DRDO and PSU's

Had anyone noticed we had too many baboos in production agencies like OFB, PSUs but in R&D organisations like DRDO we only had only 5000 Scientists and 25,000 all other types totalling 30,000 only. This is for DRDO that handles all the shit from basic rifles to ICBMs. Keeping this aside our only design Agency AKA ADA only has 1000 employees and I don't even know how many Scientists and Engineers from that as that is total figure and now comparing to China which has holy fuck 500,000 in AVIC. No wonder they can accomplish it by brute force. Leave it alone, just the Chengdu which produces J-20 has 20,000 employees alone compare to palsy 1000 of ADA. Another thing is this Aero Engines of China has 96,000 where as us like how many in GTRE? Maybe 960 itself is high estimate?

Same with ISRO, it has some palsy 20,000 employees whereas same Chinese own equivalent had 200,000 employees. Note that the Chinese Aviation Industry isn't a dumping machine like all other industries of it leading with excess production and excess employees. It only caters to small domestic demand and which means that most of those working on Indigenous Programs only. No wonder Chinese could brute force everything by the sheer size of their employees. I always felt about quality of DRDO but never questioned is there enough quantity hiring on scale?

Instead of that whatever MNREGA Scam, Government should atleast had spent on this. We are not hiring enough in required sectors and dumping freebies on dehatis.
 
SlayingHell said:
Had anyone noticed we had too many baboos in production agencies like OFB, PSUs but in R&D organisations like DRDO we only had only 5000 Scientists and 25,000 all other types totalling 30,000 only. This is for DRDO that handles all the shit from basic rifles to ICBMs. Keeping this aside our only design Agency AKA ADA only has 1000 employees and I don't even know how many Scientists and Engineers from that as that is total figure and now comparing to China which has holy fuck 500,000 in AVIC. No wonder they can accomplish it by brute force. Leave it alone, just the Chengdu which produces J-20 has 20,000 employees alone compare to palsy 1000 of ADA. Another thing is this Aero Engines of China has 96,000 where as us like how many in GTRE? Maybe 960 itself is high estimate?

Same with ISRO, it has some palsy 20,000 employees whereas same Chinese own equivalent had 200,000 employees. Note that the Chinese Aviation Industry isn't a dumping machine like all other industries of it leading with excess production and excess employees. It only caters to small domestic demand and which means that most of those working on Indigenous Programs only. No wonder Chinese could brute force everything by the sheer size of their employees. I always felt about quality of DRDO but never questioned is there enough quantity hiring on scale?

Instead of that whatever MNREGA Scam, Government should atleast had spent on this. We are not hiring enough in required sectors and dumping freebies on dehatis.
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The most extreme example this is the diplomatic corps of India. It's a paltry 700ish. Singapore has more.
 
SlayingHell said:
Had anyone noticed we had too many baboos in production agencies like OFB, PSUs but in R&D organisations like DRDO we only had only 5000 Scientists and 25,000 all other types totalling 30,000 only. This is for DRDO that handles all the shit from basic rifles to ICBMs. Keeping this aside our only design Agency AKA ADA only has 1000 employees and I don't even know how many Scientists and Engineers from that as that is total figure and now comparing to China which has holy fuck 500,000 in AVIC. No wonder they can accomplish it by brute force. Leave it alone, just the Chengdu which produces J-20 has 20,000 employees alone compare to palsy 1000 of ADA. Another thing is this Aero Engines of China has 96,000 where as us like how many in GTRE? Maybe 960 itself is high estimate?

Same with ISRO, it has some palsy 20,000 employees whereas same Chinese own equivalent had 200,000 employees. Note that the Chinese Aviation Industry isn't a dumping machine like all other industries of it leading with excess production and excess employees. It only caters to small domestic demand and which means that most of those working on Indigenous Programs only. No wonder Chinese could brute force everything by the sheer size of their employees. I always felt about quality of DRDO but never questioned is there enough quantity hiring on scale?

Instead of that whatever MNREGA Scam, Government should atleast had spent on this. We are not hiring enough in required sectors and dumping freebies on dehatis.
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This is an absolutely valid comparison but then someone might come up with the argument that number of scientists doesn't matter, what they do is more important

So let's talk about R&D; the end result of everything from number of employees to budget to the academia

Combining plethora of topics from PPE suit to auto-loader for MBT, multiple labs and also scientist working on deputation with other institutions these are the stats for number of DRDO patents published in last 5 years. 2023 - 20, 2022 - 79, 2021 - 54, 2020 - 18 and 2019 - 38

For the same period these numbers are from SIG Sauer; a US based firm that's concerned only in firearms, ammunition and optics.
32, 20, 28, 23 and 40.

That's just a single firm engaged in a fraction of fields DRDO is. We should never compare it with DARPA, theoretically the peer but if one wishes then it'd be like
1090, 1074, 103leave it

We seriously need to focus on drastically improving our R&D otherwise...
🙂
 
Ayan Barat said:
This is an absolutely valid comparison but then someone might come up with the argument that number of scientists doesn't matter, what they do is more important

So let's talk about R&D; the end result of everything from number of employees to budget to the academia

Combining plethora of topics from PPE suit to auto-loader for MBT, multiple labs and also scientist working on deputation with other institutions these are the stats for number of DRDO patents published in last 5 years. 2023 - 20, 2022 - 79, 2021 - 54, 2020 - 18 and 2019 - 38

For the same period these numbers are from SIG Sauer; a US based firm that's concerned only in firearms, ammunition and optics.
32, 20, 28, 23 and 40.

That's just a single firm engaged in a fraction of fields DRDO is. We should never compare it with DARPA, theoretically the peer but if one wishes then it'd be like
1090, 1074, 103leave it

We seriously need to focus on drastically improving our R&D otherwise...
🙂
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Iam not talking about Quality and didn't talked about Lockheed or NG. But comparing to Chinese whose journey was similar to us with no legacies inherited from WW2. What Iam saying is that when there is enough quantity it will be a quality itself. Moreover a significant aspect is I noted there are multiple bureaus for a single area where they had to compete whereas here there is no competition. Even in Gormint run Depts, if there is competition then there would be atleast a fraction of improvements. When you have heaps of employees, there would be inevitable emergence of atleast 2 or 3 Diamonds from them, the probability increases.
 
SlayingHell said:
Iam not talking about Quality and didn't talked about Lockheed or NG. But comparing to Chinese whose journey was similar to us with no legacies inherited from WW2. What Iam saying is that when there is enough quantity it will be a quality itself. Moreover a significant aspect is I noted there are multiple bureaus for a single area where they had to compete whereas here there is no competition. Even in Gormint run Depts, if there is competition then there would be atleast a fraction of improvements. When you have heaps of employees, there would be inevitable emergence of atleast 2 or 3 Diamonds from them, the probability increases.
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Arrrre...I'm not countering you.
Rather I'm adding further points on what might be the result of having less employees
 
fire starter said:
But but it is 70 percent indigenous saaar.

View: https://x.com/calm_sutra/status/1845564130435985710?t=gKL50nL1QHHvDlJF9is8pA&s=19
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I am going to predict near future, it's going to be true, headline-

CAG PULLS UP NAVY FOR CHINESE CONTENTS IN UAVs.

This junk replaced TAPAS, the fools are us and Import Armed forces people who always easily fall for HIGH PERFORMANCE GIMMICKS (here too are some who fall for these gimmicks), when questions are asked to Import armed forces people, they say "are you from armed forces?, You know better than armed forces?," everything is done so that CONCERNED CITIZENS AS WELL AS INDIGINEOUS STRENGTH WELL-WISHERS DON'T ASK OR ARE KEPT AT BAY so that these types of stupidity goes on, when someone do hit the belly of these Import Armed forces guys, they come up with better one, "we will fight with what we have," like Indian citizens said them don't buy home products, always nit-picking and perpetual upgradation, this stupidity will eat them in next war with factory chowmeins.
 
@fire starter @Aaj Ka Hero @Nutcracker
All you focused so much on that Mandarin thing that no one even bother to check whether it's even a Hermes 450 to begin with or not.

I guess this is the Chap from where this "Hermes 450" thing first started.
Screenshot_2024-10-14-09-36-14-54_6bcd734b3b4b52977458a65c801426b0.webp
You don't have intakes on side, mid-body mounted wings, retractable landing gears and front radome for SATCOM on a Hermes 450.
Hermes 450...
web6-2018-5-h450.webp
...has a distinct elevated wing mounting, single ventral intake at 6 o'clock, fixed boing boing landing gear and no SATCOM dome.

That's Hermes 900. Also common sense would tell that it'd be more likely to be 900 as it's being made locally as Drishti 10.
1920x747_Hermes-Starliner.webp

Now coming to Mandarin.
There's this saying in diagnosis that "When you hear hoofbeats, think of horses, not zebras". Focus on what's more likely to happen rather than on exceptions.

Hermes 900 is manufactured by Israel, assembled by India, used by Azerbaijan, Canada, Brazil, Chile, Columbia, Iceland, EU, Mexico, Switzerland and Philippines.
Out of these, which one uses Mandarin that it need to have giant Mandarin fonts on outside!? Remember, it's not some smaller sub-assemblies that might have been outsourced from China...it's the freaking airframe. Also if a defence platform is getting exported to EU or NATO then they're bound to face an astronomical level of scrutiny on sources of each and every component after that Chinese part in F-35 embarassment.

It's either some stencil fonts like Nutcracker said or my guess would be it's written in Hebrew.
 
Aaj Ka Hero said:
Too constricted to be stencil font, more look like Mandarin.
View attachment 12204
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Aap batao, why will a (((Jewish))) drone have ching-chong letterings on it's body?
They don't even export these to China.


And it's not that the lettering were found in some internal PCB or other component where Chini maal is more likely.
 
shade2 said:
Aap batao, why will a (((Jewish))) drone have ching-chong letterings on it's body?
They don't even export these to China.


And it's not that the lettering were found in some internal PCB or other component where Chini maal is more likely.
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Bhaijaan, due to this.
theprint.in

Amid concerns about use of Chinese parts in drones, Army general urges industry to be transparent

Maj Gen CS Mann, ADG, Army Design Bureau, cites national security concerns. This comes after intelligence agencies flagged use of Chinese components in drones purchased by armed forces.
theprint.in theprint.in

and this

m.economictimes.com

CBI finds fake Chinese parts in Indian Army's Dhanush gun - Bearing the brunt

The FIR said unknown officials of Guns Carriage Factory (GCF), Jabalpur, accepted the Chinese manufactured 'Wire Race Roller Bearings' supplied by Sidh Sales Syndicate which were embossed as 'CRB-Made in Germany'. It's all duplicate
m.economictimes.com m.economictimes.com

We all thought that in PAST during those DFI days, India don't use chinese parts in defense products but we were fooled, I don't want to be fooled again.

Regarding (((Jewish))) drone, I want (((Bharat))) drone, so that iteration can start from somewhere.
What they did with Tapas was not good, although I blame ADE design team for this, that's why new design in Archer uav.
 
Aaj Ka Hero said:
Bhaijaan, due to this.
theprint.in

Amid concerns about use of Chinese parts in drones, Army general urges industry to be transparent

Maj Gen CS Mann, ADG, Army Design Bureau, cites national security concerns. This comes after intelligence agencies flagged use of Chinese components in drones purchased by armed forces.
theprint.in theprint.in

and this

m.economictimes.com

CBI finds fake Chinese parts in Indian Army's Dhanush gun - Bearing the brunt

The FIR said unknown officials of Guns Carriage Factory (GCF), Jabalpur, accepted the Chinese manufactured 'Wire Race Roller Bearings' supplied by Sidh Sales Syndicate which were embossed as 'CRB-Made in Germany'. It's all duplicate
m.economictimes.com m.economictimes.com

We all thought that in PAST during those DFI days, India don't use chinese parts in defense products but we were fooled, I don't want to be fooled again.

Regarding (((Jewish))) drone, I want (((Bharat))) drone, so that iteration can start from somewhere.
What they did with Tapas was not good, although I blame ADE design team for this, that's why new design in Archer uav.
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Yes but what you've mentioned only make sense if it's the internal parts not mandarin-lettering-on-drone-body like that Twitter wala was saying.

The (((yahudi))) drone in question also has made in China internal parts i can tell you this with confidence.
So do various US platforms, that is how pervasive is Chinku in manufacturing, all it takes is some Baboo or suit-boot procurement specialist to take the (((L1))) supplier for those yellow parts to get into your stuff.

In the Dhanush case you have linked a 3rd party company made chutiya of DRDO by supplying cheeni maal in place of German maal as ordered.

I too want Indigenous maal, we're on the same team, unfortunately Imported Army and Imported Air Force cannot do without their kickbacks and foreign 🐈
 
Aaj Ka Hero said:
I am going to predict near future, it's going to be true, headline-

CAG PULLS UP NAVY FOR CHINESE CONTENTS IN UAVs.

This junk replaced TAPAS, the fools are us and Import Armed forces people who always easily fall for HIGH PERFORMANCE GIMMICKS (here too are some who fall for these gimmicks), when questions are asked to Import armed forces people, they say "are you from armed forces?, You know better than armed forces?," everything is done so that CONCERNED CITIZENS AS WELL AS INDIGINEOUS STRENGTH WELL-WISHERS DON'T ASK OR ARE KEPT AT BAY so that these types of stupidity goes on, when someone do hit the belly of these Import Armed forces guys, they come up with better one, "we will fight with what we have," like Indian citizens said them don't buy home products, always nit-picking and perpetual upgradation, this stupidity will eat them in next war with factory chowmeins.
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it is Korean not chinese
 
Aaj Ka Hero said:
Bhaijaan, due to this.
theprint.in

Amid concerns about use of Chinese parts in drones, Army general urges industry to be transparent

Maj Gen CS Mann, ADG, Army Design Bureau, cites national security concerns. This comes after intelligence agencies flagged use of Chinese components in drones purchased by armed forces.
theprint.in theprint.in

and this

m.economictimes.com

CBI finds fake Chinese parts in Indian Army's Dhanush gun - Bearing the brunt

The FIR said unknown officials of Guns Carriage Factory (GCF), Jabalpur, accepted the Chinese manufactured 'Wire Race Roller Bearings' supplied by Sidh Sales Syndicate which were embossed as 'CRB-Made in Germany'. It's all duplicate
m.economictimes.com m.economictimes.com

We all thought that in PAST during those DFI days, India don't use chinese parts in defense products but we were fooled, I don't want to be fooled again.

Regarding (((Jewish))) drone, I want (((Bharat))) drone, so that iteration can start from somewhere.
What they did with Tapas was not good, although I blame ADE design team for this, that's why new design in Archer uav.
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Archer ng is dead now
 
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