CI/CT Operations

[Vinash]

What is this BS of not going to Kashmir! Should we leave our claims on our own lands??

I will go every part of land which was part of Bharat once. We lost Land in West and East both this way in past and does not want to lose another part now.​

We shouldn't give them tourist money until we fix the problem by altering demographics or completely cleansing them.

Obviously, that land is ours and ours alone and all mullas are illegal occupiers.

 

[Decahex]

India is a country of 1.4 billion.
India is i believe the 3rd or 4th biggest chemical industry producer on planet earth.

Yet for some strange reason, we cannot find a SINGLE desi patriot who will dump some cyanide or toluene or strychnine into the jhelum or chenab.
They blow up our women and children but we cannot find a single dude who will just drive a truck, cause an accident in jhelum and cause half a million dead in Rawalpindi six months later.

You need tonnes and tonnes of chemicals to have a shot at killing even 1/10th of the figure you're hoping to achieve. One single truck accident won't achieve shit. You'll need to blow up a few bridges each of which have more than a few dozen trucks carrying such material stationed. It's not out of reach for some of it to get lodged in the ravines within India itself and fuck up the soil chemistry of several villages in India itself before it makes it's way to Pakistan.

 

[Nutcracker]

They are flying shahpar. Equivalent to way inferior to Rustom1. Which our army jurnails look down upon as not suitable for ISR operations.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

I think they will do nothing and will be forgotten soon they will not do another 26.02.19 type thing.

i think we are overlooking the fact that we have offed SO MANY LeT/Jaish commanders and stuff even recently.
I call that retaliation. Sure, we dont have media capitalise on it like Israeli media does, but this is also what israel does - they blow off the nuts and head-shot terrorist leader HIMSELF in middle of souq.
They dont drop a bomb on a house willy nilly unless they HAVE to. the vast majority of Israeli action against terrorism is kind of what we have heard recently in news from RAW.
Except for us, its no official statements like in israel, no media front page news,its a random small story somewhere.
So i wont complain too much on that front.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

You need tonnes and tonnes of chemicals to have a shot at killing even 1/10th of the figure you're hoping to achieve. One single truck accident won't achieve shit. You'll need to blow up a few bridges each of which have more than a few dozen trucks carrying such material stationed. It's not out of reach for some of it to get lodged in the ravines within India itself and fuck up the soil chemistry of several villages in India itself before it makes it's way to Pakistan.

kyoo ? i know ppm calculations and there are plenty of highly toxic poisons that only require small ppm amount to be toxic/deadly to humans. i truck can carry several tonnes of that, so in ppm terms i think it may be doable....

 

[SKC]

We shouldn't give them tourist money until we fix the problem by altering demographics or completely cleansing them.

Obviously, that land is ours and ours alone and all mullas are illegal occupiers.

That onus is not on civilians thats on Center. They promised a lot of things and throwing away money in Kashmir. You made road so I will go. You are responsible for security so provide the same.​

 

[DivineHeretic]

If i am going to take a critical 'devils adovate' side to this balakot airstrike and counter air campaign,
i will have to give a C+ to balakot and B+ to counter air campaign.

I am not sure how this is not clear-cut to any analyst based off of barebone facts:

1. IN balakot, we successfully managed enemy air penetration and returned with zero losses. THAT is indisputable. If we believe PAF and not IAF, we hit trees - ok. So we took shit bombs or dropped it at wrong place. but we did deliver payload. our strike packages DID come home empty and even PAF said 'look muh dead trees'.
Thats a C+ effort at worst.
The main hurdle OF bombing campaign, is successful penetration & extraction of assets from enemy air space. We achieved that.


2. Counter air campaign - Pakistan made a directed air attack against a specific installation - that is pakistan saying 'we must fight' and we going 'okay'. We prevented directed air strike on said target AND we took down a F16 at cost of a Mig21.

Thats like having a team run full speed at your fence with their cars, you manage to stop them all, you lose one of your cars - maruti and take out one of theirs - a jaguar.

how the hell is that NOT an A- performance at the worst ?!

ok,lets say IAF lied about shooting down F16 ( i have no reason to doubt IAF word as they are most trustworthy airforces in the world) - this means we lost 1 plane, prevented bombing run of target attacked by PAF.
meaning we stopped THEIR balakot tit for tat and lost a plane in turn.
Imagine if we went to balakot, didnt even get to drop bombs and came back but they just lost a plane in defence. PAF failed in delivering payload and fucked off. took down a plane in return, so failed strike mission FOR THEM.
Thats at worst a C+.

So i am interested in your analysis of why are you willing to give IAF what seems like a F or D- in both counts.

The average performance of individuals at unit level engagements must not be conflated with performance or lack thereof from tactical and strategic commands.

For the air strike campaign -

did the IAF HQ not understand that this was as much a political statement as much a military one and therefore video evidence would be just as important as the act? Did they also not understand that even without the political weight, this was the first strike mission being carried out in a generation, and first in not administered territory since 1971 - and therefore video evidence would be necessary for BDA and future planning and training. Finally, did the air force not have precedence of opposition refusing to acknowledge its losses over a period of 70 odd years? Then how was the air force command so utterlty incompetent that they couldnt make basic plans to ensure video evidence was available.

For the air strike itself - our understanding is that this was a rehashed plan from 2000s - possibly 2009 - and for that we gave away the advantage we held by revealing the extent of intelligence we had on PAF and PA air defence capabilities and vulnerabilities. When evidence suggests we could have,. and we eventually did, brute force our way into the targets without the revelation. PAF changed out its entire air defence grid across the country post that strike.

For the counter air - how dare the air force commands be so extraordinarily incompetent and complacent that you ended up with 2 MKIs being forced to fend off against 28 - with 2 more mig-21s being the only available back up over a 30 min engagement - How do you end up with that scenario with nearly 80 fighters being available within 20 mins in region. And why were counter strike plans not ordered ready by air command - the moment PAF fleet was detected airborne counter air and counter strikes should have been pushed up ready for launch in 2 mins - PAF should have been forced into a choice of either mounting its attack or shifting into a defense of its bases - instead they were alloweds the operational freedom to mount a 30 min assault - how god damned stupid and vapid can one get?

Am not even getting into the jammed communication and the shoot down of MI-17.

Also our understandiung is F-16 was hit - but saved - the citation to a US air force personnel for "saving" an aircraft bears testimony.

 

[Viper316]

They are flying shahpar. Equivalent to Rustom1. Which our army jurnails look down upon as not suitable for ISR operations.

They are aware we wont attack today yet they are cautious they felt 2 underpowered UAVs enough to assess the situation, pathetic they dont even seem to be panic this time

 

[Airborne22]

kyoo ? i know ppm calculations and there are plenty of highly toxic poisons that only require small ppm amount to be toxic/deadly to humans. i truck can carry several tonnes of that, so in ppm terms i think it may be doable....

If You have the $$$, just make some connections and give Anjaam to your plans

 

[Vinash]

That onus is not on civilians thats on Center. They promised a lot of things and throwing away money in Kashmir. You made road so I will go. You are responsible for security so provide the same.​

Good point.

Gov has poured disproportionate tax money into Kashmir. It's their job to find a perma solution.

 

[SKC]

This BJP govt's problem is trying to find political and bureaucratic solution to every problem within India.

There are problems which only military action can solve. But BJP tries to run away form that.

BJP should not have given Assembly in Jammu and Kashmir so early. We should have waited for 5-6 years atleast.​

 

[FalconSlayers]

View: https://x.com/sudhakarudumula/status/1914716698214863193

 

[Aditya 98]

i think we are overlooking the fact that we have offed SO MANY LeT/Jaish commanders and stuff even recently.
I call that retaliation. Sure, we dont have media capitalise on it like Israeli media does, but this is also what israel does - they blow off the nuts and head-shot terrorist leader HIMSELF in middle of souq.
They dont drop a bomb on a house willy nilly unless they HAVE to. the vast majority of Israeli action against terrorism is kind of what we have heard recently in news from RAW.
Except for us, its no official statements like in israel, no media front page news,its a random small story somewhere.
So i wont complain too much on that front.

True what I meant was whatever retaliation if at all will come against the local ones based in this country.

 

[sameer]

This BJP govt's problem is trying to find political and bureaucratic solution to every problem within India.

There are problems which only military action can solve. But BJP tries to run away form that.

BJP should not have given Assembly in Jammu and Kashmir so early. We should have waited for 5-6 years atleast.​

BJP cares too much about how its perceived by their opponents (esp by the leli, aman ki asha and "Democracie in danger" gang). They want to be seen as right wing but not too right wing.

Honestly, if BJP was even 1/10th as fascist as their opponents and leli media make them out to be , then I'd be very very happy.

 

[Decahex]

kyoo ? i know ppm calculations and there are plenty of highly toxic poisons that only require small ppm amount to be toxic/deadly to humans. i truck can carry several tonnes of that, so in ppm terms i think it may be doable....

To orchestrate a chemical attack disguised as an "accident", you'll have no choice but to play with chemicals that are used in industries. Using chemicals with high toxicity will raise too many eyebrows. That's what your comment was about right? Making it look like an accident? If that wasn't it, you might as well fuck with them openly and risk a war.

 

[Knowitall]

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[Knowitall]

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Even terrorists knew meetha modi salwaar ke niche nanga hai.

God forbid we citizens life without fear.

 

[Waanar]

Whole local population is involved and happy with loss of Hindu lives. These Mofos were sadder about loss of their business rather than the lives.​

A thousand more such attacks would maybe, *maybe* make our people learn.

Aur jao ghoomne hamin e ast pelte hue.
Zero attempts at Ghar Wapsi, zero attempts at settling outsiders, zero attempt at taking a side. Still trying to please both sides while law abiding citizens get shot in the head.

What an astounding failure at safeguarding lives.
This is going back up to 90s level of body count.

What's going to be the response? Kill a bunch of no gooders who would have died of opium overdose six months later anyways?
Fucking settle outsiders there by offering them land in exchange for suppressing anything related to terrorism, destroy their businesses, force them to take one side or the other and raise the bloodshed instead of just stomaching it for "the greater good of peace".

Doesn't matter if those settlers turn rowdy and invite sanctions by violating human rights.
You risked way more for S400. This is way, way more strategically coherent than "we will pound empty Pakistani pillboxes for 3 nights in a row".

There are brave, brave men in the country who would gladly eat bullets for it, inside the armed forces and out.


TLDR- What a spectacular world class failure. 10/10 would masturbate to Saudi jets escort to Modizi while our people get killed in their homeland again.

 

[Nutcracker]

Turbofan ISR/AEW platform .

 

[FalconSlayers]

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