Electronics and Semiconductor Manufacturing Industry

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Canon and Nikon have DUV machines which can itch upto only 14nm node chips. The companies which are building fabs should evaluate machines from all the 3 companies ASML, Canon, and Nikon. Which one has low down time, less maintenance, cost of servicing, cost of replacing parts, cost to buy, yield on each wafer etc before deciding which one to buy. I hope they buy few from ASML and few from Canon as they would be familiar with working on both kinds of machines. We anyway need ASML machines beyond 14nm node since Canon and Nikon don't have EUV machines.
 
concard said:
Canon and Nikon have DUV machines which can itch upto only 14nm node chips. The companies which are building fabs should evaluate machines from all the 3 companies ASML, Canon, and Nikon. Which one has low down time, less maintenance, cost of servicing, cost of replacing parts, cost to buy, yield on each wafer etc before deciding which one to buy. I hope they buy few from ASML and few from Canon as they would be familiar with working on both kinds of machines. We anyway need ASML machines beyond 14nm node since Canon and Nikon don't have EUV machines.
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TumAapHum said:
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They seem to be claiming 5nm on technicality. In reality it can do 14nm comfortably. We anyway are not going to be making cutting edge chips. We need to be self reliant in FPGA's, Microcontrollers, and ASIC's. 14nm node is more than enough to make them. Many applications still use 90nm, 65nm, 45nm node to make these chips. We are starting with 28nm. This means we can pack more transistors and more functionalities in a single chip.
 
concard said:
Canon and Nikon have DUV machines which can itch upto only 14nm node chips. The companies which are building fabs should evaluate machines from all the 3 companies ASML, Canon, and Nikon. Which one has low down time, less maintenance, cost of servicing, cost of replacing parts, cost to buy, yield on each wafer etc before deciding which one to buy. I hope they buy few from ASML and few from Canon as they would be familiar with working on both kinds of machines. We anyway need ASML machines beyond 14nm node since Canon and Nikon don't have EUV machines.
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I don't think we will get EUV anyway. By the time in 15 years we gain experience in DUV upto 6nm, we probably won't be in good terms with US or suffering some kind of shadow embargo related to EUV.
 
concard said:
Canon and Nikon have DUV machines which can itch upto only 14nm node chips. The companies which are building fabs should evaluate machines from all the 3 companies ASML, Canon, and Nikon. Which one has low down time, less maintenance, cost of servicing, cost of replacing parts, cost to buy, yield on each wafer etc before deciding which one to buy. I hope they buy few from ASML and few from Canon as they would be familiar with working on both kinds of machines. We anyway need ASML machines beyond 14nm node since Canon and Nikon don't have EUV machines.
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It’s ok. 14 nm is a huge improvement over 28 nm. We will get the EUV eventually but we need to build a manufacturing base. We cannot run without learning to walk and we cannot walk without learning to crawl.
 
concard said:
They seem to be claiming 5nm on technicality. In reality it can do 14nm comfortably. We anyway are not going to be making cutting edge chips. We need to be self reliant in FPGA's, Microcontrollers, and ASIC's. 14nm node is more than enough to make them. Many applications still use 90nm, 65nm, 45nm node to make these chips. We are starting with 28nm. This means we can pack more transistors and more functionalities in a single chip.
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They are using a different process altogether, i.e. Nanoimprint lithography as opposed to euv lithography. Its still unproven in mass fabrication. Although its Japan but the tech may still be outside of US technology denial bounds. If so, then India must take a serious look at it.
 
Gutenmorgen said:
They are using a different process altogether, i.e. Nanoimprint lithography as opposed to euv lithography. Its still unproven in mass fabrication. Although its Japan but the tech may still be outside of US technology denial bounds. If so, then India must take a serious look at it.
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Great if that is the case. We anyway cannot even start making chips at 14nm. We are starting at 28nm. Once we have built up skills and ecosystem and in the meantime Japan has developed that technology we can take a look and go for it. Let's hope by 2035 all the electronics we consume are made in the country and hopefully we can hit $1 Trillion in electronic exports alone.
 
ArjunMK1A said:
Guy is literal scamster for long time. But somehow his ODM business is helping him stay afloat.
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He is not a scamster, his company started way back in 1990s and manufactures electronic equipment's for bigger brands. If you start declaring every businessman and manufacturer as scammer then nobody will be left in India.
He is still making equipment's for multiple companies and doing a business of over 500cr with around 200cr in profits per year.
 
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Kaynes is one of the most promising companies in recent years. They should give preferential loans at low interest rates to help fund their expansion
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concard said:
Great if that is the case. We anyway cannot even start making chips at 14nm. We are starting at 28nm. Once we have built up skills and ecosystem and in the meantime Japan has developed that technology we can take a look and go for it. Let's hope by 2035 all the electronics we consume are made in the country and hopefully we can hit $1 Trillion in electronic exports alone.
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First time getting into chip making business and expecting that 14nm chip will be made right away is wishful thinking. First learn the art of 28nm chip, which is the highest demand and then move up the ladder to get 14nm chip.
 
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