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aspdeepak said:

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I want to say go for 7.62 × 51 and develop lighter rounds.
Because 6.8 or whatever, 7.62 × 51 is still the best and desirable when you have so many radicals hoor lovers inside and outside.
I urge them to not just mindlessly follow whatever USA does, I know doing exercises is also a method of these countries to sell and promote their weapons to Indians.
We all saw what happened with INSAS thing.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
Automobiles have strict laws to monitor these kind of false labelling. On the other hand, did you checked the Mahindra EV Launch show, there is full list of supply vendors in that video. These are common suppliers for both TATA and Mahindra.

The main component in EV the battery is sourced from BYD(Mahindra) and Tata Autocomp (Cells are imported from Gotion (Chinese company)). Next part is the motor, both of them using the Valeo motors (German component), ADAS will be from Bosch (Both of them use, heck all cars in India will use majorly Bosch), BMS is from another EV supplier. Especially with EV, it is like assembly of various components.

Chinese companies like BYD, SAIC went with horizontal integration, Tesla does this. Traditional Auto companies generally don't go to this extent except Japanese where they have stake in suppliers also.

Meanwhile in India, we don't have companies operating in critical areas like ECU, Injection system, Turbo charger, Gearbox manufacturers, ADAS etc. We are always depends on German, Japanese, Koreans for this.

What we need is a startups like Bosch, Valeo who can work on component levels. Currently very few companies were operating like this here.
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Battery and Motor is main drive train in a EV just as Engine and Gearbox is in ICE auto. It is insider knowledge in Automotive circles that Chinese are far ahead of everybody in Battery and Motor tech in both Cost and Performance. Tesla match them only in performance.

In electronic and Power components such as BMS, VCU, DC-DC etc it is difficult to beat them. Cost per soldering point in China is typically about 10 paise. The same in India used to be Rs.1 or more, it has now coming down to about 50 paise or less here after Foxconn and others setup captive lines. Even for related mechanical parts like Shields, cost of raw material here is more than produced component cost there. Sourcing a casting for lower power DC-DC costs 120 bucks locally. Entire DC-DC unit including all power components is available from just 150 i.e less then 2$ there (though thermal performance may not good). A leading Microprocessor supplier evaluated building their SOC based module in millions per year here couple of years ago. The cost was coming to 7$+. The same was available in China for little more than 1.5$

But Europe, US & India don`t allow Chinese components directly. To get around this, Chinese together with many companies, particularly German ones have figured out a way where they extensively use local Chinese parts in their products to match performance and cost. For example, I could send specs of 3M Tapes, Bollhoff Helicoils, Wruth Capacitors to any of my Chinese supplier and they will identify and provide Chinese equivalent Brand and Part Number. Where my MNC client would previosuly use the original parts in the production line, they now readily use Chinese equivalent. To be fair, these Chinese parts will pass German QC tests without a single issue.

Many automotive suppliers, including biggest names like *osc* tried doing the same for batteries. But Chinese have so far flat-out refused to allow white labelling in large volumes for the leading edge batteries. It is allowed in smaller scale like Drone batteries etc. So if I need batteries for EV line, options are either buy cells from Teir-2 suppliers with slightly older technology and assemble battery under own brand or of if current Tech is wanted, sign-up to buy directly from biggies like BYD under their brand.

Putting it in simpler terms, If Chinese cars are allowed to be sold directly in India today, Indian brands will practically disappear. Tatas and Mahindras don`t have capacity or knowhow to build equivalent Motors or Batteries on their own EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.
 
Kattar said:
Battery and Motor is main drive train in a EV just as Engine and Gearbox is in ICE auto. It is insider knowledge in Automotive circles that Chinese are far ahead of everybody in Battery and Motor tech in both Cost and Performance. Tesla match them only in performance.

In electronic and Power components such as BMS, VCU, DC-DC etc it is difficult to beat them. Cost per soldering point in China is typically about 10 paise. The same in India used to be Rs.1 or more, it has now coming down to about 50 paise or less here after Foxconn and others setup captive lines. Even for related mechanical parts like Shields, cost of raw material here is more than produced component cost there. Sourcing a casting for lower power DC-DC costs 120 bucks locally. Entire DC-DC unit including all power components is available from just 150 i.e less then 2$ there (though thermal performance may not good). A leading Microprocessor supplier evaluated building their SOC based module in millions per year here couple of years ago. The cost was coming to 7$+. The same was available in China for little more than 1.5$

But Europe, US & India don`t allow Chinese components directly. To get around this, Chinese together with many companies, particularly German ones have figured out a way where they extensively use local Chinese parts in their products to match performance and cost. For example, I could send specs of 3M Tapes, Bollhoff Helicoils, Wruth Capacitors to any of my Chinese supplier and they will identify and provide Chinese equivalent Brand and Part Number. Where my MNC client would previosuly use the original parts in the production line, they now readily use Chinese equivalent. To be fair, these Chinese parts will pass German QC tests without a single issue.

Many automotive suppliers, including biggest names like *osc* tried doing the same for batteries. But Chinese have so far flat-out refused to allow white labelling in large volumes for the leading edge batteries. It is allowed in smaller scale like Drone batteries etc. So if I need batteries for EV line, options are either buy cells from Teir-2 suppliers with slightly older technology and assemble battery under own brand or of if current Tech is wanted, sign-up to buy directly from biggies like BYD under their brand.

Putting it in simpler terms, If Chinese cars are allowed to be sold directly in India today, Indian brands will practically disappear. Tatas and Mahindras don`t have capacity or knowhow to build equivalent Motors or Batteries on their own EVEN IF THEY WANTED TO.
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For Contrast consider the hundreds or thousands of man hours of research Japanese Auto makers are investing on Batteries despite Panasonic and Toshiba ALREADY having the absolute best tech in batteries

Toyota is researching on 3 different types of batteries for different market requirements

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Honda achieving battery tech breakthroughs on their own

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Inside Honda’s Solid-State Battery Breakthrough

Honda's solid-state batteries promise faster charging, longer range, and improved durability, redefining the future of EV technology.
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Suzuki is building its own battery plant while also de-risking by allying with Toshiba, Tata Gotion, Findreams and Eilly Power separately

www.globalsuzuki.com

ELIIY Power and Suzuki Announce Conclusion of Additional Investment and Business Alliance Agreement

ELIIY Power and Suzuki Announce Conclusion of Additional Investment and Business Alliance Agreement
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Prime minister Narendra Modi to launch construction of Suzuki’s EV battery plant in Gujarat

Japanese carmaker Suzuki Motor is investing INR 7,300 crore (around $914 million) to set up the electric vehicle battery plant at Hansalpur in Gujarat. The plant will manufacture advanced-chemistry cell batteries.
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Suzuki Motor Corporation has established key partnerships with Tata Gotion, TDS Lithium-ion Battery Gujarat (TDSG), FinDreams Battery, and ELIIY Power to secure a reliable and sustainable supply of batteries for its growing electric vehicle (EV) business. These collaborations will help Suzuki...
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Again all of the above while Panasonic & Toshibha are already the best in battery which they could`ve simply used to launch bunch of EVs already

One Japanese Motor manufacturer bought a Indian company to gain market access. And literally the first thing they did before streamlining the existing factory was invest in putting up a proper R&D setup here for Indian & African market, spending couple of hundred crores on the setup. This despite the Japanese company already being very good with motors and the Indian company too having mature products in motors. Indian companies with even 2 orders of magnitude more turnover and profitability will be reluctant to spend so much on R&D

Which is why it is very very rare to hear of any Indian Technological breakthrough that goes onto dominate its relevant market world over

Sadly, it is only DRDO and affiliated organizations doing any serious R&D inside the country with Pharma companies and some like Kalyani being the exception. Hope that changes in next couple of decades
 
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