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[Azaad]

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I saw the Chinese text, and it was confirmed that the equipment was from a Chinese manufacturer

“宝山”baoshan, the site of China's largest steel mill in Shanghai

There are 2 phases to the project. One was the blast furnace commissioned in 2017 by the said Chinese company & another one last month. As far as those photographs go is there a time stamp on them ?

Assuming they were related to the current project , the Chinese company in question would merely be acting as a supplier , if at all. There's absolutely no evidence either written or photographs or videos suggesting they commissioned the blast furnace last month.

Both you & the Chinese sources you're linking here don't provide evidence that the project the Chinese company claims to have executed is for the blast furnace commissioned last month nor does the client Tata Steel make any mention of a Chinese company or consultancy being involved in the current project.

What the Chinese company is doing is recycling old news for reasons it knows best & you're blindly linking such articles here without verifying facts for your propaganda purposes here.

Please do take note of the entire exchange . @SKC ; @Suryavanshi

 

[helin]

There are 2 phases to the project. One was the blast furnace commissioned in 2017 by the said Chinese company & another one last month. As far as those photographs go is there a time stamp on them ?

Assuming they were related to the current project , the Chinese company in question would merely be acting as a supplier , if at all. There's absolutely no evidence either written or photographs or videos suggesting they commissioned the blast furnace last month.

Both you & the Chinese sources you're linking here don't provide evidence that the project the Chinese company claims to have executed is for the blast furnace commissioned last month nor does the client Tata Steel make any mention of a Chinese company or consultancy being involved in the current project.

What the Chinese company is doing is recycling old news for reasons it knows best & you're blindly linking such articles here without verifying facts for your propaganda purposes here.

Please do take note of the entire exchange . @SKC ; @Suryavanshi

Tata is welcome to refute the rumours

 

[Azaad]

Tata is welcome to refute the rumours

Why should they ? Do you think they're in the business of dispelling rumours you have circulated or are they in the business of making steel ?

 

[helin]

CISDI Awarded Design Contract for TATA No.2 BF, the World’s Largest BF as of Today

CISDI Awarded Design Contract for TATA No.2 BF, the World’s Largest BF as of Today

www.cisdigroup.asia

2015-11-10 11:04:37


Succeeding the Master Plan services for TATA Steel Limited (TSL) KPO Greenfield Plant in May, CISDI was awarded the design contract for TSL KPO’s No.2 blast furnace on Oct. 20, 2015. It signified a major breakthrough of CISDI’s exploration of Indian steel market and an evident proof of CISDI’s ironmaking strength.

The No.2 BF at TSL KPO Greenfield plant will boast the world’s largest designed volume of 5,860m3, becoming the first main process unit reference to be independently completed by CISDI for Indian client. Since early this year, CISDI had seized every opportunity to enhance inputs in key Indian clients; among them, multiple top-level talks had been held between CISDI and TSL, demonstrating the convincing competence in master plan, consulting and engineering design which had been delivered by CISDI to the outside world. During the process of building mutual trusts, CISDI elaborately organized bidding teams to TSL for introducing BF design proposal and responding to client’s requirements and doubts. At last, CISDI was chosen as the BF designing company, surpassing the noted fellow candidates from Britain, S. Korea, Italy and Luxembourg. The 15-month hard efforts won through.

The opportunity of serving TSL, one of India’s steel giants enjoying the longest history and the highest management level, has boosted CISDI’s morale for meeting the challenges by applying the reliable and advanced technologies.

 

[helin]

CISDI Awarded Design Contract for TATA No.2 BF, the World’s Largest BF as of Today

CISDI Awarded Design Contract for TATA No.2 BF, the World’s Largest BF as of Today

www.cisdigroup.asia

CISDI engineer and supply new reaction blocks and latches to TATA Port Talbot Hot Rolling Mill​

At 6:30 on September 8, 2016, the finishing mill bending roll and back-up roll locking devices designed and supplied by the CISDI, were successfully put into service at TATA Steel, Port Talbot in the UK.

Stands F5-F9 roll bending reaction blocks and Stands F5-F11 support roller locking latches of the finishing mill were designed and manufactured by CISDI as part of the project.

The project required the strict implementation international standards, following ITP plans for the whole design and supply cycle.

Equipment delivery was coordinated with a planned site shutdown, allowing the modification to be made without impacting production. The installation and hot test succeeded allowing production to be resumed on schedule, with a close coordination between the customer, the installer and the CISDI team.

TATA had visited the manufacturing workshops in China to witness functional and dynamic testing of the equipment, the manufacturing process, quality control and schedule management, and were very satisfied.

Ultimately, the project equipment design, manufacture, quality control and painting met international standards, with the customer fully satisfied.

 

[helin]

Tata Steel and CISDI will be forming a deeper bond for future Tata projects

www.cisdigroup.com.cn

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Tata Steel and CISDI will be forming a deeper bond for future Tata projects​

Date：2023/10/20 Source: CISDI​

Avneesh Gupta, vice-president of Tata Steel, recently headed to China for a high-powered meeting with the head of CISDI.

Views on the global steel sector, and plans for a deeper co-operation, were discussed by the leaders and executives of both companies - including Xuewen Xiao, chairman of CISDI.

Mr Xiao thanked Tata Steel for its consistent trust and support as CISDI engineers and supplies its Kalinganagar blast furnace 2.

He pledged that his team would be going all-out to enable a smooth startup and ramp-up.

“In response to the new challenges of global steel development and those facing our overseas customers, CISDI has taken the initiative, adjusting its international development strategy and improving its market layout and business systems,” commented Mr Xiao.

“CISDI has achieved great success with its developments for industrial green and low-carbon, intelligent manufacturing and full-process high-efficiency and low-cost solutions.

“With its rich experience and world-leading, innovation-driven tech, CISDI is able to provide solid support for Tata Steel’s new round of transformations.

“Our systematic solutions and core products are always focussed on enhancing an enterprise’s cost competitiveness. TATA’s visit to us signifies our strong existing relationship and our shared desire to commence a new stage of co-operation.”

Expressing his pleasure at meeting again with the CISDI team, Mr Gupta introduced Tata Steel’s Indian and global development plans.

The importance of CISDI’s equipment, product and service contributions were discussed and would play in multiple Tata projects. “Carrying forward our partnership, Tata is expecting CISDI’s new tech and products to play a role in our global business. We will create a new-round of deeper co-operation and partnership,” he said.

CISDI showcased its latest tech and product developments for systematic optimisation, intelligent manufacturing, energy conservation, environmental protection, green low-carbon tech to Gupta’s delegation.

Before departing, the Tata team were shown around CISDI’s research institutes, core equipment manufacturing plants and reference project sites.

Avneesh Gupta and Xuewen Xiao, heads of Tata Steel and CISDI, are pictured at CISDI’s HQ in Chongqing, China

The Tata team visiting CISDI’s research institute in Chongqing

Avneesh Gupta’s delegation is pictured at CISDI’s equipment manufacturing workshop in Chongqing​

 

[rockdog]

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I steel alaohe Chinese text, and it was confirmed that the equipment was from a Chinese manufacturer

“宝山”baoshan, the site of China's largest steel mill in Shanghai

Baoshan is actually the Baowu now, and Tata steel is also in the top ranking, it's quite normal Baoshan provides equipment to Tata.

 

[rockdog]

Tata Steel and CISDI will be forming a deeper bond for future Tata projects

www.cisdigroup.com.cn

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Tata Steel and CISDI will be forming a deeper bond for future Tata projects​

Date：2023/10/20 Source: CISDI​

Avneesh Gupta, vice-president of Tata Steel, recently headed to China for a high-powered meeting with the head of CISDI.

Views on the global steel sector, and plans for a deeper co-operation, were discussed by the leaders and executives of both companies - including Xuewen Xiao, chairman of CISDI.

Mr Xiao thanked Tata Steel for its consistent trust and support as CISDI engineers and supplies its Kalinganagar blast furnace 2.

He pledged that his team would be going all-out to enable a smooth startup and ramp-up.

“In response to the new challenges of global steel development and those facing our overseas customers, CISDI has taken the initiative, adjusting its international development strategy and improving its market layout and business systems,” commented Mr Xiao.

“CISDI has achieved great success with its developments for industrial green and low-carbon, intelligent manufacturing and full-process high-efficiency and low-cost solutions.

“With its rich experience and world-leading, innovation-driven tech, CISDI is able to provide solid support for Tata Steel’s new round of transformations.

“Our systematic solutions and core products are always focussed on enhancing an enterprise’s cost competitiveness. TATA’s visit to us signifies our strong existing relationship and our shared desire to commence a new stage of co-operation.”

Expressing his pleasure at meeting again with the CISDI team, Mr Gupta introduced Tata Steel’s Indian and global development plans.

The importance of CISDI’s equipment, product and service contributions were discussed and would play in multiple Tata projects. “Carrying forward our partnership, Tata is expecting CISDI’s new tech and products to play a role in our global business. We will create a new-round of deeper co-operation and partnership,” he said.

CISDI showcased its latest tech and product developments for systematic optimisation, intelligent manufacturing, energy conservation, environmental protection, green low-carbon tech to Gupta’s delegation.

Before departing, the Tata team were shown around CISDI’s research institutes, core equipment manufacturing plants and reference project sites.

Avneesh Gupta and Xuewen Xiao, heads of Tata Steel and CISDI, are pictured at CISDI’s HQ in Chongqing, China

The Tata team visiting CISDI’s research institute in Chongqing

Avneesh Gupta’s delegation is pictured at CISDI’s equipment manufacturing workshop in Chongqing​

It's confirmed by lots of internal resourced. One account called "国资小新", represents the office governing all monster size enterprises of centeral government owned.

 

[rockdog]

Tata Steel and CISDI will be forming a deeper bond for future Tata projects

www.cisdigroup.com.cn

​

Tata Steel and CISDI will be forming a deeper bond for future Tata projects​

Date：2023/10/20 Source: CISDI​

Avneesh Gupta, vice-president of Tata Steel, recently headed to China for a high-powered meeting with the head of CISDI.

Views on the global steel sector, and plans for a deeper co-operation, were discussed by the leaders and executives of both companies - including Xuewen Xiao, chairman of CISDI.

Mr Xiao thanked Tata Steel for its consistent trust and support as CISDI engineers and supplies its Kalinganagar blast furnace 2.

He pledged that his team would be going all-out to enable a smooth startup and ramp-up.

“In response to the new challenges of global steel development and those facing our overseas customers, CISDI has taken the initiative, adjusting its international development strategy and improving its market layout and business systems,” commented Mr Xiao.

“CISDI has achieved great success with its developments for industrial green and low-carbon, intelligent manufacturing and full-process high-efficiency and low-cost solutions.

“With its rich experience and world-leading, innovation-driven tech, CISDI is able to provide solid support for Tata Steel’s new round of transformations.

“Our systematic solutions and core products are always focussed on enhancing an enterprise’s cost competitiveness. TATA’s visit to us signifies our strong existing relationship and our shared desire to commence a new stage of co-operation.”

Expressing his pleasure at meeting again with the CISDI team, Mr Gupta introduced Tata Steel’s Indian and global development plans.

The importance of CISDI’s equipment, product and service contributions were discussed and would play in multiple Tata projects. “Carrying forward our partnership, Tata is expecting CISDI’s new tech and products to play a role in our global business. We will create a new-round of deeper co-operation and partnership,” he said.

CISDI showcased its latest tech and product developments for systematic optimisation, intelligent manufacturing, energy conservation, environmental protection, green low-carbon tech to Gupta’s delegation.

Before departing, the Tata team were shown around CISDI’s research institutes, core equipment manufacturing plants and reference project sites.

Avneesh Gupta and Xuewen Xiao, heads of Tata Steel and CISDI, are pictured at CISDI’s HQ in Chongqing, China

The Tata team visiting CISDI’s research institute in Chongqing

Avneesh Gupta’s delegation is pictured at CISDI’s equipment manufacturing workshop in Chongqing​

The CISDI website and The Hindu website. The Hindu didn't mention CISDI.

All year of 2024 news.

 

[Azaad]

Tata Steel and CISDI will be forming a deeper bond for future Tata projects

www.cisdigroup.com.cn

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Tata Steel and CISDI will be forming a deeper bond for future Tata projects​

Date：2023/10/20 Source: CISDI​

Avneesh Gupta, vice-president of Tata Steel, recently headed to China for a high-powered meeting with the head of CISDI.

Views on the global steel sector, and plans for a deeper co-operation, were discussed by the leaders and executives of both companies - including Xuewen Xiao, chairman of CISDI.

Mr Xiao thanked Tata Steel for its consistent trust and support as CISDI engineers and supplies its Kalinganagar blast furnace 2.

He pledged that his team would be going all-out to enable a smooth startup and ramp-up.

“In response to the new challenges of global steel development and those facing our overseas customers, CISDI has taken the initiative, adjusting its international development strategy and improving its market layout and business systems,” commented Mr Xiao.

“CISDI has achieved great success with its developments for industrial green and low-carbon, intelligent manufacturing and full-process high-efficiency and low-cost solutions.

“With its rich experience and world-leading, innovation-driven tech, CISDI is able to provide solid support for Tata Steel’s new round of transformations.

“Our systematic solutions and core products are always focussed on enhancing an enterprise’s cost competitiveness. TATA’s visit to us signifies our strong existing relationship and our shared desire to commence a new stage of co-operation.”

Expressing his pleasure at meeting again with the CISDI team, Mr Gupta introduced Tata Steel’s Indian and global development plans.

The importance of CISDI’s equipment, product and service contributions were discussed and would play in multiple Tata projects. “Carrying forward our partnership, Tata is expecting CISDI’s new tech and products to play a role in our global business. We will create a new-round of deeper co-operation and partnership,” he said.

CISDI showcased its latest tech and product developments for systematic optimisation, intelligent manufacturing, energy conservation, environmental protection, green low-carbon tech to Gupta’s delegation.

Before departing, the Tata team were shown around CISDI’s research institutes, core equipment manufacturing plants and reference project sites.

Avneesh Gupta and Xuewen Xiao, heads of Tata Steel and CISDI, are pictured at CISDI’s HQ in Chongqing, China

The Tata team visiting CISDI’s research institute in Chongqing

Avneesh Gupta’s delegation is pictured at CISDI’s equipment manufacturing workshop in Chongqing​

This is what I discovered. That you're partially right. That this particular blast furnace which you're claiming was designed & commissioned by that Chinese company , was actually co designed by a Luxembourg based 150 year old Iron & Steel consultancy & EPC contractor by the name of Paul Wurth.

Tata Steel Kalinganagar steel plant

Tata Steel Kalinganagar steel plant, also known as TSK, is a blast furnace-basic oxygen furnace (BF-BOF) steel plant operating in Kalinganagar, Odisha, India.

www.gem.wiki

Paul Wurth

description here

www.paulwurth.com

Here's a whole series of articles on the same.

Paul Wurth tata steel limited - Google Search

The best part is neither Tata Steel nor the Chinese company or Paul Wurth makes the point clear that this was a JV in terms of design & execution nor does Tata Steel ever mention the contractors involved in the project which I find strange.

Normally it's a practice to acknowledge the contributions of all the agencies involved in this mammoth undertaking.

Blast Furnace Details​

Table 9: Blast Furnace Details​

[TABLE=wikitable]
[TR]

[th]

Unit name​

[/th]​

[th]

Status​

[/th]​

[th]

Announced date​

[/th]​

[th]

Construction date​

[/th]​

[th]

Start date​

[/th]​

[th]

Furnace manufacturer and model​

[/th]​

[th]

Current size​

[/th]​

[th]

Current capacity (ttpa)​

[/th]​

[th]

Decarbonization technology​

[/th]​

[th]

Most recent relining​

[/th]​

[/TR]
[TR]
[td]1[/td][td]operating[23][/td][td]2007-01-01 00:00:00[29][/td][td]2012-01[29][/td][td]2016-02-29[29][/td][td]Larsen & Toubro Limited (L&T); Primetals Technologies; Saint-Gobain (parts) Primetals Technologies Blast Furnace Design[30][29][31][29][/td][td]3633 m³[29][/td][td]3300[26][/td][td]unknown[/td][td]unknown[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]2[/td][td]construction[12][/td][td]2012[15][/td][td]2016[15][/td][td]2024[17][/td][td]CISDI; Paul Wurth CISDI-designed blast furnace; Paul Wurth[27][14][27][14][/td][td]4902 m³[32][27][14][/td][td]3200[27][/td][td]unknown[/td][td]unknown[/td]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

​

 

[helin]

This is what I discovered. That you're partially right. That this particular blast furnace which you're claiming was designed & commissioned by that Chinese company , was actually co designed by a Luxembourg based 150 year old Iron & Steel consultancy & EPC contractor by the name of Paul Wurth.

Tata Steel Kalinganagar steel plant

Tata Steel Kalinganagar steel plant, also known as TSK, is a blast furnace-basic oxygen furnace (BF-BOF) steel plant operating in Kalinganagar, Odisha, India.

www.gem.wiki

Paul Wurth

description here

www.paulwurth.com

Here's a whole series of articles on the same.

Paul Wurth tata steel limited - Google Search

The best part is neither Tata Steel nor the Chinese company or Paul Wurth makes the point clear that this was a JV in terms of design & execution nor does Tata Steel ever mention the contractors involved in the project which I find strange.

Normally it's a practice to acknowledge the contributions of all the agencies involved in this mammoth undertaking.

Blast Furnace Details​

Table 9: Blast Furnace Details​

[TABLE=wikitable]
[TR]

[th]
Unit name

[/th]

[th]
Status

[/th]

[th]
Announced date

[/th]

[th]
Construction date

[/th]

[th]
Start date

[/th]

[th]
Furnace manufacturer and model

[/th]

[th]
Current size

[/th]

[th]
Current capacity (ttpa)

[/th]

[th]
Decarbonization technology

[/th]

[th]
Most recent relining

[/th]​

[/TR]
[TR]
[td]1[/td][td]operating[23][/td][td]2007-01-01 00:00:00[29][/td][td]2012-01[29][/td][td]2016-02-29[29][/td][td]Larsen & Toubro Limited (L&T); Primetals Technologies; Saint-Gobain (parts) Primetals Technologies Blast Furnace Design[30][29][31][29][/td][td]3633 m³[29][/td][td]3300[26][/td][td]unknown[/td][td]unknown[/td]
[/TR]
[TR]
[td]2[/td][td]construction[12][/td][td]2012[15][/td][td]2016[15][/td][td]2024[17][/td][td]CISDI; Paul Wurth CISDI-designed blast furnace; Paul Wurth[27][14][27][14][/td][td]4902 m³[32][27][14][/td][td]3200[27][/td][td]unknown[/td][td]unknown[/td]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]

​

Thank you for sharing,

But I didn't find it in your post about Paul Wurth was involved in the design and construction of Kalinganagar blast furnace 2. The records of,

Wiki sometimes makes mistakes.


Paul Wurth is involved in another blast furnace

Paul Wurth contracted for Jindal blast furnace project in India

Indian steelmaker Jindal Stainless has awarded German plant builder SMS group with the contract to build a new blast furnace at its Kalinganagar unit in…

www.steeltimesint.com

Indian steelmaker Jindal Stainless has awarded German plant builder SMS group with the contract to build a new blast furnace at its Kalinganagar unit in India. The blast furnace will have a production capacity of 2Mt/yr of hot metal and will serve both existing downstream steelmaking facilities, as well as future ones.
The contract for the equipment, to be designated Blast Furnace Number 1, was signed between SMS group company Paul Wurth and Jindal Stainless Limited (JSL) in November 2021. The scope of agreed work includes the blast furnace, hot blast stoves, a dry gas cleaning plant, a pulverized coal injection and an INBA® slag granulation plant, to be supplied on an engineering and procurement basis.

 

[helin]

Based on the evidence so far,



Paul Wurth - Kalinganagar Blast Furnace 1


CISDI--Kalinganagar blast furnace 2.


Please correct me if I'm wrong

 

[Azaad]

Thank you for sharing,

But I didn't find it in your post about Paul Wurth was involved in the design and construction of Kalinganagar blast furnace 2. The records of,

Wiki sometimes makes mistakes.


Paul Wurth is involved in another blast furnace

Paul Wurth contracted for Jindal blast furnace project in India

Indian steelmaker Jindal Stainless has awarded German plant builder SMS group with the contract to build a new blast furnace at its Kalinganagar unit in…

www.steeltimesint.com

Indian steelmaker Jindal Stainless has awarded German plant builder SMS group with the contract to build a new blast furnace at its Kalinganagar unit in India. The blast furnace will have a production capacity of 2Mt/yr of hot metal and will serve both existing downstream steelmaking facilities, as well as future ones.
The contract for the equipment, to be designated Blast Furnace Number 1, was signed between SMS group company Paul Wurth and Jindal Stainless Limited (JSL) in November 2021. The scope of agreed work includes the blast furnace, hot blast stoves, a dry gas cleaning plant, a pulverized coal injection and an INBA® slag granulation plant, to be supplied on an engineering and procurement basis.

Based on the evidence so far,



Paul Wurth - Kalinganagar Blast Furnace 1


CISDI--Kalinganagar blast furnace 2.


Please correct me if I'm wrong

Did you miss this article ? Paul Wurth is an SMS group company .

Paul Wurth

description here

www.paulwurth.com

Here's a whole series of articles detailing Paul Wurth / SMS involvement with Tata Steel over the years .

Paul Wurth tata steel limited - Google Search

 

[helin]

Did you miss this article ? Paul Wurth is an SMS group company .

Paul Wurth

description here

www.paulwurth.com

Here's a whole series of articles detailing Paul Wurth / SMS involvement with Tata Steel over the years .

Paul Wurth tata steel limited - Google Search

I've seen it all,

My conclusion is again:

Paul Wurth - Kalinganagar Blast Furnace 1


CISDI--Kalinganagar blast furnace 2.

 

[helin]

Paul Wurth

description here

www.paulwurth.com

Düsseldorf, June 15, 2023

– SMS group and Tata Steel have signed a memorandum of understanding (MoU) to make arrangements for conducting a joint industrial demonstration of SMS’s innovative EASyMelt technology

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2024.9.26

Kalinganagar blast furnace 2 begins to produce hot metal

--
These are two stories

 

[Azaad]

I've seen it all,

My conclusion is again:

Paul Wurth - Kalinganagar Blast Furnace 1


CISDI--Kalinganagar blast furnace 2.

Yes you're right.

contractors for tata steel kalinganagar blast furnace 2 - Google Search

 

[helin]

Yes you're right.

contractors for tata steel kalinganagar blast furnace 2 - Google Search

OK, close the debate.

Congrats Tata Steel, India has entered the period of economic take-off and needs a lot of steel.

 

[Anants]

Yes you're right.

contractors for tata steel kalinganagar blast furnace 2 - Google Search

Seems like was its Max Dhandhoo here that prevented them sourcing within from HECLtd, L&T or even from within like Tata Sponge?

 

[Azaad]

Seems like was its Max Dhandhoo here that prevented them sourcing within from HECLtd, L&T or even from within like Tata Sponge?

This is long term problem which CCP to its credit recognised & started addressing early this century itself which is apart from mfg consumables there has to be an attempt at mfg those machines mfg those consumables.

Hence apart from inaugurating all those thousands of KM's of HSR , the need to build them in house. It's the same story with steel mfg equipment . To their credit they've also kept up with the times by upgrading themselves.

Of course CCP subsidies come in handy as well . In fact I'd argue without massive CCP intervention they'd only be restricted to production of consumables.

Our record here is patchy. In some areas like SMC we have a plan & are proceeding on course. In others like railways whatever the idea the implementation is haphazard. In some others like Steel either we lack the technology or we haven't upgraded ourselves to reach state of the art standards.

A good example is L&T which was the implementation partner for Paul Wurth / SMS. They have the expertise to implement the project but lack the expertise to develop that technology in house.

I think we need a Niti Aayog kind of set up to look into import substitution from China across the board & come up with policies accordingly which GoI then should be implementing in concord with industry & academia.

This would cover the entire gamut from toys & knick knacks at one of the spectrum to steel mfg equipment , HSR systems , EV & battery chemistry & other sophisticated systems at the other end & everything in the middle. GoI can come up with PLI & other such subsidies .

However we must realise that given practically all enterprises in China are SOE's ( after CCP purged people like Jack Ma , there's no such thing as the private sector there any longer ) hence the level of state support they'd get is something we'd be unable to match.

With that in mind we must proceed to avoid replication of such events in future for there will be more steel plants which'd come up in future as well as modernization / upgradation of existing ones if we've to reach 10 trillion USD GDP in the next 10-12 years & go beyond that .

 

[Anants]

This is long term problem which CCP to its credit recognised & started addressing early this century itself which is apart from mfg consumables there has to be an attempt at mfg those machines mfg those consumables.

Hence apart from inaugurating all those thousands of KM's of HSR , the need to build them in house. It's the same story with steel mfg equipment . To their credit they've also kept up with the times by upgrading themselves.

Of course CCP subsidies come in handy as well . In fact I'd argue without massive CCP intervention they'd only be restricted to production of consumables.

Our record here is patchy. In some areas like SMC we have a plan & are proceeding on course. In others like railways whatever the idea the implementation is haphazard. In some others like Steel either we lack the technology or we haven't upgraded ourselves to reach state of the art standards.

A good example is L&T which was the implementation partner for Paul Wurth / SMS. They have the expertise to implement the project but lack the expertise to develop that technology in house.

I think we need a Niti Aayog kind of set up to look into import substitution from China across the board & come up with policies accordingly which GoI then should be implementing in concord with industry & academia.

This would cover the entire gamut from toys & knick knacks at one of the spectrum to steel mfg equipment , HSR systems , EV & battery chemistry & other sophisticated systems at the other end & everything in the middle. GoI can come up with PLI & other such subsidies .

However we must realise that given practically all enterprises in China are SOE's ( after CCP purged people like Jack Ma , there's no such thing as the private sector there any longer ) hence the level of state support they'd get is something we'd be unable to match.

With that in mind we must proceed to avoid replication of such events in future for there will be more steel plants which'd come up in future as well as modernization / upgradation of existing ones if we've to reach 10 trillion USD GDP in the next 10-12 years & go beyond that .

I guess - abundant Chinese Materials available in market - makes giants like Tata and L&T shirk away in investing in such stuff. Making Investment in such Manufacturing makes sense if there are sustained periodic orders. I understand its not Pizza order and I dont expect sales like that.. but what I am saying viable no of orders which justifies in setting up such expertise.. and that too in a political environment - where a next non BJP Govt or SC order or Environment Ayatollahs halt even existing plants..