in October. By the end of that month, the film was being deleted from PRC websites without any official pronouncements as to the reasons for its appearance or disappearance. The film is still available in various iterations (video) on YouTube.

The six ‘inevitable’ wars suggested in the article’s title are presented in the chronological order in which they will take place:


  1. The war to unify Taiwan (2020–2025)
  2. The war to recover the various islands of the South China Sea (2025–2030)
  3. The war to recover southern Tibet (2035–2040)
  4. The war to recover Diaoyutai and the Ryukyus (2040–2045)
  5. The war to unify Outer Mongolia (2045–2050)
  6. The war to recover the territory seized by Russia (2055–2060)
Claims to Taiwan have been a part of PRC policy since 1949, and military action has never been ruled out, but a specific timetable for such action has never been suggested. In a remarkable coincidence, the Taiwan military has just announced that the PRC will have the military capacity to take Taiwan by 2020. In terms of a South China Sea war, little imagination is needed to see the current argy-bargy in the region extending into a military conflict. Regarding the third proposed war, China’s claims to the Indian state of Arunachal Pradesh (PDF) have been a thorn in China-India relations for decades, but the extent of Chinese claims over Tibetan cultural areas in the Himalayas remains unspecified.
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Very peaceful China selling weapons to Pakistan yes nice good buddy really nice ally
 
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Observing how these explicit Chinese claims on territories well beyond the borders of present-day China extend back 70 or more years, and in reading some of the hyper-nationalist rhetoric such as the article cited, we might well excuse the populace of the areas subject to these historical claims from feeling quite as threatened and insecure as apparently do some people in the PRC.

Geoff Wade is a visiting fellow at the College of Asia and the Pacific, Australian National University.
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Uhmm why they want weapons? perhaps to be good boy scouts and feed the children loolipops and save the world
 
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Observing how these explicit Chinese claims on territories well beyond the borders of present-day China extend back 70 or more years, and in reading some of the hyper-nationalist rhetoric such as the article cited, we might well excuse the populace of the areas subject to these historical claims from feeling quite as threatened and insecure as apparently do some people in the PRC.

Geoff Wade is a visiting fellow at the College of Asia and the Pacific, Australian National University.
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Uhmm why they want weapons? perhaps to be good boy scouts and feed the children loolipops and save the world

This is weapon related thead, u just picked up some random fragments and built your conspiracy theory...

Find some rite place not here and sod off if you failed to contribute any constructive contents and analysis.
 

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