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[srev2004]

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[Hanubhisma]

No, IAF used dummy drones with the same radar signature as IAF jets. Pakistan thought it hit these and claimed IAF losses. India Air Marshal recently clarified, no jets were lost.

IAF used Pilotless Target Aircrafts to Mimic Su-30 and Mig-29 fighter jets to lure Pakistani Air Defence – Indian Defence Research Wing

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And that's why the IAF Marshal was not keen on revealing to the world during that conference that no IAF planes were lost because IAF wanted PAF to continue to believe that it had shot down plenty of IAF planes and continue to expend expensive missiles on worthless targets.

 

[E-195]

There are many versions of descriptions about this air battle

The important thing is which one you believe

not what you believe, it is the evidence, but there is no evidence for 3 Rafales, not even 1 Su-30MKI, show the evidence then claim.


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[rockdog]

not what you believe, it is the evidence, but there is no evidence for 3 Rafales, not even 1 Su-30MKI, show the evidence then claim.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDH8fpJMB0A

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No need quick conclusion, it's still controversial, most mainstream western media reported like this:

How Did India Lose a Rafale Jet Against Pakistan?​

How Did India Lose a Rafale Jet Against Pakistan?

As impressive as the Rafale’s maneuverability is, maneuverability doesn’t count for much in the BVR (beyond-visual-range) dogfighting conditions that comprised the dogfight between India and Pakistan.

nationalinterest.org

China’s PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Appears To Have Been Used In Combat For The First Time​

China’s PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Appears To Have Been Used In Combat For The First Time

The apparent use of China's PL-15 by Pakistan in the recent eruption of hostilities with India comes as Rafale shoot-down claims swirl. A French intelligence official has reportedly confirmed the combat loss of an Indian Air Force Rafale taking part in recent strikes.

www.twz.com

Chinese weapons pass combat test in India-Pakistan clash – with flying colours​

Chinese weapons pass combat test in India-Pakistan clash – with flying colours

The recent military engagement over Kashmir by South Asia’s arch enemies saw India deploy its French and US weapons against Pakistan’s new range of sophisticated Chinese arms. In its first battlefield…

www.france24.com

 

[srev2004]

No need quick conclusion, it's still controversial, most mainstream western media reported like this:

How Did India Lose a Rafale Jet Against Pakistan?​

How Did India Lose a Rafale Jet Against Pakistan?

As impressive as the Rafale’s maneuverability is, maneuverability doesn’t count for much in the BVR (beyond-visual-range) dogfighting conditions that comprised the dogfight between India and Pakistan.

nationalinterest.org

China’s PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Appears To Have Been Used In Combat For The First Time​

China’s PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Appears To Have Been Used In Combat For The First Time

The apparent use of China's PL-15 by Pakistan in the recent eruption of hostilities with India comes as Rafale shoot-down claims swirl. A French intelligence official has reportedly confirmed the combat loss of an Indian Air Force Rafale taking part in recent strikes.

www.twz.com

Chinese weapons pass combat test in India-Pakistan clash – with flying colours​

Chinese weapons pass combat test in India-Pakistan clash – with flying colours

The recent military engagement over Kashmir by South Asia’s arch enemies saw India deploy its French and US weapons against Pakistan’s new range of sophisticated Chinese arms. In its first battlefield…

www.france24.com

Where is rhe proof? Do you have any proof?

 

[srev2004]

Indian proof is satellite imagery and damage on the ground.

 

[helin]

not what you believe, it is the evidence, but there is no evidence for 3 Rafales, not even 1 Su-30MKI, show the evidence then claim.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jDH8fpJMB0A

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So do you believe that Indian fighter jets have been shot down?

 

[helin]

No need quick conclusion, it's still controversial, most mainstream western media reported like this:

How Did India Lose a Rafale Jet Against Pakistan?​

How Did India Lose a Rafale Jet Against Pakistan?

As impressive as the Rafale’s maneuverability is, maneuverability doesn’t count for much in the BVR (beyond-visual-range) dogfighting conditions that comprised the dogfight between India and Pakistan.

nationalinterest.org

China’s PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Appears To Have Been Used In Combat For The First Time​

China’s PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Appears To Have Been Used In Combat For The First Time

The apparent use of China's PL-15 by Pakistan in the recent eruption of hostilities with India comes as Rafale shoot-down claims swirl. A French intelligence official has reportedly confirmed the combat loss of an Indian Air Force Rafale taking part in recent strikes.

www.twz.com

Chinese weapons pass combat test in India-Pakistan clash – with flying colours​

Chinese weapons pass combat test in India-Pakistan clash – with flying colours

The recent military engagement over Kashmir by South Asia’s arch enemies saw India deploy its French and US weapons against Pakistan’s new range of sophisticated Chinese arms. In its first battlefield…

www.france24.com

There have been countless discussions on this topic on media forums and the Internet.

This thread is not a suitable place to discuss evidence.

In short, what matters is which one you believe in

 

[E-195]

So do you believe that Indian fighter jets have been shot down?

There is no evidence of 3 Rafales, in fact they show a Mirage 2000 external fuel tank.
At the most and I say only so far if it is ever corroborated by several sources a single Rafale was shot down, if ever was shot down.

In war loses are normal, it will not be the end of the world nor it will mean J-10 is the best fighter or superior.

There is satellite evidence Indian missiles hit Pakistan, and the Chinese anti-aircraft system did not stop them.

You are very similar to the Japanese in WWII.

Aircraft loses do not mean victory, it is the political results what matter.

 

[E-195]

No need quick conclusion, it's still controversial, most mainstream western media reported like this:

How Did India Lose a Rafale Jet Against Pakistan?​

How Did India Lose a Rafale Jet Against Pakistan?

As impressive as the Rafale’s maneuverability is, maneuverability doesn’t count for much in the BVR (beyond-visual-range) dogfighting conditions that comprised the dogfight between India and Pakistan.

nationalinterest.org

China’s PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Appears To Have Been Used In Combat For The First Time​

China’s PL-15 Air-To-Air Missile Appears To Have Been Used In Combat For The First Time

The apparent use of China's PL-15 by Pakistan in the recent eruption of hostilities with India comes as Rafale shoot-down claims swirl. A French intelligence official has reportedly confirmed the combat loss of an Indian Air Force Rafale taking part in recent strikes.

www.twz.com

Chinese weapons pass combat test in India-Pakistan clash – with flying colours​

Chinese weapons pass combat test in India-Pakistan clash – with flying colours

The recent military engagement over Kashmir by South Asia’s arch enemies saw India deploy its French and US weapons against Pakistan’s new range of sophisticated Chinese arms. In its first battlefield…

www.france24.com

Most of those links are propaganda.
Many PL-15 fell on the ground which shows they were not effective, there is evidence in satellite photos the Indian missiles hit Pakistani air bases.


In all wars you can expect loses, what matters is the political results.

It will take time to show the results but the only thing I believe it is possible a single Rafale was hit, but I am sure Pakistan lost several aircraft in their air bases, and the Chinese SAMs did not work

 

[helin]

There is no evidence of 3 Rafales, in fact they show a Mirage 2000 external fuel tank.
At the most and I say only so far if it is ever corroborated by several sources a single Rafale was shot down, if ever was shot down.

In war loses are normal, it will not be the end of the world nor it will mean J-10 is the best fighter or superior.

There is satellite evidence Indian missiles hit Pakistan, and the Chinese anti-aircraft system did not stop them.

You are very similar to the Japanese in WWII.

Aircraft loses do not mean victory, it is the political results what matter.

If you believe that a rafale was shot down,

That means you have different opinions from most members of the forum

 

[E-195]

If you believe that a rafale was shot down,

That means you have different opinions from most members of the forum

I do not believe since wars are normal to have loses, a single Rafale does not mean a thing, the Americans lost F-15s and F-14s in 1991 and won the war.

A MiG-25 downed a F-18, wars are propaganda in many ways but evidence of 3 Rafales does not exist, at the most a single one, and that does not mean J-10 to be superior, since tactics even the possibility the aircraft was not even shot down but had an accident, get it a lot of what you say is propaganda, the Rafale pieces if they are real could be also an accident, India later will later keep a account, sooner or later the truth will be know, but 3 Rafales never were shot down that is not true

 

[rockdog]

I do not believe since wars are normal to have loses, a single Rafale does not mean a thing, the Americans lost F-15s and F-14s in 1991 and won the war.

A MiG-25 downed a F-18, wars are propaganda in many ways but evidence of 3 Rafales does not exist, at the most a single one, and that does not mean J-10 to be superior, since tactics even the possibility the aircraft was not even shot down but had an accident, get it a lot of what you say is propaganda, the Rafale pieces if they are real could be also an accident, India later will later keep a account, sooner or later the truth will be know, but 3 Rafales never were shot down that is not true

If you are mentally stable, you should remember many of your claims:

1. Production of J20 will be limited 40
2. EV of China sales will down world wide
3. Export of China will down ...

All were proven wrong. So why people should cares your words?

 

[rockdog]

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