Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[BON PLAN]

From what i know, less than 2% of arial engagements in the last 25 years globally, have been WVR combat.

Probably more than that.
Sometimes medium range missile are used in WVR (ex : SH18 used an AIM9X to shoot a syrian Su22. It failed. Then the SH18 pilot used an AMRAAM instead)

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Agility hasn't been important since bvr combat had happened.

BVR combat is very old. The Sparrow 1 mounted on the US Navy's Skyknight became the first operational BVR missile in 1954.
Since then in every jet maker nation we've seen agile jets with variety of wing configurations.

As for other shapes, you are too stupid and too ignorant to know why those shapes don't work in reality and why delta wing is literally the most chosen wing design in jet aircraft history.

You're refuting & abusing NASA. & its website, slides
> You have still not explained any fundamental by self or by professional/official material.
> We're not here to make report or documentary on most exported wing-type jet.
> All types of wing-config jets have been made & exported globally.
> IAF has also operated all wing types.

 

[shade2]

Assuming Rafale, SCALP and hammer bombs were used
Will this make it easy to push forward an acquisition of 114 Rafales by Govt?

 

[Binayak95]

Assuming Rafale, SCALP and hammer bombs were used
Will this make it easy to push forward an acquisition of 114 Rafales by Govt?

Assuming? ab bhi assume hi kar rahe ho?

 

[shade2]

Assuming? ab bhi assume hi kar rahe ho?

There is no official confirmation about platforms and munitions used
I am saying on the basis of one India Today article that said Rafale/Scalp/Hammer combo was used.

Now it's a proven platform in IAF service since it has bombed and missiled those paki targets, should make it ez to blast through the ghost of Rafale "scam" allegations and place an order for more

 

[silentassassin265]

Can we bring back mig 23, mig 25, mig 27 if war escalates?
I know they don't have bvr so is it possible to integrate ASRAAM missile on them ?

 

[shauryaman65]

Can we bring back mig 23, mig 25, mig 27 if war escalates?
I know they don't have bvr so is it possible to integrate ASRAAM missile on them ?

All of them are terrible platforms in modern warfare.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[GaudaNaresh]

BVR combat is very old. The Sparrow 1 mounted on the US Navy's Skyknight became the first operational BVR missile in 1954.
Since then in every jet maker nation we've seen agile jets with variety of wing configurations.


You're refuting & abusing NASA. & its website, slides
> You have still not explained any fundamental by self or by professional/official material.
> We're not here to make report or documentary on most exported wing-type jet.
> All types of wing-config jets have been made & exported globally.
> IAF has also operated all wing types.

Bvr combat doesn't become dominant form of combat till 2000s.
If you don't know basics of air combat history, I suggest you stfu.

Also tell us why reverse wings like s-37 doesn't work in reality if you wish to discuss shapes of wings.

Also tell us why delta wing is the most common design of fighter jets in history of jet aviation

 

[rone]

View attachment 33773

My new entertainment is posting this photo on every post where they j10 shoot down Rafale, and write Rafale says hai

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Bvr combat doesn't become dominant form of combat till 2000s.
If you don't know basics of air combat history, I suggest you stfu.

DID YOU BEAT YOUR TEACHERS?
> You are NOT utilizing opportunity to share any fundamental material or even historical info, hence continiously abusing out of frustration
> You are trying to shift the focus elsewhere from technical aspects to history. Techies don't need to be historian. A fighter jet needs to be designed for BVR, WVR, with era the weapons get modified, that's all.
> Go check Vietnam war (1955-75), Arab-Israeli war (6 day war of 1967; Yom Kippur war 1973), 1st Gulf War (1990s), Bosnia-Serbia-Yugoslavia war & then say till 2000s.
> BVR-AAMs, CCMs & gun fight, all have been used from time to time in different clashes. The rules of engagement also can change as per situation.
> Missile tech will keep improving. We'll be seeing multi-spectral seeker missiles in near future.

Also tell us why reverse wings like s-37 doesn't work in reality if you wish to discuss shapes of wings.

1st you tell to STFU & then ask to explain.
> This is a time pass forum, every enthusiast will have reach to same public info.
> I'm average IT engineer, not aero-engineer, but to answer you in short, AFAIK, the forward swept wing does have some benefits of high agility, stall control, etc but produce yaw & other problems. Also, bcoz the trailing edge is like diamond wing the downwash kills some lift.
> Drive an open car/jeep/suv at 100 Km/h & stretch you arms wide but 1st forward & then backward. In which position you feel more stressed? Same way mechanical stress in forward swept wing is more.
> Russians with S-37 & USA with X-29 reached same conclusions.
For more info, please google search.




BTW, i took initiative of opening fundamental threads on understanding airframe design, engines, DEW, UAVs, Hypersonics, 6gen jets.
But instead of appreciating, youngsters like you wanna abuse & bully everyone, even elders, qualified & experienced professionals.

Also tell us why delta wing is the most common design of fighter jets in history of jet aviation

> That's what you think, not me. You should explain everyone. My 1st reply to you was advantage of canards over pure delta. Otherwise every wing can be said to be modified triangle, just cut it here & there at different angles.
> When i try to go back 25+ years, you counter by calling it ANCIENT & now want to go back.
> Currently among the popular global jets, only Mirage-2000 is pure delta jet, w/o any canards or tail.
> As a techie, in my limited comprehension, i told you that every wing config has +/- points.
- In ATF competition, YF-22 had cropped-diamond while YF-23 had diamond wings.
- In JSF competition, X-35 had trapeze while X-32 had cropped-diamond wings.
- Older GCAP had Lambda wing, newer GCAP has cropped-diamond wing.
> Among + points, the Delta has higher leading edge sweep angle & hence lower drag. And hence it also creates a -ve point of higher braking effort.
> And IAF has operated every wing-type jet.
> I stared the AHCA concept study thread, i'll definitely put what i think about a new wing design as per my understanding. Others can also contribute.

 

[E-195]

it seems J-10 is crap

 

[GaudaNaresh]

DID YOU BEAT YOUR TEACHERS?
> You are NOT utilizing opportunity to share any fundamental material or even historical info, hence continiously abusing out of frustration
> You are trying to shift the focus elsewhere from technical aspects to history. Techies don't need to be historian. A fighter jet needs to be designed for BVR, WVR, with era the weapons get modified, that's all.
> Go check Vietnam war (1955-75), Arab-Israeli war (6 day war of 1967; Yom Kippur war 1973), 1st Gulf War (1990s), Bosnia-Serbia-Yugoslavia war & then say till 2000s.
> BVR-AAMs, CCMs & gun fight, all have been used from time to time in different clashes. The rules of engagement also can change as per situation.
> Missile tech will keep improving. We'll be seeing multi-spectral seeker missiles in near future.

View attachment 33802



1st you tell to STFU & then ask to explain.
> This is a time pass forum, every enthusiast will have reach to same public info.
> I'm average IT engineer, not aero-engineer, but to answer you in short, AFAIK, the forward swept wing does have some benefits of high agility, stall control, etc but produce yaw & other problems. Also, bcoz the trailing edge is like diamond wing the downwash kills some lift.
> Drive an open car/jeep/suv at 100 Km/h & stretch you arms wide but 1st forward & then backward. In which position you feel more stressed? Same way mechanical stress in forward swept wing is more.
> Russians with S-37 & USA with X-29 reached same conclusions.
For more info, please google search.

View attachment 33809


BTW, i took initiative of opening fundamental threads on understanding airframe design, engines, DEW, UAVs, Hypersonics, 6gen jets.
But instead of appreciating, youngsters like you wanna abuse & bully everyone, even elders, qualified & experienced professionals.

View attachment 33795


> That's what you think, not me. You should explain everyone. My 1st reply to you was advantage of canards over pure delta. Otherwise every wing can be said to be modified triangle, just cut it here & there at different angles.
> When i try to go back 25+ years, you counter by calling it ANCIENT & now want to go back.
> Currently among the popular global jets, only Mirage-2000 is pure delta jet, w/o any canards or tail.
> As a techie, in my limited comprehension, i told you that every wing config has +/- points.
- In ATF competition, YF-22 had cropped-diamond while YF-23 had diamond wings.
- In JSF competition, X-35 had trapeze while X-32 had cropped-diamond wings.
- Older GCAP had Lambda wing, newer GCAP has cropped-diamond wing.
> Among + points, the Delta has higher leading edge sweep angle & hence lower drag. And hence it also creates a -ve point of higher braking effort.
> And IAF has operated every wing-type jet.
> I stared the AHCA concept study thread, i'll definitely put what i think about a new wing design as per my understanding. Others can also contribute.

i asked you a simple question, not demonstration of your ignorance of the topic at hand.
Tell us why delta wing is the most common wing design in jet design history
Tell us why half the shapes you described are not used in aircraft design despite having same surface area.
Tell us why no reverse swept wings are in production model planes and only in tech demonstrators like S-37 and X29.
Tell us what relevance is 80s and early 90s era combat is to 2025 air combat, same as what relevance is 60s era combat to 90s era combat.

Youngsters ? I am older than you most likely as i am 40+.

PS : your answer to foward swept wing design is WRONG. Forward swept wing design are subject to incredible torques at low speed turning and are prone to breaking off. THAT is why its only ever been in a tech demonstrator and not in any inducted model: we do not have materials cheap enough to make wings that are forward swept that can witsand the toruqe at low velocity turning.


PPS: you are IT engineer ? cool. I am mathematician who works IT.

PPPS: no fighter jet is designed today with WVR combat in mind - its an afterthought and WVR specs are only there when it doesnt clash with BVR specs. That is reality.