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Looks like Irani or Pakistani channel. Anyways, whatever generic things he mentioned in video is already known to all. whatever he spoke about J-36 is already being speculated. But he didn't say about internal weapons capacity.
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IDK what is this after 2 6gen flying jets already revealed & how this can be 6gen with variable sweep canards, rudders, Sukhoi like engine intakes & variable-sweep wings, big cross section.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEz9E8KE79Y
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEz9E8KE79Y
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View: https://youtu.be/1IHJowEXzPU?si=p6_Hryy-hBu5PpU0
The Nantianmen Project is an aviation sci-fi IP independently developed by AVIC Global Cultural Communication (Beijing) Co., Ltd. Based on the "ULTRAVIC Universe," the core aim is to establish a global comprehensive strategic defense system composed of large strategic aerospace platforms, aerospace fighters, and tactical mechs. This mainly includes the Xuan Nu unmanned aerospace fighter, the large aerospace strategic platform "Luan Niao," the "Ming Di" sci-fi fighter, and the "Han Guang" general vertical takeoff and landing platform, among others.
In 2018, the "Luan Niao" model was showcased for the first time at the Zhuhai Airshow, along with relevant parameters, marking it as the core equipment for humanity's future deep space combat as envisioned in the "Nantianmen Project." On October 17, 2023, the "Nantianmen Project" brand IP made its debut at the 16th China International Brand Licensing Exhibition. In August 2024, the "Nantianmen Project" was officially launched. As of November 2024, the project has developed 500,000 words of text and nearly 100 design drawings of weaponry and equipment suitable for model display. It has formed a product system covering various fields, including books, animation, film and television, games, research studies, popular science, patriotic education, reality shows, and cultural creative products, and has been showcased at various events such as the Zhuhai Airshow, Changchun Airshow, Zhangjiakou Aerospace Science and Technology Experience Hall, China Children's Center, Shanghai Association for Science and Technology popular science activities, London Book Fair, and Paris International Exposition.
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It will not work, at the end fascist China will lose, in the middle east CCP will be beaten, when they go against Israel, the locusts will be destroyed.
Even if they send 200 million army, the CCP will be defeated
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDOTk5e_Kk4
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I helped you to update your predication based on your comments from the old forum, you're welcome.
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There is a tendency, aircraft from 11000 to 30000kg are usually fighters, around 40000 or more are attack aircraft and their G limits go down.
MiG-31 at at max weight is a 5Gs fighter, at max weight.
Now is speculation but by the landing gear similar to Su-34 and MiG-31 you can expect a very heavy weight aircraft, you can not expect that at 50000kg J-36 will pull 9Gs sorry but structures will not allow it, that aircraft has a low G capability, multiply 45000kg per 9 and you can get an approximation of its G load.
Of course all of these is speculation since no specifications are know, but you can guess a heavy weight.
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Can a Mach 3+ capable fighter jet be developed with current technology? Would a variable cycle turbine engine be required or Ramjet ?
variable cycle turbine engine or Ramjet, still no clue yet.
But the very famouse author about F35, Bill Sweetman, just made a new article.
China’s big new combat aircraft: a technical assessment
China’s big new combat aircraft: a technical assessment | The Strategist
China’s aircraft industry celebrated Mao Zedong’s birthday in style, unveiling three aircraft developments that will comprise an air warfare family of systems for the 2030s and beyond. One, from Shenyang, looks like a demonstrator for ...
The most spectacular debutant, making its maiden flight on December 26 was from Chengdu Aircraft Industry Group: a stealth combat aircraft that various anonymous commenters on the Chinese internet identify as the J-36. It is the largest combat aircraft designed and developed in China, and the second-largest to fly anywhere in 35 years.
The J-36 (if that really is its name) is designed to combine supersonic performance with all-aspect stealth. That’s also the goal of the US Next Generation Air Dominance program, currently stalled by budget and policy issues. (A second article in this series will look at the J-36’s roles.)
There may be more. Anonymous Chinese internet commenters with better records for accuracy than others say that the new arrivals are part of an air warfare ‘tea set’ and that we have not yet seen the ‘teapot’—the long-expected H-20 stealth bomber; this will probably be an analogue to the Northrop Grumman B-21. Nonetheless, the J-36 alone has given observers enough to chew on.
Its revelation followed the pattern as the appearance of the J-20 fighter exactly 14 years earlier. No technical details have been released officially, and it’s unlikely that any will be soon, but a prototype for the design flew in daylight from an airfield in a dense urban area, and the Chinese government permitted images to be released.
The aircraft was chased by a two-seat J-20B, giving a good indication of its size. It’s longer than the J-20—about 23 metres—and its double-delta wing spans an estimated 19 metres, with around 200 square metres of wing area. (The F-22’s wing area is 78 square metres.) As I commented on the Global Combat Aircraft Program’s Tempest design, large, moderately swept deltas can accommodate a lot of fuel and are very useful if the designer is looking for long range.
The tandem-wheel main landing gear units point to a big aircraft, since single wheel, tyre and brake units are inadequate at weights above about 35 tonnes. The main weapon bay, about 7.6 metres long, and supplementary side bays for smaller weapons also suggest considerable size. A 55-tonne take-off weight is a reasonable guess, two-thirds more than the J-20 and compared with an estimated 82 tonnes for the Northrop Grumman B-21.
The J-36 planform unequivocally speaks of stealth and supersonic speed. It is a modified version of the Hopeless Diamond, the first shot by Lockheed’s Skunk Works at all-aspect stealth, which got that name because it could not be made to fly with 1970s technology. Another variation on the planform was tried in 2003 with Northrop Grumman’s X-47A Pegasus unmanned combat aircraft demonstrator, which did fly. Once.
On the J-36, the diamond is stretched into a double-delta to reduce transonic and supersonic drag. It has a leading-edge kink, a change in sweep angle. That’s not ideal from the standpoint of radar cross-section but, as Northrop Grumman’s cranked-arrow designs have shown, it can be lived with. There is an unbroken edge and chine line around the aircraft, and all sensor apertures are inside it (not the case with the J-20 and other fighters). That is the foundation of all-aspect stealth.
There are no vertical tail surfaces and no visible control surfaces other than the wing trailing edges, with five moving panels on each side and one behind each engine; such surfaces are called ‘elevons’. (It’s possible that there are flight-control effectors that we have not yet seen, such as inlaid panels in the upper surface of the wing.) The hinge lines of trailing-edge surfaces appear to be covered by flexible skins. The outer pair of surfaces are split horizontally to form brake-rudders, as on the B-2 and B-21, and were fully open in all pictures of the first flight.
Elevons have reliably provided pitch and roll control since the 1950s, but dispensing with the vertical tail is a challenge, and more so with a supersonic aircraft. The J-36 can rely on its brake-rudders when it is not close to an enemy. But, for stealth in a threat zone, it will need to keep them closed and use both aerodynamic and propulsive effects to keep the pointy end in front—which brings us to another almost unique feature.
J-36 has three engines, side-by-side at the rear of the broad centre-body. F-22-like inlets of caret shape, with swept and canted lips, under the wing leading edge, supply the left and right engines, and the center engine is fed by a diverterless supersonic inlet above the body.
The three engine exhausts are ahead of and above the trailing edge, which comprises what appear to be articulating panels. Full turbofan reheat boost would impose scary thermal and acoustic loads on the trailing edge structure. (The trenches at the rear of the Northrop YF-23 into which its engines exhausted did not endure the environment as well as expected.) This tends to support the idea that the J-36’s engines are either non-afterburning or have limited afterburning used for transonic acceleration.
Some commentators have suggested that the J-36 has three engines because China does not have an engine design large enough to power it in a twin installation. This doesn’t seem likely. Even if your available engines were delivering only two-thirds of the thrust required for a production-size twin-engine aeroplane, you could build an 80 percent linear-scale demonstrator with two-thirds the wetted area, and it would be both easier to develop and more representative of the final configuration.
There has to be a good reason to justify the added complexity. One possibility is that the two outer engines provide enough thrust for subsonic flight, while operating at full thrust and peak efficiency, and the third cuts in for supersonic cruise.
A variation on this theme would be to have a center engine optimized for supersonic flight, which would deliver some of the advantages of a variable-cycle engine without its complexity and risk (I can hear the logisticians screaming, 12,000km away) but in a configuration that could be fitted later with a VCE.
One former combat aircraft designer suggests that the trijet arrangement could be influenced by stability and control considerations, allowing for symmetrical thrust vectoring in pitch with one engine inoperative.
The trailing edge flaps would provide thrust vectoring in pitch when used symmetrically and in roll with the outer engines’ exhaust deflected asymmetrically (while still using the center engine for pitch). It is entirely possible that fluidic control (injecting fan-stream air asymmetrically into the nozzle) could be used in the yaw axis.
Three engines in the thrust class of 22,000 lb (10,000kg or 100-kilonewtons) should be enough to make the J-36 a supercruiser—an aircraft that can fly supersonically without using fuel-guzzling afterburning. Its sweep angles point to doing this at Mach 1.8 to Mach 2.0 (1900km/h to 2200km/h, depending on altitude). The key is not so much achieving enough static thrust but building the engine to withstand the high temperatures at the exit of its compressor. China’s engine technology has been headed in this direction.
Agility? High maneuverability is in opposition to combining supersonic cruise and range—the F-22 being deficient in the latter—because it demands large control forces and high installed thrust (and the weight it brings). Physics are a limitation: the J-36’s trailing-edge controls and thrust-vectoring systems must provide all the control force for the aircraft, unassisted by vertical stabilizers, canards or pitch-recovery devices like the Sukhoi Su-57’s movable leading-edge root extensions.
As for the need for maneuverability by a supersonic stealth aircraft packing a heavy weapon load and long-range sensors, the reader is referred to the classic movie short, Bambi Meets Godzilla.
We will learn more about the J-36 as it follows the pattern of the J-20 through a pre-production and service test phase. There are other puzzles about the design: apparently large electro-optical sensor windows on either side of the nose, and a dark-tinted canopy that wouldn’t be road-legal in many US states. But one thing can be said firmly: those who accuse Chengdu chief engineer Yang Wei
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what does the landing gear says? well a weight of 45000kg-50000kg
It simply means heavier lower G
MiG-31 G limit 5G
Su-34 G limit 7G
No vertical fins no canards what do Delta wings are famous?
Long take offs and at turn bleeding too much speed having low sustained turn rates.
This J-36 is no dog fighter
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Is your Type 76's EMALS strong enough to allow J-35 and the KJ-600 to take off?
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> Is there any working example, not just concept, of stacking missiles vertically?
> For outer bay having 3 PL-15 in parallel, not staggered, if their diameter is 200mm + folding fin width 100mm = 300mm/AAM. So 900mm + 4x50mm gaps = 1,100mm or 1.1m should be IWB width.
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Well WS-10C is some 85kN(Dry)? As for WS-15 Chinese are looking for 100kN(Dry). It seems whatever the J-36, its equivalent NGAD can be achieved if Murica can stack 2xF-135s only at almost 240kN Dry not needing 3-Engines.
Also @rockdog what's the Airframe for the SAC one? Some are saying its Tailless, some are saying its rudder can fold in back to make it tailless to increase Stealth. Which is true? I have never seen any models for SAC one unlike CAC one.
Also @rockdog what's the Airframe for the SAC one? Some are saying its Tailless, some are saying its rudder can fold in back to make it tailless to increase Stealth. Which is true? I have never seen any models for SAC one unlike CAC one.
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The SAC airport is at remote area of Shenyang, and very hard to capture, there are only few info from old article.
Recent CG from local studio
PLAAF official weibo account confirm two sixers
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