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It is a precision targeted RFI :troll:
Maybe they want more Smerch or Himars or whatever
One criteria is the system should fire in-service rockets/ under development for in-service ammunition. We have Pinaka, guided pinaka, Pinaka 2, ER etc under development/in-service. Highly doubt any foreign system would allow such integration of under development indigenous ammunition.

Don't know about 6x6 vehicle. Else would have said this RFI is tailored made for new pinaka variants.

One thing to note is number of rockets each truck should carry is not mentioned. So there can be case of 6x6 pinaka carrying a single pod (6 missiles) similar to those 6x6 Himars configuration.
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Brahmos-ER with 800km range is only limited to ships it means?
Or that isn't in production with no orders as of yet?

So far it's been tested successfully

Ok did some googling and found out CCS approval has been given to purchase 220 Brahmos-ER missiles for Navy last year

The Cabinet Committee on Security has cleared Indian Navy’s proposals to buy 220 BrahMos extended-range missiles for its warships. The contract will be signed on March 05 and 220 BrahMos will be worth around Rs 20,000 crore. The extended-range BrahMos is speculated to have an extended range of around 800 km. This would be a major ‘Make in India’ success for the missile system built with Russia’s partnership. India’s BrahMos is a universal long-range supersonic cruise missile system that can be launched from land, sea, and air.


Navy tested Brahmos-ER from one of those Rajput-class destroyers in January 2024


A final maximum range of about 900 km for the missile was a reported objective of BrahMos Aerospace. The tripling in range since 2016 is also notable because the range extension can be applied to all variants of the missile, including the air launched variant. Older missiles limited to a range of 290 km can also be upgraded for extended range, though whether they can achieve the full 900 km range remains unclear.

The Roosis original missile has a variant called Oniks-M with a range of 800km so our Brahmos-ER should be close
 
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One criteria is the system should fire in-service rockets/ under development for in-service ammunition. We have Pinaka, guided pinaka, Pinaka 2, ER etc under development/in-service. Highly doubt any foreign system would allow such integration of under development indigenous ammunition.

Don't know about 6x6 vehicle. Else would have said this RFI is tailored made for new pinaka variants.

One thing to note is number of rockets each truck should carry is not mentioned. So there can be case of 6x6 pinaka carrying a single pod (6 missiles) similar to those 6x6 Himars configuration.
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Chinese literally have the perfect MLRS for these requirements, I present you SR5 MLRS

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Can fire, 122mm, 200mm+ and 300mm rockets as well. Can use loitering munitions including jet powered, a huge ass 610mm ballistic missile short range, an anti ship missile and a small land attack cruise missile.

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My dream for Indian artillery and rocket force to have medium MLRS like SR5 and heavy MLRS like PHL16.
We are a quarter way there with Pinaka, just need to make ATACMS like missile for it and dedicated loitering munitions. Probably need to work on making it self sufficient to work in single unit mode instead of whole battery to reduce signature on battlefield just like mobile launcher for Pralay where comms are integrated within launch vehicle.

We are yet to see the appeal of a heavy MLRS especially for rocket force and haven't even seen some kind of project in this field.
 
Chinese literally have the perfect MLRS for these requirements, I present you SR5 MLRS

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Can fire, 122mm, 200mm+ and 300mm rockets as well. Can use loitering munitions including jet powered, a huge ass 610mm ballistic missile short range, an anti ship missile and a small land attack cruise missile.

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My dream for Indian artillery and rocket force to have medium MLRS like SR5 and heavy MLRS like PHL16.
We are a quarter way there with Pinaka, just need to make ATACMS like missile for it and dedicated loitering munitions. Probably need to work on making it self sufficient to work in single unit mode instead of whole battery to reduce signature on battlefield just like mobile launcher for Pralay where comms are integrated within launch vehicle.

We are yet to see the appeal of a heavy MLRS especially for rocket force and haven't even seen some kind of project in this field.
I still struggle with the concept of 400 kmish Rockets. The CEP for 100 kmish Rockets is around ~60m.
God knows what the CEP for this class of rockets has. If the guidance is the same as that of a Missile, then what's the point of Rockets?
How is a rocket cheaper if it uses the same guidance propulsion, and by how much?
 
I still struggle with the concept of 400 kmish Rockets. The CEP for 100 kmish Rockets is around ~60m.
God knows what the CEP for this class of rockets has. If the guidance is the same as that of a Missile, then what's the point of Rockets?
How is a rocket cheaper if it uses the same guidance propulsion, and by how much?
Point of those rocket is clearing out populated areas.
It won't be useful against military bases.
 
Chinese literally have the perfect MLRS for these requirements, I present you SR5 MLRS

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Can fire, 122mm, 200mm+ and 300mm rockets as well. Can use loitering munitions including jet powered, a huge ass 610mm ballistic missile short range, an anti ship missile and a small land attack cruise missile.

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My dream for Indian artillery and rocket force to have medium MLRS like SR5 and heavy MLRS like PHL16.
We are a quarter way there with Pinaka, just need to make ATACMS like missile for it and dedicated loitering munitions. Probably need to work on making it self sufficient to work in single unit mode instead of whole battery to reduce signature on battlefield just like mobile launcher for Pralay where comms are integrated within launch vehicle.

We are yet to see the appeal of a heavy MLRS especially for rocket force and haven't even seen some kind of project in this field.
If we are talking really about War with China- then those 120MM Rockets @40-Km or 220MM Rockets @80-90 Km are useless. Because how exactly are we gonna use them?

Thinking about PLAGF Armor or troops on ground before even thinking about PLARF, PLAAF and PLA SAM is useless. The Skirmish/Battle with China would not be some mobilization as we see like those in conventional war where we field armored regiments and such. It would be something akin to what happened in Operation Sindoor. So, in such view, these short range rockets are useless. We need MASS to strike PLAAF bases first and later we can think about PLAGF brigades. No one can't mobilize their ground forces without air denial atleast.

Those 370-MM Rockets are also largely useless in a sense that they are not that accurate. Any effort at "Accurate-fying" those Rockets will lead to inevitable Missile.

What we need is Small Solid Fuel Ramjet Missile like Brahmos-Mini at 300-400Km @1.5-Tons and another larger heavier one like a beefed up Brahmos-Heavy at 1000-1200km @3.5-Tons.

Iam also skeptical of Terrain hugging Cruise Missiles like ITCM because the enviroment of High Altitude Himalayas would not make it feasible. Morever ITCM is not even stealthy one, once detected even an AA-Gun can take it down.

What we need is
1. Shahed like Drones with 1000+km Range
2. Brahmos-Mini @1.5-Ton, 300-400km Range
3. Brahmos-Heavy @3.5-Ton, 1000-1200km Range

and Nothing else. We should focus on these and do mass production, the more we add to zoo the more would be cost of each unit and non standardization. All those talks of long range MLRS is jhumla because they lack accuracy. Haven't we seen Brahmos striking at Pakistan Hangar? Can Rockets do that?
 
I still struggle with the concept of 400 kmish Rockets. The CEP for 100 kmish Rockets is around ~60m.
God knows what the CEP for this class of rockets has. If the guidance is the same as that of a Missile, then what's the point of Rockets?
How is a rocket cheaper if it uses the same guidance propulsion, and by how much?
~400 km rockets in service have similar accuracy as a missile, they are basically ~400km simple ballistic( No evasive or non ballistic flogjt paths) missiles, use in bulk
 
I still struggle with the concept of 400 kmish Rockets. The CEP for 100 kmish Rockets is around ~60m.
God knows what the CEP for this class of rockets has. If the guidance is the same as that of a Missile, then what's the point of Rockets?
How is a rocket cheaper if it uses the same guidance propulsion, and by how much?
Ability to mass fire and even if you add some kind of terminal correction via some kind of guidance, accuracy will be easily better than 30m cep or maybe 10m mark.
You should really ask why pinaka guided has worse cep than 10m of basic gmlrs.
I don't know how much cheaper but definitely better than a 400 km ballistic missile like ATACMS.
 
If we are talking really about War with China- then those 120MM Rockets @40-Km or 220MM Rockets @80-90 Km are useless. Because how exactly are we gonna use them?

Thinking about PLAGF Armor or troops on ground before even thinking about PLARF, PLAAF and PLA SAM is useless. The Skirmish/Battle with China would not be some mobilization as we see like those in conventional war where we field armored regiments and such. It would be something akin to what happened in Operation Sindoor. So, in such view, these short range rockets are useless. We need MASS to strike PLAAF bases first and later we can think about PLAGF brigades. No one can't mobilize their ground forces without air denial atleast.

Those 370-MM Rockets are also largely useless in a sense that they are not that accurate. Any effort at "Accurate-fying" those Rockets will lead to inevitable Missile.

What we need is Small Solid Fuel Ramjet Missile like Brahmos-Mini at 300-400Km @1.5-Tons and another larger heavier one like a beefed up Brahmos-Heavy at 1000-1200km @3.5-Tons.

Iam also skeptical of Terrain hugging Cruise Missiles like ITCM because the enviroment of High Altitude Himalayas would not make it feasible. Morever ITCM is not even stealthy one, once detected even an AA-Gun can take it down.

What we need is
1. Shahed like Drones with 1000+km Range
2. Brahmos-Mini @1.5-Ton, 300-400km Range
3. Brahmos-Heavy @3.5-Ton, 1000-1200km Range

and Nothing else. We should focus on these and do mass production, the more we add to zoo the more would be cost of each unit and non standardization. All those talks of long range MLRS is jhumla because they lack accuracy. Haven't we seen Brahmos striking at Pakistan Hangar? Can Rockets do that?
I for one believe that China will definitely go for longer war if they think that eventually they will win. They are not us, like goody Bois who think peaceguru is only option. I don't see this skirmish crap happening and if it only remains a skirmish then pretty sure we would be defeated ones asking for peace Aman Shanti, yuudha ka bhi Buddha ka time falana dhikna.

1. 370mm rockets are not accurate, ask that to the target on which it would fall in future. Doubting Chinese capability when they are flying four 5 or 5+ gen planes is just so......
Just tell we why are they not accurate?

2. Thinking that no long war would happen with China is a recipe for failure itself.

3. Guided lower/higher calibre rockets are plenty useful for precision target of incoming enemy forces whatever it is. And pretty good to target enemy artillery, command post etc etc.

4.. I see plenty useful space for subsonic missiles on the eastern part of border.

5. Yes rockets can strike as accurately as brahmos, give them a basic eo/iir seeker.

6. Developing these will be good against Pak as well.
 
Astra mk4 project started already
My nibba I would like to know more on the details of this project and pretty sure the project name should be different, even so called Astra mk3 is actually gandiva as it is no way a variant of basic astra.
 
My nibba I would like to know more on the details of this project and pretty sure the project name should be different, even so called Astra mk3 is actually gandiva as it is no way a variant of basic astra.

The only source is idrw.
But the missile is supposed to have solid rocket motors with 3 or even 4 pulses for longer range(200-250+km) instead of air breathing ramjet( which is a welcome move, because while ramjets do help a lot in energy retention and range but just like any air breathing engine they don't like when the airflow to engine is disturbed, hence relatively limited maneuverability compared to solid rocket motor missiles).
Along with sensors/seeker that will be much more effective against stealth targets compared to current sensors.

Gandiva will primarly be awacs killer( relatively slower, larger and less manurable target) type missile with secondary role as a long range A2A missile against fighter jets, astra mk4 will be opposite.
 
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