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I think a positive feedback loop was in progress in Kashmir.

Peace--> Tourists --> Income/ Exposure to bigger world --> Happy People --> Peace

The attack seems to achieve the objectives of
1. Create fear in tourists so that their number decreases and Kashmir does not become normal.
2. Make JD Vance feel unsafe, make his visit cut short

I would say something would have been planned for other places too.
More number of attacks--> Combined fear psychosis

But these are all short term things. Separatism/Terrorism, etc. have only one root cause- Islamic belief that preaches to kill Hindus and Jews. Unless this belief goes, someone with this belief will always pick guns and kill a few Hindus.
 
So many people are dead, in a fair world both HM and defence minister should resign

Resignation is never an answer. It is like running away from your duty, nothing honesty. Time to do Root cause analysis and bring some changes in SOP and some solutions.

India is a country of 1.4 billion.
India is i believe the 3rd or 4th biggest chemical industry producer on planet earth.

Yet for some strange reason, we cannot find a SINGLE desi patriot who will dump some cyanide or toluene or strychnine into the jhelum or chenab.
They blow up our women and children but we cannot find a single dude who will just drive a truck, cause an accident in jhelum and cause half a million dead in Rawalpindi six months later.

Chemical and Bio warfare once unleashed will be difficult to handle. Something like an gas released in Pakistan can be swept away by wind to India. How can we stop them? Same with Bio weapons like Virus, what happens if the Virus gets mutated and our preventive vaccines stop working. It is an dual edge knife problem.

Or drastic way is to go Russian style, send letter with Polonium. Slow and steady death over the years. But we don't go to that extent.

What's stopping IA from creating terror groups like Pak Army?

Surely probability of success would be much higher than rag tag civilians doing it.

Are our Army walas sanskaris who can't bend the rules?


IA is an professional Army which does not involve in creating Militia. It is an role of Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) to handle these things covertly. But RAW itself is compromised over the years with people like Dualet and other folks who are licking Pakis ass 24x7.
 
For people demanding retaliation, with what? The Indian army and air force are the weakest they have been since 1962, relative to Pakistan. Combine that with a senior office cadre that is dangerously incomptent at modern warfare, and this is an army that is barely positioned to defend, let alone go on an offense.

Anyone who studied IAFs airstrikes on Balakot and the subsquent third rate counter air campaign- know this is a fighting force that doesnt know or understand how to build operational strategies or conduct combat ops at all - These are basic air ops missions - conducted every day by US, NATO, Russia, Israel, Ukraine, that too successfully, day in and day out. Heck, Syrian air forces conducted better strike missions for heavens' sake. How on earth can you screw the one thing you trained for, for a damned generation no less. How on earth will any government trust this force after that wholesale disaster of an operation.

The less said about army fighting units the better - save for few specialist units, whose combat capability is being degraded every day - most of Indian fighting units are at 1990s Iraq army standards (excluding signals maybe) - Training standards - perhaps worse. There is no strategy or master plan - its basically somehow plug the holes with enough bodies till opponents run out of ammo, or get bored.

Just praise whoever you believe in that the other side is even more incompetent in a conventional sense - and that takes some doing - or else we are very very well positioned to for some deep humiliations this decade as combat capability further erodes.

If i am going to take a critical 'devils adovate' side to this balakot airstrike and counter air campaign,
i will have to give a C+ to balakot and B+ to counter air campaign.

I am not sure how this is not clear-cut to any analyst based off of barebone facts:

1. IN balakot, we successfully managed enemy air penetration and returned with zero losses. THAT is indisputable. If we believe PAF and not IAF, we hit trees - ok. So we took shit bombs or dropped it at wrong place. but we did deliver payload. our strike packages DID come home empty and even PAF said 'look muh dead trees'.
Thats a C+ effort at worst.
The main hurdle OF bombing campaign, is successful penetration & extraction of assets from enemy air space. We achieved that.


2. Counter air campaign - Pakistan made a directed air attack against a specific installation - that is pakistan saying 'we must fight' and we going 'okay'. We prevented directed air strike on said target AND we took down a F16 at cost of a Mig21.

Thats like having a team run full speed at your fence with their cars, you manage to stop them all, you lose one of your cars - maruti and take out one of theirs - a jaguar.

how the hell is that NOT an A- performance at the worst ?!

ok,lets say IAF lied about shooting down F16 ( i have no reason to doubt IAF word as they are most trustworthy airforces in the world) - this means we lost 1 plane, prevented bombing run of target attacked by PAF.
meaning we stopped THEIR balakot tit for tat and lost a plane in turn.
Imagine if we went to balakot, didnt even get to drop bombs and came back but they just lost a plane in defence. PAF failed in delivering payload and fucked off. took down a plane in return, so failed strike mission FOR THEM.
Thats at worst a C+.

So i am interested in your analysis of why are you willing to give IAF what seems like a F or D- in both counts.
 
Post the screenshot ?
Altitude is stable but speed fluctuations is high, max speed has reached 1000 knots. cant be a UAV or transport aircraft. Few more platforms was visible but disappeared after few mins, may be they switched off the receiver
 

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I think a positive feedback loop was in progress in Kashmir.

Peace--> Tourists --> Income/ Exposure to bigger world --> Happy People --> Peace

The attack seems to achieve the objectives of
1. Create fear in tourists so that their number decreases and Kashmir does not become normal.
2. Make JD Vance feel unsafe, make his visit cut short

I would say something would have been planned for other places too.
More number of attacks--> Combined fear psychosis

But these are all short term things. Separatism/Terrorism, etc. have only one root cause- Islamic belief that preaches to kill Hindus and Jews. Unless this belief goes, someone with this belief will always pick guns and kill a few Hindus.
You will never stop all attacks by playing constant whack a mole. That LoC itself is a huge ass place with plenty of places to infiltrate and tangos always have element of surprise. When someone gets through inspite of all the vigilance you get this sort of a situation.
 
Common man, one have to give it to jihadi MUNIR and his gang.

How much stupid and dumbest one can get that they do these type of stupidest things.
They made tonight everyone angry and lost any support at all with one single move.

1. The Vice president of USA and the future President of most powerful country is here, he already don't like you and then you all go and do these type of things, great image building.

2. The (maybe) future PM of Bharat and the most aggressive guy who don't even like you Paikhanastanis at all, these jihadis made angry even him as he is in Kashmir now, just imagine his face, like he is going to leave you jihadis now.

3. The delusional hindus will not forget this now, good thing for us and will finally see the real thing as innocent tourists were killed who were not even resident of Kashmir, so, BAHARI LOG KABJA rant too goes up.

4. The kashmiris who were doing just business and were finally feeling happy for the money they were making.

5. The waqf "inside India residing pakistani jihadis" who will now think twice before coming tomorrow and will be cursing you fellow Paikhanastanis SUNNIS for destroying any sympathy whatsover as terrorists openly said while shooting "kill hindus" and this all fight is for land only.

6. Finally that Sawhney and Aman ki tamasha nautanki too will be crying now.

7. Rest about Pappu ji who is in USA, nobody cares about him.

So, good work Paikhanastanis you all always manage to take FLYING ARROW STRAIGHT UP YOUR A$$.
 
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I think a positive feedback loop was in progress in Kashmir.

Peace--> Tourists --> Income/ Exposure to bigger world --> Happy People --> Peace

The attack seems to achieve the objectives of
1. Create fear in tourists so that their number decreases and Kashmir does not become normal.
2. Make JD Vance feel unsafe, make his visit cut short

I would say something would have been planned for other places too.
More number of attacks--> Combined fear psychosis

But these are all short term things. Separatism/Terrorism, etc. have only one root cause- Islamic belief that preaches to kill Hindus and Jews. Unless this belief goes, someone with this belief will always pick guns and kill a few Hindus.

If #2 was ever an objective and it succeeds, i take back everything, i happily swallow the 30-40 dead and do nothing.
As they say, never interrupt your enemies when they make a mistake. If you think making Veep of Murrica who is MAGA simpleton raah-raah dude no less, feel unsafe via islamic terrorism is a good idea, please be my guest.
Do it again. we wont need to nuke Pindi. Trumpwa will do it himself.
 

Common man, one have to give it to jihadi MUNIR and his gang.

How much stupid and dumbest one can get that they do these type of stupidest things.
They made tonight everyone angry and lost any support at all with one single move.

1. The Vice president of USA and the future President of most powerful country is here, he already don't like you and then you all go and do these type of things, great image building.

2. The (maybe) future PM of Bharat and the most aggressive guy who don't even like you Paikhanastanis at all, these jihadis made angry even him as he is in Kashmir now, just imagine his face, like he is going to leave you jihadis now.

3. The delusional hindus will not forget this now, good thing and will finally see the real thing as tourists were killed who were not even residence of Kashmir, so, BAHARI LOG KABJA rant too goes up.

4. The kashmiris who were doing just business and were finally feeling happy for the money they were making.

5. The waqf inside India residing pakistani jihadis who will now think twice before coming tomorrow as terrorists openly said while shooting "kill hindus".

6. Finally that Sawhney and Aman ki tamasha nautanki too will be crying now.

7. Rest about Pappu ji who is in USA, nobody cares about him.

So, good work Paikhanastanis you all always manage to take FLYING ARROW STRAIGHT UP YOUR A$$.
Ho gaya bhai keyboard warlord banega kya. jihadi bahar hai yaha pe nahi
 

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