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Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL) has developed a new Truck-Mounted Howitzer (TMH) based on the ATAGS.

Will compete with drdo MGS based on BEML chassis for army requirements.

Looks like it
But in TATA's THM the gun can rotate sideways/horizontal(traverse) on its axis, allowing it to functions as traditional towed artillary along with shoot and scoot of self propelled artillary, along with storing more ammo.
With drdo kalyani mgs, traverse angle is limited, entire truck needs rotate for large changes in traverse.
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You can see in both photos the gun is rotated 180° , 1st pix facing forward, 2nd one facing backwards.
Though it also looks like(not confirmed), that gun can't be operated from inside the cabin, will need to be operated similar to towed atags.
These pictures of the Tata MGS are of the old Tata-Denel MGS. This project couldn’t proceed further as Denel was blacklisted by MoD.
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The same gun mounted on a Tatra 8x8.
 
regd testbed situation, i know it's late but,
could we have used retiring Tu-144s as testbed for Kaveri derivatives, like, remove bomb bay on its belly and attach KDE module below, it does seem huge enough with payload capacity to carry one engine and giving that it served diligently in indian environment we could have benefited that way too

Tu-144 is pretty analog in nature. Will cost excessive money to redevelop into Test bed. Also, it is an prop plane and we are planning to test Gas turbine. It may complicate the fueling systems, power generations.

The best bet is to sacrifice one IL-76 Upgraded version from IAF as Test bed. You have the plane, DRDO, CABS have the experience of modification of testbeds. It is very similar to existing IL76 testbeds of Russians, meaning we can get similar experience.

But it will cost some money and MOD babus were happy to not spend the money.


Looks like it
But in TATA's THM the gun can rotate sideways/horizontal(traverse) on its axis, allowing it to functions as traditional towed artillary along with shoot and scoot of self propelled artillary, along with storing more ammo.
With drdo kalyani mgs, traverse angle is limited, entire truck needs rotate for large changes in traverse.
View attachment 42644
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You can see in both photos the gun is rotated 180° , 1st pix facing forward, 2nd one facing backwards.
Though it also looks like(not confirmed), that gun can't be operated from inside the cabin, will need to be operated similar to towed atags.


Basically, this is the different iteration of the Self propelled artillery, where the artillery is more independent than the one in MGS.
 
These pictures of the Tata MGS are of the old Tata-Denel MGS. This project couldn’t proceed further as Denel was blacklisted by MoD.

But in recent times, there seems to be an Artillery system being tested by TATA and OFB. The Gun system is Dhanush. No detailed information is available.
 
regd testbed situation, i know it's late but,
could we have used retiring Tu-144s as testbed for Kaveri derivatives, like, remove bomb bay on its belly and attach KDE module below, it does seem huge enough with payload capacity to carry one engine and giving that it served diligently in indian environment we could have benefited that way too

Tu-144 is pretty analog in nature. Will cost excessive money to redevelop into Test bed. Also, it is an prop plane and we are planning to test Gas turbine. It may complicate the fueling systems, power generations.

The best bet is to sacrifice one IL-76 Upgraded version from IAF as Test bed. You have the plane, DRDO, CABS have the experience of modification of testbeds. It is very similar to existing IL76 testbeds of Russians, meaning we can get similar experience.

But it will cost some money and MOD babus were happy to not spend the money.





Basically, this is the different iteration of the Self propelled artillery, where the artillery is more independent than the one in MGS.
Read this article to see the intricacies and modifications needed for a Flying Test Bed.
 
These pictures of the Tata MGS are of the old Tata-Denel MGS. This project couldn’t proceed further as Denel was blacklisted by MoD.
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The same gun mounted on a Tatra 8x8.

Yeah, they are pitching the same thing against drdo mgs.
Tata Advanced Systems Limited says, they have improved their truck mounted howitzer based on experience gained in atags program.
Probably replacing the denel gun with dhanush or atags.
 

Yeah, they are pitching the same thing against drdo mgs.
Tata Advanced Systems Limited says, they have improved their truck mounted howitzer based on experience gained in atags program.
Probably replacing the denel gun with dhanush or atags.
I don’t think without significant modifications can the ATAGS gun be mounted in the same manner as the Denel one, same for the Dhanush.
 
I don’t think without significant modifications can the ATAGS gun be mounted in the same manner as the Denel one, same for the Dhanush.
I mean yeah, that's a given.
But from what we know, they will still retain the similar configuration as denel gun.
With independent Howitzer mounted on a truck, with full 360° horizontal traverse.
 
Never knew that ATAGS can revolve it's whole gun mechanism around it's own axis without needing tyres to change the position, cool.
 
@randombully @Binayak95 can we make a surface2surface anti radiation missile? like what if we integrate a solid booster on rudram 2/3 or what if pralay is modified for anti radiation roles, is it possible? and is there any such missile in the world?
 
, is it possible?
Yeah, not hard at all.
and is there any such missile in the world?
There's no widely fielded anti radiation missile that isn't launched from an aircraft.

American used their Tomahawk missiles to destroy lots of fixed radar sites during gulf war.
In recent operation sindoor, we used brahmos to destroy fixed pakistani radar sites.
In both cases neither missile had any anti radiation warhead, as their target was a in fixed position.

Missiles with Anti radiation seeker, are primarly used to follow "real time" radar emission from an active radar, in most cases a mobile radar or a hidden radar.
While you can also use them against radars with known position or fixed radar, but regular missiles can do the job just fine.
Pairing them with aircraft, gives very high mobility and fast response time.

There were many proposals in past for modification of ground/ship launched missiles with an Anti radiation seeker, but all were rejected, as given the limited mobility and slow response time, these platforms need to be quite lucky to be at the right place at the right time to use those missiles, and against radar sites whose locations are already known normal missiles will do just fine.

Also modern aesa seekers can act as anti-radiation seeker to a significant extent, with good enough optimization you can make a aesa seeker that can function as both an active seeker and a passive radiation seeker.
All latest/in development air to air missiles, surface to air missiles, anti ship missiles etc will most likely feature it.
American aim 260 jatm in later stages of development right now, is rumored to have dual use.

In future you may Even see specifically made anti-radiation seekers go out of fashion, replaced by optimised dual use aesa seeker.

Aesa seekers can also be used for jamming.

Modern fighter jets with aesa radar also use their radar in passive silent mode to detect any incoming active radar radiation, giving away the location of radar emiting aircraft.


Though there is one exception, ground launched loitering munitions, given their ability to loiter in air, they compensate a lot for lack of mobility and slow response time of ground based assets in this case.

Israeli origin harpy drone is one such example, which we also used in Operation sindoor
 
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Israeli origin harpy drone is one such example
it worked in porkistan because they are idiot. harop was slow in comparison to a missile, the drone can be easily shot down by a capable force, 10-12 mach missile would not
 
it worked in porkistan because they are idiot. harop was slow in comparison to a missile, the drone can be easily shot down by a capable force, 10-12 mach missile would not
Drones are cheap.
Harpy drones cost 70k-100k per unit.
You can over whelm a sam sites with numbers alone.
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For it to be shot down, It needs to be detected, tracked, missile fired at it, that is enough for seeker of drones like haroop to detect the radiation and send the data to user.
Then another harpy/haroop also loitering can target the radar that is shooting the first harpy, or a arm missile from a fighter can be fired.

We also used harpies & haroop as a bait to lure out pakistani mobile SAM sites, so that's another use case.
 
Amreeki dolllar.
4 million my ass.
Brahmos itself cost 3-5 million
Astra mk1 costs 700k-1million dollars.
A US tomahawk missile 2-3 million dollars each.

Haroop cost 500k-700k dollars.
Harpy 70k-100k.
in future we can replace harop and harpy with the csir-nal shahed drone?
 
@randombully @Binayak95 can we make a surface2surface anti radiation missile? like what if we integrate a solid booster on rudram 2/3 or what if pralay is modified for anti radiation roles, is it possible? and is there any such missile in the world?
youre effectively talking of a rocket boosted Loitering Munition.

Anti Radiation Missiles are one component of a radar defeat/destroy system. the more important and vital part is the pilot/wso sitting in the plane using ELINT and EW systems to track, analyse and decide when and what to employ as a weapon. Listen to the fighter pilot podcast episode on Wild Weasels. Anything can be made an anti radiation weapon, the key is to locate it, understand its weakness and then employ tactics to come in and knock it out.

If you want to automate all of that, you need to be able to loiter in air over or near enemy radar - ergo Harpy harop like solutions.
 

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