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ArjunMK1A said:
We are already paying billions of dollars for that engine. If they want barter system, at least get some C-17 from UK via US or get some C-130H.
Both of them were required compared to an Stryker which proves to be an turd.
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I think there is a push from general dynamics via us gov. Otherwise why specifically Stryker ?
There are so many other tenders where we can buy us systems for eg mta, refuelers.
Maybe they don't Whap/kestral to compete them in international market.
 

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Satish Sharma Ji said:
I think there is a push from general dynamics via us gov. Otherwise why specifically Stryker ?
There are so many other tenders where we can buy us systems for eg mta, refuelers.
Maybe they don't Whap/kestral to compete them in international market.
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Initially the news came like OEM production in India for NATO. Soon it becomes India will also use stryker and then apparent trial and now the trial result proves to be failure.

Lets see what will be next.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
Initially the news came like OEM production in India for NATO. Soon it becomes India will also use stryker and then apparent trial and now the trial result proves to be failure.

Lets see what will be next.
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Exactly I heard many so called strategic experts claiming usa wants keeps its suply chain closer to chinese front for future conflict with china. As keeping them in a country like philipines instead of india would mean they would be under attack unlike india where china would fear multi front war.

This was sold back then. I found it piculiar but believed
 
ArjunMK1A said:
We are already paying billions of dollars for that engine. If they want barter system, at least get some C-17 from UK via US or get some C-130H.
Both of them were required compared to an Stryker which proves to be an turd.
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US wants an additional production line for Stryker to increase production in case of war.
But they don't wanna order extra big amount of strykers, as they have sufficient no. For now, to warrent an additional production line in usa.
So they are dumping it on india, the same factory that will produce stryker for IA can be used to produce stryker US army and marines if need arise.

So I thought if top level of gov is allowing thar dumping then we must have gotten something in return, that's why i was thinking of tot for f414
if it was just to buy more weapons from usa because of unequal trade we could have and should have gone for additional Chinooks, c17, c130.
 
Satish Sharma Ji said:
Exactly I heard many so called strategic experts claiming usa wants keeps its suply chain closer to chinese front for future conflict with china. As keeping them in a country like philipines instead of india would mean they would be under attack unlike india where china would fear multi front war.

This was sold back then. I found it piculiar but believed
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They want supply chain in a country which can also give large orders to warrent large production rate, hence biulding a factory with capability of high production rate.
And India is best choice they've have.
 
Satish Sharma Ji said:
Privatisation would be deadly for drdo as innovation will only happen in instant money making areas. Terrible for long term
However freeing this organisation from babus would be great. Babus needs to be replaced by technocrats from triservices,mod,drdo etc etc
We need to do something to create enough technocrats to lead this organisation.
Babus don't understand complexity of R&D if any project fails instantly heavily politicises cag comes in publishes reports financial loss this stalls r&d as people are not willing own and take new innovative ideas out of board. This will never let us become a trend setter.
Boeings downfall began aftererger with macdonalds douglas as the leadership of macdonald got onto the top of whole corporation earlier former engineer's were at the top of organisations.
Babu's are parasites.

Something revolutionary needs to be done this usual conduct exam on basis of who does better ratta gets more marks becomes babu needs to be stopped. Instead people who have industrial experience knowledge inshort technocrats are needed for many gov organisation out there.
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Yes, Babudom is full of paper pushers and the damage they do to this country is heavily underestimated. They can`t get decent footpaths planned even in Tier-1 cities and we expect them to understand and "Sanction" 4th gen Engine R&D programs!

Private sector wants ROI in months, not years or decades and the reason we used to buy so much from China for consumer market is due to reluctance to invest in Tooling for production. Thankfully, Modiji screwed their party and forced them to actually start building some stuff here again.

R&D in Defense should be driven by DRDO with Government funds for next couple of decades at-least till we`ve Kalyani & SSS like companies in all sectors
 
It just dawned on me that the first mpatgm was tested in 2018. Ideally, should have been inducted by 2022 max. Ye topji, people who should not be named, xperts and lobby wale kya test kr rhe hai aisa ki abhi tak hawa tak nhi udi iske order Dene ki. Atleast Atags ki hawa to udi orders ki.
Itne time m toh drdo 2-3 naye atgm system bna kar patak dete. In xperts se trial trial khelna khatam nhi ho pa rha.

We got a desi lahat in our house, a 3rd gent mpatgm and recent air india laser beam rider atgm. All man portable systems wich are more accurate and less training demanding than than konkurs and milan but but Hume toh still 2nd gen wire guided systems se hi kaam chalayenge.

SAMHO is such a capable system in these days of drone proliferation that I can't stress enough that it should have been inducted a long time ago. Make a 125mm version same as fmbt Calibre, tune it a bit for manportable launch and design a suitable tripod launcher for it.
Imagine a drone detected a tank in frontlines and passes the coordinates to atgm team which fires it in NLOS mode based on coordinates and the same drone lases it on tank roof for terminal guidance of atgm giving it top attack capability.
NLOS firing capability is the true next gen defining feature of an atgm in my books.

While yahoodis are trying to sell their lahat with showing possible kind of engagements possible especially NLOS, 3rd party designation. And we as usual are posting photos of soldiers with reverse scopes on rifles from official adgpi X handles in 2025.


View: https://youtu.be/C6HAc8hMknE?si=t4Ujpb8RJc98dpKb
 
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I think we still don't have NavIc functional or maybe we are using it.
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Not really sure where should I put this.
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Grok's response on the above.

The BrahMos missile test failure in 2009 at Pokhran, Rajasthan, was due to a GPS blackout, possibly from U.S. satellites being switched off, as reported by DRDO officials. The U.S. has turned off GPS for military purposes in the past, like during the 1999 Kargil conflict when it denied GPS data to India. India’s NavIC system, launched partly in response, aims for global coverage by 2025, reducing reliance on foreign GPS. No evidence confirms deliberate U.S. action in the 2009 test.


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Hawkeye said:
It just dawned on me that the first mpatgm was tested in 2018. Ideally, should have been inducted by 2022 max. Ye topji, people who should not be named, xperts and lobby wale kya test kr rhe hai aisa ki abhi tak hawa tak nhi udi iske order Dene ki. Atleast Atags ki hawa to udi orders ki.
Itne time m toh drdo 2-3 naye atgm system bna kar patak dete. In xperts se trial trial khelna khatam nhi ho pa rha.

We got a desi lahat in our house, a 3rd gent mpatgm and recent air india laser beam rider atgm. All man portable systems wich are more accurate and less training demanding than than konkurs and milan but but Hume toh still 2nd gen wire guided systems se hi kaam chalayenge.

SAMHO is such a capable system in these days of drone proliferation that I can't stress enough that it should have been inducted a long time ago. Make a 125mm version same as fmbt Calibre, tune it a bit for manportable launch and design a suitable tripod launcher for it.
Imagine a drone detected a tank in frontlines and passes the coordinates to atgm team which fires it in NLOS mode based on coordinates and the same drone lases it on tank roof for terminal guidance of atgm giving it top attack capability.
NLOS firing capability is the true next gen defining feature of an atgm in my books.

While yahoodis are trying to sell their lahat with showing possible kind of engagements possible especially NLOS, 3rd party designation. And we as usual are posting photos of soldiers with reverse scopes on rifles from official adgpi X handles in 2025.


View: https://youtu.be/C6HAc8hMknE?si=t4Ujpb8RJc98dpKb
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MPATGM is under User trials (Army). Don't know how much time it will take. BDL is the manufacturing partner.

NAG 1, Dhruvastra, SAMHO, SANT were all completed DRDO trials. Army conducted trials for NAG.

Lets see what will be ordered for the Anti-Tank missile.
 
notaname said:
I think we still don't have NavIc functional or maybe we are using it.
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Not really sure where should I put this.
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Grok's response on the above.

The BrahMos missile test failure in 2009 at Pokhran, Rajasthan, was due to a GPS blackout, possibly from U.S. satellites being switched off, as reported by DRDO officials. The U.S. has turned off GPS for military purposes in the past, like during the 1999 Kargil conflict when it denied GPS data to India. India’s NavIC system, launched partly in response, aims for global coverage by 2025, reducing reliance on foreign GPS. No evidence confirms deliberate U.S. action in the 2009 test.


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Brahmos uses Satnav + INS. Even if Satnav fails, does brahmos use the INS for waypoint navigation. As for NAVIC, it was in demand from Kargil. We have them albeit in sorry state. Only 4 out of 11 were fully functional. IRNSS screwed up by the atomic clocks. But serious concern with NVS-2. Simply the orbit raising maneuver failed loosing the satellite. GOI needs to increase the NAVIC count for now and also faster.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
Brahmos uses Satnav + INS. Even if Satnav fails, does brahmos use the INS for waypoint navigation. As for NAVIC, it was in demand from Kargil. We have them albeit in sorry state. Only 4 out of 11 were fully functional. IRNSS screwed up by the atomic clocks. But serious concern with NVS-2. Simply the orbit raising maneuver failed loosing the satellite. GOI needs to increase the NAVIC count for now and also faster.
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this idea that GPS black out could affect a land attack cruise missile built using Russian sourced electronics (almost exclusively so in 2009) is so ridiculous, it could come out of pappu's mouth alone.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
MPATGM is under User trials (Army). Don't know how much time it will take. BDL is the manufacturing partner.

NAG 1, Dhruvastra, SAMHO, SANT were all completed DRDO trials. Army conducted trials for NAG.

Lets see what will be ordered for the Anti-Tank missile.
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what are the new munitions(PSU/private/foreign) for all services that did get fully inducted(ignoring LSP and ordered) in past decade including small orders?

off top of my head, leaving out SFC.

- S-400
- air launched brahmos
- barak 8
- shivalik grenade
- nipun, ulka , parth , prachand , vibhav (?)
- spike LR, NLOS
- nagastra-1
- astra
- varunastra
- ALWT
- rampage
- ROCKS
- firefly
- skystriker
- warmate
- ALS-50
- hellfire

what else did i miss?

pipeline list would be much longer..
 
Alright guys, has anyone actually know what the US mech force grunts feel about the Stryker as a war machine?
For high altitude I think we are getting a more powerful engine, the above variant in the pic would be actually good, replace the stingers(?) with new gen javelins and a 30mm. Would be mobile and sufficient firepower with defensive soft kill capabilities. Later on we can add LM/drone capability. Basically modify it with indigenous tech create new variants.

Would still prefer the Mahindra whap though however, if its happening, there is nothing we can say/do. Just cope. lol
 
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