GTRE GTX 35VS Kaveri (3 Viewers)

[Asmodeus]

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IAF can just lend a couple of Mig29, instead of being over smart preachy, showing fake concern ain't getting them anywhere.

Its not that simple.. We don't have the rights to modify intakes and all related electronics of mig-29. Russia may stop mentainance and repair supply if we breach the contract!
Converting one of the IL76 should be on the table though!

 

[Nutcracker]

Its not that simple.. We don't have the rights to modify intakes and all related electronics of mig-29. Russia may stop mentainance and repair supply if we breach the contract!
Converting one of the IL76 should be on the table though!

Its just extortion. Those moskowite pigs are not even allocating the slot, and allocated slots are also getting cancelled as per some (alphadefence maybe) recent tweet. In 2010s Xhina built a couple dozen squadrons of flanker copies but pootin has no guts to do anything.

 

[liberalredditor]

Its just extortion. Those moskowite pigs are not even allocating the slot, and allocated slots are also getting cancelled as per some (alphadefence maybe) recent tweet. In 2010s Xhina built a couple dozen squadrons of flanker copies but pootin has no guts to do anything.

now we all are realising that no one is our friend, nor burger nor vodka nor french fries and nor esaral.

we are in reality on our own, atmanirbharta should have been enforced from 1980s only with funding for drdo and academic institutions

xina not only built copies, but they built their own growlers and then selling it in international market as their own "innovation" and we were left behind in screwdriving old flankers at double triple costs with old tech like metal body and ancient radars
while xina used composites extensively which will increase their flankers lifetime by miles

the land of dharma should have built its own weapon arsenal long ago, coz the adharmis would never help us

 

[Neil (नील/Нил)]

I cannot express how happy I am for our Kaveri Engine!​

Just saw #Fund_Kaveri_Engine trending on social media.
So many users on social media platforms like "X" (Formerly Twitter) are writing #Fund_Kaveri_Engine and tagging our Defence Minister, Prime Minister, President and whoever else they should!
I hope the next time Rajnath Singh or Modi open their Twitter feed, they will not have any choice but have to deal with the humongous flood of posts made by people urging the GOI to fastrack the Kaveri engine program.

In the past, I have written two posts expressing my view about the Kaveri Engine Program (Short for KEP).
Post in thread 'GTRE GTX 35VS Kaveri' https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/gtre-gtx-35vs-kaveri.124/post-3602
Post in thread 'GTRE GTX 35VS Kaveri' https://defenceforumbharat.com/threads/gtre-gtx-35vs-kaveri.124/post-80630

I emphasized some very important points in my two previous posts about the KEP, which I am sure every member here will more or less agree with me on. Read and understand this -

• No one is going to give you jet engine technology no matter how many billions you are willing to give in return. Jet Engine technology is the holy Grail of Aerospace.
  

  If you want to truly achieve a self sufficient aerospace industry to cater to your domestic requirements then achieving and mastering self sufficiency in designing and developing jet engines is an absolute necessity. ​

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• Frankly speaking, India has achieved atmanirbhartha in almost every field of aerospace engineering, jet engine is probably the only area where we lag and we need to close the gap with other major powers like the US, Russia, China, UK, France.​

• Our Kaveri Engine Programme is not receiving enough funds which It should. A program like Kaveri is of utmost national importance and instead of giving peanuts in the name of funds, we should pump considerable cash into it. ​

• Instead of repeatedly sending our Kaveri to Russia to get it tested on a flying Ilyushin Testbed which is time consuming and expensive, Ideally we need to procure our own Flying Testbed. Boeing and Airbus may have some good options for us. ​

Operation Sindhoor has truly opened the eyes of the public to the importance of having a powerful Home grown MIC.
To end, I sincerely hope and pray that all necessary steps are taken to make Kaveri a fruitful success!

 

[Anonymous Bharata]

Its basically issue with lack of understanding of advanced metallurgy and no nation will give that as they have spend years and billions of $$ in R&D and some in Reverse Eng(China). First step is to build proper ground test facility and air test. We even depend on Russia for testing. Who knows if Russia(or for that matter any other nation) won't change results as frankly no supplier would want us to master Jet engine tech which is like bread and butter for these foreign suppliers.

It's not just metallurgy, it's manufacturing know-why , that's what biting us inthe @$$

 

[liberalredditor]

It's not just metallurgy, it's manufacturing know-why , that's what biting us inthe @$$

metallurgy got rectfied, what is now pulling us behind is manufacturing the blades or blisks with those complex internal cooling hole architecture with top most accuracy and precision
next, the tbc coating plays a huge role in increasing TET, it can alone increase tet by 250-400K, but its application is difficult, ARCI hyd made a small ebpvd based machine, but we need it in larger scale

 

[Anonymous Bharata]

metallurgy got rectfied, what is now pulling us behind is manufacturing the blades or blisks with those complex internal cooling hole architecture with top most accuracy and precision
next, the tbc coating plays a huge role in increasing TET, it can alone increase tet by 250-400K, but its application is difficult, ARCI hyd made a small ebpvd based machine, but we need it in larger scale

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DMS4 with TBC + Effusion cooling can give atleast 1950K & that is more than enough for a 70KN dry & 110KN wet thrust engine with 1MW of electric power

But for 1950K TET, existing bi-layer TBC won't work, a new TBC has to be developed

 

[INDIAFIRST]

now we all are realising that no one is our friend, nor burger nor vodka nor french fries and nor esaral.

we are in reality on our own, atmanirbharta should have been enforced from 1980s only with funding for drdo and academic institutions

xina not only built copies, but they built their own growlers and then selling it in international market as their own "innovation" and we were left behind in screwdriving old flankers at double triple costs with old tech like metal body and ancient radars
while xina used composites extensively which will increase their flankers lifetime by miles

the land of dharma should have built its own weapon arsenal long ago, coz the adharmis would never help us

What is stopping us to do reverse engineering the retired jet engines we have...
Or giving it to IIT or IISC or some Indian research lab for studies...

 

[liberalredditor]

What is stopping us to do reverse engineering the retired jet engines we have...
Or giving it to IIT or IISC or some Indian research lab for studies...

whats stopping us from reverse engineering an rtx 4090 or a 5090,

1) india respects ip rights
2) it takes only 2 words to say "reverse engineering" it isnt that easy obviously, you can at best get the metallurgy and alloy info
but the know how, know why and how to manufacture it, and that too with top of the top accuracy and precision, etc etc, you wont get from reverse engineering
the alloy ratio is available on internet of rene and dms4, no need to even reverse engineer, but can you keep an ultralow error in making these super alloys??? then the single crystal blades?? everyone knew about single crystal blades, they are used in modern engines for better creep resistance
but do you know how to make it at mass level?
then comes tbc coating, you have the formula, do you know how to evenly apply/coat it
reverse engineering wont give you the manufacturing process and machines needed to make it

and even if you reverse engineer it, you havent developed the critical thinking for next engines,
your engine journey starts and ends

if reverse engineering is possible, then it is good for short term but for long term goals, r&d is best

the knowledge and experience from kaveri r&d >>> any other way

 

[Anants]

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[Anants]

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[Anants]

We still seemto be falling short of 85kn (GE 404in20) figure though intended wet thrust seems to be 78 to 80 kN figures which should be better than what we last heard about wet thrust of Kaveri as 70.4 kn.

 

[LastMythin]

We still seemto be falling short of 85kn (GE 404in20) figure though intended wet thrust seems to be 78 to 80 kN figures which should be better than what we last heard about wet thrust of Kaveri as 70.4 kn.

It is still a bit underpowered but i think LCA integration is definitely a possibility in the next 3-4 years

 

[silentassassin265]

It is still a bit underpowered but i think LCA integration is definitely a possibility in the next 3-4 years

Can be integrated on trainer varient easily

 

[Ajatshatru]

It is still a bit underpowered but i think LCA integration is definitely a possibility in the next 3-4 years

Can be integrated on trainer varient easily

India should develop a twin-engine stealth drone powered by the Kaveri engine. The dry variant of the Kaveri engine is now certain to be certified for use in the GHATAK UCAV.


Combat range should be 1000km and payload carrying capacity of 4 tons

 

[LastMythin]

India should develop a twin-engine stealth drone powered by the Kaveri engine. The dry variant of the Kaveri engine is now certain to be certified for use in the GHATAK UCAV.

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Combat range should be 1000km and payload carrying capacity of 4 tons

the best opportunity we have for any asymmetrical deterrence against growing chinese and porki aerial strength

 

[Ajatshatru]

the best opportunity we have for any asymmetrical deterrence against growing chinese and porki aerial strength

Correct, And since India has developed the Kaveri engine, it will not be dependent on any other country to operate these drones. Moreover, drones are becoming increasingly vital in modern warfare.

 

[Ajatshatru]

Here is an image of a Chinese stealth drone. The Indian GHATAK UCAV, which also features stealth characteristics, is similar in design but is powered by a single engine. If India develops a twin-engine drone using the Kaveri engine, it would offer greater payload capacity and extended combat range.

 

[LastMythin]

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Here is an image of a Chinese stealth drone. The Indian GHATAK UCAV, which also features stealth characteristics, is similar in design but is powered by a single engine. If India develops a twin-engine drone using the Kaveri engine, it would offer greater payload capacity and extended combat range.
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drone tactics and use cases are expanding by the minute we need to go into drone development on war footing. Hopefully our leadership realizes this too.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

We should have bought those 747s from Air india. Instead we sold them. Since FTB is an test bed with variety of sensors, monitoring an mig 29 cannot make sense. We need an 4 engine aircraft like il76, 747 to host all testing equipment.

One radical idea is to convert an existing IAF il76 into an FTB. It is doable but can IAF allow them?