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Cycle rikshaws or e rikshaws ?
Cycle rickshaw in Delhi and Kolkata and hand pulled rickshaw in Kolkata.
It's been few years since I've seen manual rikshaws in tier2 city Jabalpur. It's pathetic if Delhi still has it.
Same. I've been to several tier 2 cities in the last few months (across several states) and never seen a manual rickshaw. Only in the big "metro" cities like Kolkata and Delhi (which are actual shitholes) will you find these things.

Need to bulldoze the entirety of these cities and redevelop in a planned way.
 
It's not just the narrow lanes and the wires, there's a distinct lack of greenery in these places which leads to more dust.

The below pic has narrow lanes and wires too but looks a lot better. This below pic is from a street very close to my old home. Our street was much better and a lot wider but I won't post it for privacy reasons.

Also, this below pic is from April 2023 i.e peak summer and it still looks good. No dust with noticeable greenery in peak Summer. It'd look much better in monsoon.

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After buying 800 sq ft of land Delhiwalas can only think about building a shack in that very 800 sq feet without any space in between the plot and built area. They will stretch it to four storey and give the ground one as shop stay themselves on the first and rest the above two will be given of as rent to upsc aspirant for exorbitant prices.

Any random steet of Tirupati will have more space and greenery than delhi.

33 million in an area of 1600 sq km is a recipie for disaster.

Any further construction should be banned if a city crosses 1.5 million people per 100 sq km.
 
I will still say NCR is a mistake and a blunder in the making.

We keep adding satellite city to already exiting cities.

This will only result in a overgrown urban jungle bigger than Tokyo and livability of a African town.


The Indian gormint has failed to develop a city on its own merit.

DFC is the last chance for Rajasthan.

Build and redevelope the existing city along the DFC corridors.

Some 5 cities with 3+ million population would do the trick for Rajasthan.

Decentralization of urbanization is a must.
 
huh , I dont think so?
It does
Around Patna Uni.
Now mostly replaced by toto but those who can't afford it are still working with manual rickshaw.

Mah dude Patna is an Africa tier city. Every single bad aspect exists in it.
 
Mah dude Patna is an Africa tier city. Every single bad aspect exists in it.
uhh I mean some parts of it are nice (liveable), rest is absolute filth (had to go to the other side of the bypass road once, neveragain)
 
uhh I mean some parts of it are nice (liveable), rest is absolute filth (had to go to the other side of the bypass road once, neveragain)
Except patliputra and Dr colony no area seems livable
 
It does
Around Patna Uni.
Now mostly replaced by toto but those who can't afford it are still working with manual rickshaw.

Mah dude Patna is an Africa tier city. Every single bad aspect exists in it.
probably only thing i liked in bihar , there are way more e-rickshaws than any major cities. CNGs are rare.

75% of Delhi looks like this and 90% of Delhi lives in street like this.
tier 2 cities or new major cities are our future , overpopulation has fked up all tier 1 cities. tier 2 and tier 3 cities look heaven in front of them anyday.
 
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75% of Delhi looks like this and 90% of Delhi lives in street like this.

What picture do we want to show to people?

Narrow lanes only accessible through bikes of small vehicles.
Coweb of electrical wires.
Building with hardly any spacing.
None existent drainage system.

When 90% live like this than the high chance is 90% will live like this even in future.

Can the gormint reconstruct cities? No.
India is going to look like a mess even 50 years in the future, we will have the money but the city will still look like a dump.

i think once India has money, only then will india's urban architecture change.
Because there are only two known methods employed in the world to 'update' a old medieval city into a modern city (within reason, you aint making paris into a grid negtwork city but you can and they have widened the roads and shit over time) :

a) Soviet method : demolish the buildings you need to widen your road and kill anyone who protests
b) Euro method : demolish the buildings you need to widen your road and buy off anyone who protests.

We do not have social psychosis to implement option a) and we are not rich enough to implement option b).
 
probably only thing i liked in bihar , there are way more e-rickshaws than any major cities. CNGs are rare.


tier 2 cities or new major cities are our future , overpopulation has fked up all tier 1 cities. tier 2 and tier 3 cities look heaven in front of them anyday.
I love tier 2 cities. Much better than tier 1 shitholes.
Atleast there is no over crowd. Ease of life. Affordable.
My 2 cents.
a descent developed district and prefer one of its taluka close to District city. I best place to live for common ppl in india. Unless u aren't richy rich.
Just my observation
 
What's the secret to the bihari chads' success,even the "chad sulloids" can't compete?

View: https://x.com/HPhobiaWatch/status/1838497600061768187
(Off topic,but isn't Wani[referring to the quoted poster] a kashmiri pandit surname? Just think about how much generational brainwashing have these converts of the entire subcontinent must have gone through to become so hateful to their original faith and heritage? It's extremely tragic imo)
 
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75% of Delhi looks like this and 90% of Delhi lives in street like this.

What picture do we want to show to people?

Narrow lanes only accessible through bikes of small vehicles.
Coweb of electrical wires.
Building with hardly any spacing.
None existent drainage system.

When 90% live like this than the high chance is 90% will live like this even in future.

Can the gormint reconstruct cities? No.
India is going to look like a mess even 50 years in the future, we will have the money but the city will still look like a dump.


Old Delhi -- An Absolute dog tier shithole.
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New Delhi -- An socialist style planned city with random shitholes present in between.

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Gurugram, Faridabad -- Cities thrown under NCR so State governments will not do Jackshit for any maintenance.

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Implemented an Planned City with proper griding. But forgot to touch an Village which looks like Large size Amoeba. A lot of new so called Planned city basically ignoring the Villages it is gobbling up. Just let the Village be as it is.

Need an redevelopment of Villages also when building the planned city.

Noida - Entire UP Economy.



The big problem with us.

We are ready to build state of art buildings, parks, stadiums, roads, Rail Stations, Airports. But we forgot all of these things need something called maintenance which unfortunately we forgot
 
Yes Dr Deep, I often talk about Punjab and Bengal in same breath. Check my posts here or DFI. Both states were forefront in Indian Armed revolution, both states bore maximum partition brunt, both states started good and both states got choked by own hubris. Strange isnt it. Bengal may still rise because of resources, coastline. Punjab to rise it has only own people's entrepreneurial and hard working spirit(now litreally lost or moved on) to rely on.
People dont realize big names like Hero, DCM, OSWAL,Mahindra, Swaraj, Sonalika Escorts,Oberai, FabIndia etc have their or their founder roots in Punjab.
It sucks that Pakistan succeeded in dudding Punjab engine of growth.
IT industry actually approached for setting up in early years - but politicos of that era were only interested in manufacturing industry did not teally understand IT.

This can happen to any state if they dont check regionalism or bigotry or politics. Let other states learn from our failure and they dont repeat same mistakes so that they can enjoy growth and continue india growth story.
Even Mahindra and Mahindra also had roots in Punjab.. The militancy in Punjab really stunt its growth..and people stopped being ambitious about their state. The leaders only do subsidy subsidy to the rich farmers while majority of the youth are busy going to the west by hook or crook just to do some menial work. Pakistan and its nefarious Khalistan movement has done a huge psychic damage to the people of Punjab. Used the emotions of Sikhs to stir up secessionism against the Indian Union..and distance them further from the mainstream India even they (Pakjabis secretly hate the Sikhs and wont allow them on their own Punjab). On Bengal side..even though both India-Bangladesh are not state enemies..common Hindu Bengalis ( except the Commie Kolkata Makus) detest the Jihadi Raqibools and want them to be gone..but both Mamta and CG are not serious about it. The change in govt in BD is a blessing in disguise as now the Govt will no longer take the illegal migration lightly and start deporting them (hopefully)
 
Under Reagen Khali fires were 🔥 in Punjab. US has been diabolical. Remember Cray X were denied to us during that era. Until CDAc developed Param - they were not offered to us. US played running with hares and hound games. Remember that era all tango activities in India were not recognized by US camp and were termed Indian law and order problem regularly. That was the time when they armed Pak to teeth and singing Kumbaya with China in big way. So do you think they would doling out on India when we were still with Soviet union
Yes I am fully aware of the issues in the 80s under Reagan.. but India also supported Soviets on its invasion of Afghanistan in the UN etc. Hence the anti-Indianess, but compared to 70s where things went complete down south post 71 war as well as 75 Nuclear test..it was getting better not the way we expect but nonetheless. Yes American Establishment post Eisenhower and Kennedy was completely lost to the NeoLib/Con group who saw things through a hegemonic lens as well as 'either you are with us or against' and never liked India's neutral stance. This is now biting them back since its no longer America No 1 or the sole power. But there are other stakeholders too. The establishment both Dems and Rep are becoming unpopular by its own people..but these old farts are tone deaf and wont step down.
 
I personally don't think this government will encourage much investments in Punjab & WB partially due to fact that these states favour the opposition parties but mostly due to the fact that the political situation in these states are volatile. To this list & scenario I'd also include Chandigarh.

I mean if you get foreign investment there & things go bad it'd have an enormous impact on future investments in India & I'm referring to regular run of the mill investments not the kind of strategic sectors like what the SMC eco system is all about.

Those will mostly be concentrated in the west & south for obvious reasons , with a couple of projects up in the north or east like the ATMP plant coming up in Assam. Nothing more than that .
Chandigarh was always in BJP kitty, kher was not good choice yet people voted on modi. Bjo took chd for granted. Chd is full of himachalus, uttarakhandis, jammuites haryanvis apart from punjabi (sikh and hindu). Developing tricity periphery. will uplift western haryana, southern himachal and easteren punjab. If tbey wanted to skirt punjab they could have de eloped panchkula who voted bjp to power twice. But BJP literally ignored north west. The major investment push was in kashmir par of jammu and kashmir. CHD anway came under central govt - doesnt really matter much who is mp or which party has municipal. Powerful sectors in northern part come under Central govt rule anyway via administrators

Even this time bjp lost by margin of just 2000 votes that too periphery which anyway is fastly becoming demographic nightmare. People has started banning greenies poorvis from settling in villages around chd.

Thing can go south in any state, you already have parallel army strength displayed time to time by certain communities or parties. Its earily similar to how Sikhs started strength show prior to sikh sooba. But control of central govt and state what really matters.
 
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Cheap Mentality doesn't take us anywhere. Unless Gormint imposes extorbitant amount of taxes on imported machinery these people won't strive. Usually this field is very R&D and capital intensive. It needs continuous improvements. In addition to generic profits, Jyothi and such Indigenous ones especially need more money to be spent on R&D to catch up to established players. Otherwise they would just be selling same products and eventually fade into oblivion. Gareeb mindset desi companies would rather import machines form Cheen who does salami slicing than support a indigenous product.
Well the Gormint can propose PLI kind of scheme where Manufacturer are encouraged to use such Desi Machines instead of imported ones for their manufacturing operations thereby creating a demand for such machines in domestic markets. Its not about Gareeb Desi mindset..it about options to buy the best for the buck. Even Americans do that...Cheen products are hugely subsidized by their CCP Gormint which creates unfair advantage to them.. I think Indian Gormint is very much into about not giving any market space to Cheeni companies..and looking for oppurtunities to ban them. It wont happen overnight but will take time. Well big MNC companies in India are already buying from such CNC Manufacturers as shown in their website, I am talking about SMME Factores..which often shy away from upgrades due to hostile tax policies which wont let them scale up or they loose their tax benefits as well as lack/access to bank credits/loans to do such purchases. Just like computeratization, Industrial modernization with such machines is important if we want to have an actual Industrial Revolution as well increase our Industrial thoughput
 
Yes I am fully aware of the issues in the 80s under Reagan.. but India also supported Soviets on its invasion of Afghanistan in the UN etc. Hence the anti-Indianess, but compared to 70s where things went complete down south post 71 war as well as 75 Nuclear test..it was getting better not the way we expect but nonetheless. Yes American Establishment post Eisenhower and Kennedy was completely lost to the NeoLib/Con group who saw things through a hegemonic lens as well as 'either you are with us or against' and never liked India's neutral stance. This is now biting them back since its no longer America No 1 or the sole power. But there are other stakeholders too. The establishment both Dems and Rep are becoming unpopular by its own people..but these old farts are tone deaf and wont step down.
All agreed. Except support to afganistan was quid pro return favor for support india got from ussr in thwarting us fleet in 71.
 
Chandigarh was always in BJP kitty, kher was not good choice yet people voted on modi. Bjo took chd for granted. Chd is full of himachalus, uttarakhandis, jammuites haryanvis apart from punjabi (sikh and hindu). Developing tricity periphery. will uplift western haryana, southern himachal and easteren punjab. If tbey wanted to skirt punjab they could have de eloped panchkula who voted bjp to power twice. But BJP literally ignored north west. The major investment push was in kashmir par of jammu and kashmir. CHD anway came under central govt - doesnt really matter much who is mp or which party has municipal. Powerful sectors in northern part come under Central govt rule anyway via administrators
But the very fact this government isn't even developing Chandigarh is proof of the fact that they're not interested in that belt at all. What you've written above is supporting my post unwittingly.

As far as Haryana goes the only regions of Haryana which'd register government sponsored development are those areas under the NCR.

Even this time bjp lost by margin of just 2000 votes that too periphery which anyway is fastly becoming demographic nightmare. People has started banning greenies poorvis from settling in villages around chd.
With the huge drop in TFR all these measures are temporary at best . The Muslims in Punjab are already near 7% if I'm not mistaken where till the 2000s they were below 5% & these Khalistani xhutias are busy renovating mosques abandoned during partition for them .

While they're openly hostile to Hindu migrants from UP , greens from the very same place get welcomed. That's how perverse things have become there . You go to Twitter & you'd see these events being highlighted by khalikhopdis with sickening regularity.

Thing can go south in any state, you already have parallel army strength displayed time to time by certain communities or parties. Its earily similar to how Sikhs started strength show prior to sikh sooba. But control of central govt and state what really matters.
That's where I disagree with you . The Punjabi Subha movement was a religio political movement masquerading as a linguistic movement to get a state where they would be the majority .

The Hindus there knew it from the very beginning which is the reason they never supported it something JuttSikhi never forgave them for till date . Nehru understood it too which is the reason he was never in favour of linguistic states & even when he conceded that demand he was opposed to the Punjabi Suba movement. Things changed when IG came to power .

Eventually after the initial hubris courtesy the green revolution & of course the achievement of a Punjabi / Sikh Suba evaporated what came out of it ? Agricultural prosperity is usually the stepping stone to the next phase of development which is industrialization. Here too Punjab had a start with all those names you've named earlier. But it couldn't make the leap . Here I would blame the political leadership the religious leadership & the local elites.

Terrorism died out in Punjab in the mid 90s . It's been 30 years now yet Punjab has just sunk economically irrespective whoever is in power.

The Dravidian movement is in stark contrast to the Sikh movement masquerading as the Punjabi Suba movement. It was actually a shrewd ploy by non Tamils to seize power by demonizing the Brahmins portraying them as outsiders while being outsiders themselves displacing them from the heirarchy of power & distributing largesse among the rest ensuring no native Tamil comes to power while maintaining their own stranglehold over power.

It's a remarkably successful experiment . Till date it's the only state where immigrants whether 1st 2nd or 4th generation have been in power till very recently. Check out the list of their CMs Kamraj onwards till EPS. They're all immigrants including Stalin.

However this socio cultural movement did bring enormous material benefits right down to the common man in ways the Punjab political class couldn't . Irrespective of whichever Dravidian party was in power they uplifted the economy through various measures benefiting the common man .

There's been massive corruption too but never at the cost of development. CBN is the only other leader who comes to mind to have emulated these Dravidian party's economic outlook without emulating their politics . KCR has a mixed record. The father son duo ought to be publicly lynched if the former was alive. Karnataka has done well in spite of its politicians . Gerala was done for by its politicians especially the Sakkhavus.

Now contrast this to the corrosive political environment in WB & how the Qaumrades destroyed one of the most important metropolises of India & the entire industrial ecosystem centred around it. The blow has been so devastating that you can forget any revival for the next 30 years even if the TMC is thrown out of power tomorrow.
 

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