DRDO and PSU's

[Ayan Barat]

This is just a simple HMS, not an HMDS.

Excuse me Sir, do you have a moment to talk about our lord the savoir Jesus Christ?
For love of him, remove two more letters from HMS

Holy fuck is this thing ugly and impractical to use, no wonder the IAF prefers the yahoodi HMDS
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> The integrated helmet mask assembly has been designed to...
> Defence Bio-Engineering & Electro Medical Laboratory...

How on earth would a lab tasked with bio-engineering and medical design suddenly come up with Helmet Mounted Sight and Display!? Read the first line slowly, they've designed just the H of a HMDS. The round shiny thingy with inside comfy thingy one puts on. That's it.

And the attached HMDS in the pic that you're calling ugly and impractical is definitely both of that but not because it was designed by DRDO; but because designed in early 1980s it's the world's very first proper HMD system.

That's almost half a century old Russian Shchel-3UM HMD, first fielded on MiG-29s.

How does it compare to available contemporary HMDS and the ones touted for the jf17? And what do we use for LCA?

I could care less about looks at this point, as long as they deliver a product that is in line with the current threat perceptions and capabilities we need from such a helmet

I hope you got your answer.

 

[DumbPilot]

DRDO devloped HMDS

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Holy fuck is this thing ugly and impractical to use, no wonder the IAF prefers the yahoodi HMDS
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Straight up copy of the Soviet HMCS(helmet mounted cueing system) lol. That thing is ass

 

[Vishnugupt]

Apaches were never suitable for high altitudes which is one of the reasons Prachand came into existence. They were always meant for CAS in the plains & deserts between India & Paxtan as air cavalry .

Since cost & dependancies on the US are a factor procurement will be limited & they will be supplemented with the Prachand which is to be acquired in huge numbers to cater to the same areas as the Apaches as well as high altitude warfare. There're no alternative to the sheer firepower the Apache brings to the battlefield.

Why exactly were they flying in that sector & will continue to is unknown but there has to be a justified reason for it. You aren't going to see them much in action across the LAC once hostilities break out.

If Apache is not useful in Himalay then why it was brought at first place?? What the use of it massive, ultramodern, super duper power when you can't use it at need???

If LCH is the answer in Himalay then Where is LCH?? I can't see any LCH either.

Basically UN Generals spent 3 billion dollar for nothing??

I can't see logic, I can't see utility, I can't see even single positive thing except a word "super duper mighty Apache"

Jai General, Jai Hind
F*ck DRDO, HAL, Babus.

 

[Blood+]

If Apache is not useful in Himalay then why it was brought at first place?? What the use of it massive, ultramodern, super duper power when you can't use it at need???

For the plains of Punjab and Gujarat and the deserts of Rajasthan, against Pakistani Army's armored formations.

If LCH is the answer in Himalay then Where is LCH?? I can't see any LCH either.

Wasn't the order already placed??

Basically UN Generals spent 3 billion dollar for nothing??

Nah, these could be quite useful against PA tank columns, especially with that lovely Longbow radar.

 

[ezsasa]

If Apache is not useful in Himalay then why it was brought at first place?? What the use of it massive, ultramodern, super duper power when you can't use it at need???

usefulness of apache is not just about bang bang.

while at this point in time, we don't know if this particular grounded apache had longbow or not. but we do know that apache longbow has been deployed in ladakh from news reports.

one radar sweep, and long bow maps out hundreds of targets in vicinity, these targets are relayed to other apaches. in our case, i don't know if mapped targets can be transferred to ground units.

product description of longbow FCR from OEM.
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Longbow's Primary Combat Targeting Modes​

The FCR's primary combat targeting modes include Ground Target Mode (GTM), Air Targeting Mode (ATM), and a new Maritime Targeting Mode (MTM) for the AH-64E. These modes provide rapid detection to engagement timelines. The FCR performs wide area search, precise detection, location and classification of up to 256 simultaneous moving and stationary targets. From these, the system then prioritizes the top 16 targets for immediate evaluation and, if desired, engagement by the aircrew. This system enables the potent Apache attack helicopter to prosecute targets day or night, in adverse weather and obscured conditions.

Additional modes include Terrain Profile Mode, which significantly aids aircrew situational awareness to avoid terrain and large obstacles under degraded environments, including weather and battlefield conditions; and Target Location Cueing to the Apache's Modernized Target Acquisition Designation System (MTADS) for positive target identification.

In addition to the new Maritime Targeting Mode, other significant advanced capabilities provided to the AH-64E include: Doubling target detection ranges from the original 8 km to 16 km (4X increased detection volume) - further extending crucial situational awareness; 360 degree surveillance and single target track across land, air and sea missions and improved detection of smaller unmanned aerial vehicles.





apache with Longbow deployed in ladakh

 

[SKC]

Straight up copy of the Soviet HMCS(helmet mounted cueing system) lol. That thing is ass

I see no harm but that should have been done ages back already and come up with latest up to date versions by now.

 

[DumbPilot]

I see no harm but that should have been done ages back already and come up with latest up to date versions by now.

especially the rest of our aircraft systems are westernized. Now that we have experience with ELBIT DASH and the Rafale HMDS, maybe in the future we will have better systems of our own

 

[SKC]

especially the rest of our aircraft systems are westernized. Now that we have experience with ELBIT DASH and the Rafale HMDS, maybe in the future we will have better systems of our own

We are really slow with indigenizing the equipments of foreign purchased stuff. We are always trying to re-invent the wheel in order to become self reliant and bash Chinese on copying the stuff from Russians and making their own version.
But see their progress, they initially copied the stuff but later came up with updates which are often better and more up to date then Russians themselves.​

 

[username unkown]

We are really slow with indigenizing the equipments of foreign purchased stuff. We are always trying to re-invent the wheel in order to become self reliant and bash Chinese on copying the stuff from Russians and making their own version.
But see their progress, they initially copied the stuff but later came up with updates which are often better and more up to date then Russians themselves.​

There is no problem in Copying small system like small arms and electronics and optics on bigger things like aircraft, tanks innovation is needed and important
Copying sub component is not bad its good in long term

 

[Vishnugupt]

For the plains of Punjab and Gujarat and the deserts of Rajasthan, against Pakistani Army's armored formations.


Wasn't the order already placed??

Nah, these could be quite useful against PA tank columns, especially with that lovely Longbow radar.

You mean now LCH can't work in plain field??

Or UN Generals need two types of helicopter for 2 requirements??

 

[Vishnugupt]

usefulness of apache is not just about bang bang.

while at this point in time, we don't know if this particular grounded apache had longbow or not. but we do know that apache longbow has been deployed in ladakh from news reports.

one radar sweep, and long bow maps out hundreds of targets in vicinity, these targets are relayed to other apaches. in our case, i don't know if mapped targets can be transferred to ground units.

product description of longbow FCR from OEM.
=====

Longbow's Primary Combat Targeting Modes​

The FCR's primary combat targeting modes include Ground Target Mode (GTM), Air Targeting Mode (ATM), and a new Maritime Targeting Mode (MTM) for the AH-64E. These modes provide rapid detection to engagement timelines. The FCR performs wide area search, precise detection, location and classification of up to 256 simultaneous moving and stationary targets. From these, the system then prioritizes the top 16 targets for immediate evaluation and, if desired, engagement by the aircrew. This system enables the potent Apache attack helicopter to prosecute targets day or night, in adverse weather and obscured conditions.

Additional modes include Terrain Profile Mode, which significantly aids aircrew situational awareness to avoid terrain and large obstacles under degraded environments, including weather and battlefield conditions; and Target Location Cueing to the Apache's Modernized Target Acquisition Designation System (MTADS) for positive target identification.

In addition to the new Maritime Targeting Mode, other significant advanced capabilities provided to the AH-64E include: Doubling target detection ranges from the original 8 km to 16 km (4X increased detection volume) - further extending crucial situational awareness; 360 degree surveillance and single target track across land, air and sea missions and improved detection of smaller unmanned aerial vehicles.

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apache with Longbow deployed in ladakh
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So no other substitute for area scanning?? We spent 3 billion for scanning??

 

[Ayan Barat]

So no other substitute for area scanning?? We spent 3 billion for scanning??

Go through what he has written

In short, currently there isn't a single helicopter in active service that can pop above a ridge line, fire a salvo of 16 ATGMs without even looking, turn around as soon as possible and guide each one of them to different target all while doing evasive maneuvers.

On the contrary most attack helicopters need to keep hovering until the ATGM hits its target. And then repeat it for each ATGM. Even in best case scenario a Ka-52 would need to hover for 2 minutes to engage 8 targets at a distance of 8km. And this can result in something like this

View: https://x.com/UAWeapons/status/1511292509619568640?s=19

 

[Flanker]

View: https://x.com/amcaji/status/1839604504079081522

 

[Blood+]

You mean now LCH can't work in plain field??

No, but they won't be as effective as the AH-64Es with their Longbow radars would.