Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[BON PLAN]

From what i know, less than 2% of arial engagements in the last 25 years globally, have been WVR combat.

Probably more than that.
Sometimes medium range missile are used in WVR (ex : SH18 used an AIM9X to shoot a syrian Su22. It failed. Then the SH18 pilot used an AMRAAM instead)

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Agility hasn't been important since bvr combat had happened.

BVR combat is very old. The Sparrow 1 mounted on the US Navy's Skyknight became the first operational BVR missile in 1954.
Since then in every jet maker nation we've seen agile jets with variety of wing configurations.

As for other shapes, you are too stupid and too ignorant to know why those shapes don't work in reality and why delta wing is literally the most chosen wing design in jet aircraft history.

You're refuting & abusing NASA. & its website, slides
> You have still not explained any fundamental by self or by professional/official material.
> We're not here to make report or documentary on most exported wing-type jet.
> All types of wing-config jets have been made & exported globally.
> IAF has also operated all wing types.

 

[shade2]

Assuming Rafale, SCALP and hammer bombs were used
Will this make it easy to push forward an acquisition of 114 Rafales by Govt?

 

[Binayak95]

Assuming Rafale, SCALP and hammer bombs were used
Will this make it easy to push forward an acquisition of 114 Rafales by Govt?

Assuming? ab bhi assume hi kar rahe ho?

 

[shade2]

Assuming? ab bhi assume hi kar rahe ho?

There is no official confirmation about platforms and munitions used
I am saying on the basis of one India Today article that said Rafale/Scalp/Hammer combo was used.

Now it's a proven platform in IAF service since it has bombed and missiled those paki targets, should make it ez to blast through the ghost of Rafale "scam" allegations and place an order for more

 

[silentassassin265]

Can we bring back mig 23, mig 25, mig 27 if war escalates?
I know they don't have bvr so is it possible to integrate ASRAAM missile on them ?

 

[shauryaman65]

Can we bring back mig 23, mig 25, mig 27 if war escalates?
I know they don't have bvr so is it possible to integrate ASRAAM missile on them ?

All of them are terrible platforms in modern warfare.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

 

[GaudaNaresh]

BVR combat is very old. The Sparrow 1 mounted on the US Navy's Skyknight became the first operational BVR missile in 1954.
Since then in every jet maker nation we've seen agile jets with variety of wing configurations.


You're refuting & abusing NASA. & its website, slides
> You have still not explained any fundamental by self or by professional/official material.
> We're not here to make report or documentary on most exported wing-type jet.
> All types of wing-config jets have been made & exported globally.
> IAF has also operated all wing types.

Bvr combat doesn't become dominant form of combat till 2000s.
If you don't know basics of air combat history, I suggest you.

Also tell us why reverse wings like s-37 doesn't work in reality if you wish to discuss shapes of wings.

Also tell us why delta wing is the most common design of fighter jets in history of jet aviation

 

[rone]

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My new entertainment is posting this photo on every post where they j10 shoot down Rafale, and write Rafale says hai

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Bvr combat doesn't become dominant form of combat till 2000s.
If you don't know basics of air combat history, I suggest you stfu.

DID YOU BEAT YOUR TEACHERS?
> You are NOT utilizing opportunity to share any fundamental material or even historical info, hence continiously abusing out of frustration
> You are trying to shift the focus elsewhere from technical aspects to history. Techies don't need to be historian. A fighter jet needs to be designed for BVR, WVR, with era the weapons get modified, that's all.
> Go check Vietnam war (1955-75), Arab-Israeli war (6 day war of 1967; Yom Kippur war 1973), 1st Gulf War (1990s), Bosnia-Serbia-Yugoslavia war & then say till 2000s.
> BVR-AAMs, CCMs & gun fight, all have been used from time to time in different clashes. The rules of engagement also can change as per situation.
> Missile tech will keep improving. We'll be seeing multi-spectral seeker missiles in near future.

Also tell us why reverse wings like s-37 doesn't work in reality if you wish to discuss shapes of wings.

1st you tell to STFU & then ask to explain.
> This is a time pass forum, every enthusiast will have reach to same public info.
> I'm average IT engineer, not aero-engineer, but to answer you in short, AFAIK, the forward swept wing does have some benefits of high agility, stall control, etc but produce yaw & other problems. Also, bcoz the trailing edge is like diamond wing the downwash kills some lift.
> Drive an open car/jeep/suv at 100 Km/h & stretch you arms wide but 1st forward & then backward. In which position you feel more stressed? Same way mechanical stress in forward swept wing is more.
> Russians with S-37 & USA with X-29 reached same conclusions.
For more info, please google search.




BTW, i took initiative of opening fundamental threads on understanding airframe design, engines, DEW, UAVs, Hypersonics, 6gen jets.
But instead of appreciating, youngsters like you wanna abuse & bully everyone, even elders, qualified & experienced professionals.

Also tell us why delta wing is the most common design of fighter jets in history of jet aviation

> That's what you think, not me. You should explain everyone. My 1st reply to you was advantage of canards over pure delta. Otherwise every wing can be said to be modified triangle, just cut it here & there at different angles.
> When i try to go back 25+ years, you counter by calling it ANCIENT & now want to go back.
> Currently among the popular global jets, only Mirage-2000 is pure delta jet, w/o any canards or tail.
> As a techie, in my limited comprehension, i told you that every wing config has +/- points.
- In ATF competition, YF-22 had cropped-diamond while YF-23 had diamond wings.
- In JSF competition, X-35 had trapeze while X-32 had cropped-diamond wings.
- Older GCAP had Lambda wing, newer GCAP has cropped-diamond wing.
> Among + points, the Delta has higher leading edge sweep angle & hence lower drag. And hence it also creates a -ve point of higher braking effort.
> And IAF has operated every wing-type jet.
> I stared the AHCA concept study thread, i'll definitely put what i think about a new wing design as per my understanding. Others can also contribute.

 

[E-195]

it seems J-10 is crap

 

[GaudaNaresh]

DID YOU BEAT YOUR TEACHERS?
> You are NOT utilizing opportunity to share any fundamental material or even historical info, hence continiously abusing out of frustration
> You are trying to shift the focus elsewhere from technical aspects to history. Techies don't need to be historian. A fighter jet needs to be designed for BVR, WVR, with era the weapons get modified, that's all.
> Go check Vietnam war (1955-75), Arab-Israeli war (6 day war of 1967; Yom Kippur war 1973), 1st Gulf War (1990s), Bosnia-Serbia-Yugoslavia war & then say till 2000s.
> BVR-AAMs, CCMs & gun fight, all have been used from time to time in different clashes. The rules of engagement also can change as per situation.
> Missile tech will keep improving. We'll be seeing multi-spectral seeker missiles in near future.

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1st you tell to STFU & then ask to explain.
> This is a time pass forum, every enthusiast will have reach to same public info.
> I'm average IT engineer, not aero-engineer, but to answer you in short, AFAIK, the forward swept wing does have some benefits of high agility, stall control, etc but produce yaw & other problems. Also, bcoz the trailing edge is like diamond wing the downwash kills some lift.
> Drive an open car/jeep/suv at 100 Km/h & stretch you arms wide but 1st forward & then backward. In which position you feel more stressed? Same way mechanical stress in forward swept wing is more.
> Russians with S-37 & USA with X-29 reached same conclusions.
For more info, please google search.

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BTW, i took initiative of opening fundamental threads on understanding airframe design, engines, DEW, UAVs, Hypersonics, 6gen jets.
But instead of appreciating, youngsters like you wanna abuse & bully everyone, even elders, qualified & experienced professionals.

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> That's what you think, not me. You should explain everyone. My 1st reply to you was advantage of canards over pure delta. Otherwise every wing can be said to be modified triangle, just cut it here & there at different angles.
> When i try to go back 25+ years, you counter by calling it ANCIENT & now want to go back.
> Currently among the popular global jets, only Mirage-2000 is pure delta jet, w/o any canards or tail.
> As a techie, in my limited comprehension, i told you that every wing config has +/- points.
- In ATF competition, YF-22 had cropped-diamond while YF-23 had diamond wings.
- In JSF competition, X-35 had trapeze while X-32 had cropped-diamond wings.
- Older GCAP had Lambda wing, newer GCAP has cropped-diamond wing.
> Among + points, the Delta has higher leading edge sweep angle & hence lower drag. And hence it also creates a -ve point of higher braking effort.
> And IAF has operated every wing-type jet.
> I stared the AHCA concept study thread, i'll definitely put what i think about a new wing design as per my understanding. Others can also contribute.

i asked you a simple question, not demonstration of your ignorance of the topic at hand.
Tell us why delta wing is the most common wing design in jet design history
Tell us why half the shapes you described are not used in aircraft design despite having same surface area.
Tell us why no reverse swept wings are in production model planes and only in tech demonstrators like S-37 and X29.
Tell us what relevance is 80s and early 90s era combat is to 2025 air combat, same as what relevance is 60s era combat to 90s era combat.

Youngsters ? I am older than you most likely as i am 40+.

PS : your answer to foward swept wing design is WRONG. Forward swept wing design are subject to incredible torques at low speed turning and are prone to breaking off. THAT is why its only ever been in a tech demonstrator and not in any inducted model: we do not have materials cheap enough to make wings that are forward swept that can witsand the toruqe at low velocity turning.


PPS: you are IT engineer ? cool. I am mathematician who works IT.

PPPS: no fighter jet is designed today with WVR combat in mind - its an afterthought and WVR specs are only there when it doesnt clash with BVR specs. That is reality.

 

[E-195]

Sorry I did not know about any losses of the IAF anyway I hope the best for India

 

[maximus777]

Can we bring back mig 23, mig 25, mig 27 if war escalates?
I know they don't have bvr so is it possible to integrate ASRAAM missile on them ?

Hope it doesn't come to that, but these old war horses still pack a punch. Mig23/27 can brutalize ground forces. Mig25 can be an excellent platform to launch high altitude missile strikes both on land and naval targets.

 

[Anants]

Sorry I did not know about any losses of the IAF anyway I hope the best for India

There are none(atleast in manned assets). Those losses only exist in propaganda spread by Paki and China sources.

 

[Spitfire IX]

Sorry I did not know about any losses of the IAF anyway I hope the best for India

If there are losses, India can be expected to deny them. If there are no losses Pakistan may invent them. And vice versa.

Sources from countries uninvolved in the issue are more likely to report the facts as objectively as they can.

It would be interesting to find out what IAF losses were incurred and how if there were any.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

If there are losses, India can be expected to deny them. If there are no losses Pakistan may invent them. And vice versa.

Sources from countries uninvolved in the issue are more likely to report the facts as objectively as they can.

There are absolutely no losses .
Rafales are safe and sleeping peacefully after the mission

 

[Spitfire IX]

There are absolutely no losses .
Rafales are safe and sleeping peacefully after the mission

I understand that a French intelligence source says otherwise.

A senior French intelligence official told CNN that at least one Rafale operated by India was brought down by Pakistani forces. French authorities are looking into whether more than one Rafale jet was shot down, the official added, according to CNN anchor Jim Scuitto. The Independent could not verify these claims.

Pakistan claims it downed Indian Rafale jets amid deadly cross-border escalation

Pakistan says it shot down three Rafale jets in retaliatory strike, marking what could be first combat loss of French-made aircraft

uk.news.yahoo.com

I am inclined to believe a French source reporting loss of a French aircraft in preference to an Indian source denying loss of an IAF aircraft.

 

[Magadha Naresh]

I understand that a French intelligence source says otherwise.

Pakistan claims it downed Indian Rafale jets amid deadly cross-border escalation

Pakistan says it shot down three Rafale jets in retaliatory strike, marking what could be first combat loss of French-made aircraft

uk.news.yahoo.com

I am inclined to believe a French source reporting loss of a French aircraft in preference to an Indian source denying loss of an IAF aircraft.

Why will france report a loss
Okay here
This image was circulated back in 2024 also .
Seen this before
A Pakistani named Mohsin khan posted it back than.
Your cnn correspondent fellow deleted his tweet .
And did the French officialy said anything.
Heck did martin baker say anything?
You were swept by propaganda sir , you may continue to believe it but believing in a lie doesn't make it true