DRDO and PSUs

[Hawkeye]

As far as I am aware these are all the rounds we are working on, which covers the entire spectrum

Next Gen PCB Shell (Penetration Cum Blast)

Next Gen HRAP Shell (Hybrid Rocket Assisted Projectile)

Next Gen HE Shell (High Explosive)

Next Gen HE-BB Shell (High Explosive Base Bleed)

Next Gen DPICM Shell (Dual-purpose improved conventional munition) (submunitions)

Next Gen Smoke Shell

Next Gen Illuminating Shell

Ramjet Powered Shell
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Guided Artillery Shell

Aero India 2025: DRDO unveils 155 mm guided projectile

India's Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) unveiled a prototype of a new 155 mm guided projectile for Bharat Forge Limited's (BFL's) 155 mm/52 calibre...

www.janes.com

Hope army also asks for drdo to make something like BONUS and Smart 155mm ammo for anti armour ammo. That's the next evolution after DPICM for anti armour application.
Also, I don't think Ramjet powered arty shell is worth it given that explosive content would be very minimal. Only if this has sub-meter level accuracy and some kind of terminal seeker while also being very long range like 100+km, this shell would be worth it for only limited applications like targeting enemy vehicles, radars, AD stuff and long range fires platforms. Also, highly doubt Ramjet shell would be good for anti bunker role.
Anyway, packaging all this stuff inside a arty shell will be a colossal challenge in itself.

Also, any idea what happened to that TGM terminally guided munition requirement from army which was floated under make1 or 2. They asked industry to develop them while not roping in Drdo.
This is different from CCF requirement. I doubt anyone has even shown a model of TGM though for CCF, many exists.

 

[Suga]

MTU MB 838 Ka-501 V10 liquid-cooled turbocharged diesel engines used by Arjun MK1/MK1A are out of production and will take 4-5 years to manufacture.

Meanwhile DRDO is moving ahead with DATRAN 1500HP engines for deployment post 2028.


View: https://x.com/alpha_defense/status/1870743041658740949

Why it should go to UK for design recalibration? If we serous about MIC, definitely need to up the ante regarding testing and designing infrastructure.

 

[fire starter]

View: https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1931228417401422026?t=-7YZATrULbeHMiVESoGQPA&s=19

 

[redpanda]

View: https://x.com/Firezstarter1/status/1931228417401422026?t=-7YZATrULbeHMiVESoGQPA&s=19

Well it's an under development weapon. You are bound to put it through trials. Aise hi thodi induct kar lenge. If they rush and tomorrows it fails, same people would cry we can't even develop a good BVRAAM..All I want is after those trials induction & production should be faster.

 

[liberalredditor]

Well it's an under development weapon. You are bound to put it through trials. Aise hi thodi induct kar lenge. If they rush and tomorrows it fails, same people would cry we can't even develop a good BVRAAM..All I want is after those trials induction & production should be faster.

even to guide it to 300+ km with tejas or rafale you would need awacs in numbers, which is not the case with india
uttam mk1 caps at 230 km, awacs would be able to send it to 300+
only super sukhoi would be able to self guide it to the locked target at 300+ range

 

[redpanda]

even to guide it to 300+ km with tejas or rafale you would need awacs in numbers, which is not the case with india
uttam mk1 caps at 230 km, awacs would be able to send it to 300+
only super sukhoi would be able to self guide it to the locked target at 300+ range

Yeah we need more AWACs. Doesn't Netra have 475 km something range in Extended mode?

Meanwhile Saab Erieye's maximum instrumentation range is just 450 km.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Yeah we need more AWACs. Doesn't Netra have 475 km something range in Extended mode?

Meanwhile Saab Erieye's maximum instrumentation range is just 450 km.
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I think the AAMs we use are the bottleneck. With Meteor, it supports Link-16 but I don't think Link-16 is in IAF ecosystem (except Rafale and Mirages) and not being used on the AEW&Cs. We have Russian datalink (Vega) in IAF ecosystem and being used on Phalcon AEW&Cs but R-77-1 and R-27 don't have the capability to take updates from AEW&Cs via russian datalink.

ASTRA should or can be easily modified to support BNET based IAF datalink that is coming up. In comparison, BNET is supposed to be much superior to Link-16, Russian & Chinese datalink.

Air War Game-Changer: Sweden Set to Deliver Ukraine’s First AEW&C Aircraft

Ukraine’s first airborne early warning and control aircraft to be delivered once Kyiv’s F-16s get Link-16 tactical network mods – allowing the Vipers to engage enemy aircraft before they are targeted.

www.kyivpost.com

Once modified the resulting data can be automatically uploaded via the Link-16 system to provide targeting information to the F-16s. This will allow them to engage enemy aircraft with the AIM-120D Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missiles (AMRAAM) without the need to support the missile with their own fire control radar (FCR) before the missile takes over with its own active guidance. This enables the F-16s to take shots on any axis and at longer ranges.

 

[liberalredditor]

Yeah we need more AWACs. Doesn't Netra have 475 km something range in Extended mode?

Meanwhile Saab Erieye's maximum instrumentation range is just 450 km.
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seeing the target @500 km is other thing and locking it is other thing, mk1 netra would go for max 400-450 km locking, thats good
hoping for extension in mk1a and an os upgrade too, windows xp would be to ancient for awacs built in this era

also why dont they choose linux??? it is lighter and much more safe and we can make a distro according to our defence needs easily. is there any necessity to choose burgerland windows??

 

[liberalredditor]

although shouldnt trust idrw but they reported that mk1a would get GaN aaau and not mk1's GaAs so pretty much sums up that range would go upwards of 500

anyone has any idea that what all would be upgraded in netra mk1a?

and what all aditional things would be in mk2

 

[darkflame]

View: https://x.com/Varun55484761/status/1931245445902111133
Astra mk2 is still in devlopment trials, user trials would take place after this. At the very least 2years away from induction.

 

[DancingPeacock]

I have a peculiar Idea. What if we strap a Interceptor Missile like Barak-8 on a Shahed kind of drone that loiters over a area for 24-Hours? We put 100s of such Interceptors with 1000s of Shaheds just roaming the sky and enemy doesn't know which has missile.

The Enemy can neutralize ground-based SAM with plethora of Drones, Glide Bombs, Artillery, MLRS, SRBM, TBMs, FPV or Babayaga Drones(5th-Column Sabotage), Fighters with Bombs, AGMs, ARMs- so many options.

But to neutralize a Loitering Drone very well in our territory atleast out of Pakis AA-Guns if any at some 20,000-ft altitude- they are persistant, always on move. All the above mentioned munitions are useless with except for SAM and AAM. SAM and AAMs are too costly for enemy to even imagine using them against such munitions. You may ask what's the even use of such when you can just haul them on ground vehicles?

Since they are at a altitude of atleast 20,000ft loitering in sky-

1. SURVIVABILITY: Nothing except SAM and AAM can now take out our drones. The Enemy can see each and everything clearly but how will they even neutralize all of them?
2. Due to it being in the sky and having some initial velocity- the reaction time will be faster against enemy aircraft.
3. Such Missiles can also be used to intercept incoming very long range BVRs. Imagine these loitering munition laden interceptors as first wall and only beyond this our own AWACS operate.
4. Our own fighters can use these munitions in the sky as practically a 3D terrain.


These won't be one time. They can be recovered and fill in fuel and launched again. Ofcourse enemy may target Radar Sites on the ground. That's valid. But add on to lessening possibility of strike on SAM Missile Batteries, these can essentially communicate with AWACS or fighters or any Radar to launch their munition against incoming enemy.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://youtu.be/cq-ZRFUwjcg?si=JnAHcx7DvLIwtKhX

Interview of Sudhir Kumar Mishra ex CEO & MD - BAPL by Snehesh Alex Philip on the story right from how the project & company was conceived to the challenges it faced to the product itself tracing an evolutionary path to today and what will the future of it look like.

Very good watch .

 

[chnvipgz]

New supersonic flights soon.Means india must focus on turbofan and turbojet engines.


View: https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1931114761674207585?t=lyRxjPs0azYaXhk5qdxwSg&s=19

going mach 4.5 .is this true?

BrahMos Corporation to Test Upgraded Ramjet Engine for Mach 4.5 Speeds - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: RAUNAK KUNDE / NEWS BEAT / IDRW.ORG BrahMos Aerospace, the India-Russia joint venture behind the formidable BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, is set to push the boundaries of missile technology with a tweaked ramjet engine designed to propel the missile to speeds exceeding Mach 4.5...

idrw.org

 

[ezsasa]

I have a peculiar Idea. What if we strap a Interceptor Missile like Barak-8 on a Shahed kind of drone that loiters over a area for 24-Hours? We put 100s of such Interceptors with 1000s of Shaheds just roaming the sky and enemy doesn't know which has missile.

The Enemy can neutralize ground-based SAM with plethora of Drones, Glide Bombs, Artillery, MLRS, SRBM, TBMs, FPV or Babayaga Drones(5th-Column Sabotage), Fighters with Bombs, AGMs, ARMs- so many options.

But to neutralize a Loitering Drone very well in our territory atleast out of Pakis AA-Guns if any at some 20,000-ft altitude- they are persistant, always on move. All the above mentioned munitions are useless with except for SAM and AAM. SAM and AAMs are too costly for enemy to even imagine using them against such munitions. You may ask what's the even use of such when you can just haul them on ground vehicles?

Since they are at a altitude of atleast 20,000ft loitering in sky-

1. SURVIVABILITY: Nothing except SAM and AAM can now take out our drones. The Enemy can see each and everything clearly but how will they even neutralize all of them?
2. Due to it being in the sky and having some initial velocity- the reaction time will be faster against enemy aircraft.
3. Such Missiles can also be used to intercept incoming very long range BVRs. Imagine these loitering munition laden interceptors as first wall and only beyond this our own AWACS operate.
4. Our own fighters can use these munitions in the sky as practically a 3D terrain.


These won't be one time. They can be recovered and fill in fuel and launched again. Ofcourse enemy may target Radar Sites on the ground. That's valid. But add on to lessening possibility of strike on SAM Missile Batteries, these can essentially communicate with AWACS or fighters or any Radar to launch their munition against incoming enemy.

good one concept wise, if i may add a bit:

- instead of entire barak 8 strapped, it can save weight by carry 50-60 kg AD warhead with a proximity fuse, this AD-av can align itself in the path of incoming missile and go off when missile warhead comes in proximity, guided by radar where possible.
- i suppose there will be a need for two way data link for course correction to, communication with the hive(other ad-av flying nearby), and for radar guidance.
- hive in full strength can look something like, a swirling tornado.
- can also be launched in single digit numbers, against incoming slow moving UCAV and kamikaze drones.

 

[Azaad]

good one concept wise, if i may add a bit:

- instead of entire barak 8 strapped, it can save weight by carry 50-60 kg AD warhead with a proximity fuse, this AD-av can align itself in the path of incoming missile and go off when missile warhead comes in proximity, guided by radar where possible.
- i suppose there will be a need for two way data link for course correction to, communication with the hive(other ad-av flying nearby), and for radar guidance.
- hive in full strength can look something like, a swirling tornado.
- can also be launched in single digit numbers, against incoming slow moving UCAV and kamikaze drones.


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Why go thru all that trouble? Strap an ATGM with suitable modifications to the drone or power the ULPGM with a rocket motor . Should be good enough for a range of 4-8 kms.

 

[snakeeyes07]

good one concept wise, if i may add a bit:

- instead of entire barak 8 strapped, it can save weight by carry 50-60 kg AD warhead with a proximity fuse, this AD-av can align itself in the path of incoming missile and go off when missile warhead comes in proximity, guided by radar where possible.
- i suppose there will be a need for two way data link for course correction to, communication with the hive(other ad-av flying nearby), and for radar guidance.
- hive in full strength can look something like, a swirling tornado.
- can also be launched in single digit numbers, against incoming slow moving UCAV and kamikaze drones.


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Another concept that I see potential of based on recent skirmish is of mobile independent SAM units of 80-100km range, something like QRSAM or Akash-NG (first mobile launcher) which can be dispersed close to the border 20-25 km depth (plain area) and fire at very short notice.

Emission wise they remain silent and are interlinked with ASP network and take target of opportunities. If they need to provide target updates until SAM goes pitbull, that would be less than 5 minute of vulnerability. Ideally, these SAMs should be able to receive target updates from other fire control radar further behind, then there is minimal vulnerability.

This will give less reaction time to PAF and push them further deep into their territory, it will threaten them from unexpected direction.

Also, could play a role in managing stealth threats if they come close or cross border. Let's say if VHF radar detects J35 then mobile SAM unit can emit it's fire control radar and being so close to it might actually be able to track it and fire SAM at it.

 

[liberalredditor]

modifications should be made to current launchers as when saturation would happen then you wont get time to refill the launcher
it usually take hours to refill the launcher again

3 aakash per launcher is bad idea

 

[chnvipgz]

Our drdo should have a research journals like these.

https://caod.oriprobe.com/journals/djyzdxb/Journal_of_Projectiles__Rockets__Missiles_and_Guidance.htm

 

[randombully]

New supersonic flights soon.Means india must focus on turbofan and turbojet engines.


View: https://x.com/PalmerLuckey/status/1931114761674207585?t=lyRxjPs0azYaXhk5qdxwSg&s=19

going mach 4.5 .is this true?

BrahMos Corporation to Test Upgraded Ramjet Engine for Mach 4.5 Speeds - Indian Defence Research Wing

SOURCE: RAUNAK KUNDE / NEWS BEAT / IDRW.ORG BrahMos Aerospace, the India-Russia joint venture behind the formidable BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, is set to push the boundaries of missile technology with a tweaked ramjet engine designed to propel the missile to speeds exceeding Mach 4.5...

idrw.org

Yeah, they have been developing a near hypersonic version of brahmos by modifying existing "ramjet" engine for few years now.

 

[liberalredditor]

Our drdo should have a research journals like these.

https://caod.oriprobe.com/journals/djyzdxb/Journal_of_Projectiles__Rockets__Missiles_and_Guidance.htm

drdo's journals shouldnt be public at all, they shouldnt tell a bit in public

let everything remain secretive