Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[GaudaNaresh]

1. we need to accelerate our Tejas-2 program and use under-powered caveri if needed for it. we need numbers here
2. we need at least a few more squadrons of Su-30 made to the super-sukhoi standard with goal of all su-30 being super-sukhoi standard.
3. We need to again accelerate the AMCA program. even if we have to use underpowered engines, so be it.

These are all must-have conclusions from this special military action.

 

[shade2]

I agree in general except for any additional Rafale purchases. The more I look at it, the more it looks like a very very expensive glass cannon at a price I believe was around $200M a bird

The recent naval Rafale-M is like what Rs 60k crore for 26 aircraft, which comes to around $277M per unit, ofc this includes weapons integration like meteor and exocet, but still a very expensive proposition.

The next purchase Frenchies will charge will probably charge like $300M a bird. Dassault employees as well as their children and grandchildren will be set for their lives with 5 star vacations each year.

Better save this money by investing on something else. Of course IAF being IAF won't be able to resist the temptations of baguettes.

UN Marshalls have been wanting Rafale since 20 years now, doubt they'll settle for anything less.

1. we need to accelerate our Tejas-2 program and use under-powered caveri if needed for it. we need numbers here

Rafale will eat that budget

 

[INDIAFIRST]

where are we on Tejas Mk2 any idea...

 

[Bhartiya Sainik]

Ye to sooj gaya hai, isko bolo doctor ko dikhaye

Ps: i actually forgot the technical name of both

Sabko technically AEW&C hi bolte hain.
Agar usne radioactive cheek mar di AAAACCCHHHOOO to jo paas me khada hoga usko doctor ke paas jana parega.

 

[Bleh]

We have to absolutely prepare for a 2 front war now. Prepare like Poland is preparing for Russian invasion in arms buying.
IAF in particular needs urgent attention on airframes, refuelers etc.
Ready products which can be bought in numbers:

1. LCA : Confirmed orders of 97 additional airframes should be given asap now. If possible, increase the order and invite private sector to make 50% of it. Negotiate production increase with GE for injun.Nutshell, target to maintain 300 LCAs as first line of defence on the western and northern air bases by 2035.

2. Sukhoi 30MKi : Wrote earlier. Absolute beast. I think Paki pilots must be shitting bricks when they detect a Su30MKi. We need to order more ( add 5 squadrons) + add more squadrons to be upgraded under SuperSukhoi program. Always maintain 300 SuperSukhoi's by 2035, till we have our own HCA

3. Rafale : Let the Rafales come now. Make it 90, do everything to make it highly maintainable and upgradeable( MRO or MFg. Plant, I don't care). Maintain 100 Rafale airframes always. Give it to bada-bhai to Mfg. at speed or call tatas. Just get it done via private industry.

4. Astra Mk1 and 2 : Order 2000( instead of trickle feed of 200 each 5 years)

5. Gaurav : Order 10k

6. SAAW - Order 10k. Next Sar-gadha runway crater should be from this baby.

7. NG-ARM - Certify on more aircrafts and order 2000-3000 rather than trickle feed again.

8. Decoys, MAWS and RWRs for each aircraft - learn from this skirmish and invest in safety/prevention of each aircraft.

9. Akash : 10 more squadrons of Akash 1S. Airforce has less airframes, so derer by air defence (like Ukraine is doing in Russia).

10. QRSAM : As many regiment as needed for strike corps ( 5 straight away)

11. Akash NG : Add 9 squadrons (instead of ordering more MRSAM)

12. Nethra : Double the orders for Nethra Mk2( find 6 more airframes from 2nd hand market for gods sake and stop waiting for chapati one)

13. Refuelers : Pls pls pls order 12-15 MRTT ( take 330 if you like it, or take 2nd hand 747 airframes and let yahoodi bros convert it.)

14. AD Guns : Enough of 200 Sudarshans every 5 yrs. Pls.order 1000-2000 to cover the chong border and be done with it.

All this should be done and delivered by 2035.

Till then :

15. Go binge buy all M2K airframes. Greece and Taiwan might just sell. This will give you numbers till 2035

16. Mig29 : See if you can get more Mig29 from Russia post ceasefire by Putin. If they end the war now, no fear of katsa. This will also give you numbers till 2035.




This requires common sense. Maybe it will prevail after the recent skirmish.

You miss to mention anti-drone mini SAMs, 50mm rounds proximity fused AA rounds fixed on rockets & a passive seeker.

 

[Kapil]

You miss to mention anti-drone mini SAMs, 50mm rounds proximity fused AA rounds fixed on rockets & a passive seeker.
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I was just calling out products which are ready, tested by our IA,IAF etc. and can be procured right away with money.

 

[officewarrior]

No foreign weapon can save indias ass against china people calling for rafales are gullible to think chinese 6th gen against rafale will be a match like of pakistan we need tejas mk2 in huge no. So that when 6th gen white emperor attacks we can field 10 tejas mk2 against every 1 white emperor.
Rafale will eat all the budget.

 

[Gandaberunda]

No foreign weapon can save indias ass against china people calling for rafales are gullible to think chinese 6th gen against rafale will be a match like of pakistan we need tejas mk2 in huge no. So that when 6th gen white emperor attacks we can field 10 tejas mk2 against every 1 white emperor.
Rafale will eat all the budget.

If Rafale can’t save India ass against so called Chene 6th gen then forgot about Tejas MK2 which will be inferior to Rafale no matter you field 10-20 Tejas they won’t make any difference when they lack first shoot capabilities We need 5th Gen jets to tackle and AMCA is 15 years away. Su 57 E will be a patch on band aid and F35 we will become American bitch

 

[officewarrior]

If Rafale can’t save India ass against so called Chene 6th gen then forgot about Tejas MK2 which will be inferior to Rafale no matter you field 10-20 Tejas they won’t make any difference when they lack first shoot capabilities We need 5th Gen jets to tackle and AMCA is 15 years away. Su 57 E will be a patch on band aid and F35 we will become American bitch

My point is white emperor has to enter indian airspace to attack main land india and its major role is also silent attack so the fight will be in our airspace and as a point defence fighter 10 tejas mk2 can take on a single white emperor any day.

We definetely can afford 10 tejas mk2 for every white emperor but not 10 rafales so goal should be indigenous tejas mk2 ditch rafales.

 

[Gandaberunda]

My point is white emperor has to enter indian airspace to attack main land india and its major role is also silent attack so the fight will be in our airspace and as a point defence fighter 10 tejas mk2 can take on a single white emperor any day.

We definetely can afford 10 tejas mk2 for every white emperor but not 10 rafales so goal should be indigenous tejas mk2 ditch rafales.

Chinese has rocket force and they have huge stock pile of missiles to hurt us from deep inside their own territory… after galwan clash they have made so many underground silos in Akshay chin for rockets and keep expanding them. There won’t be a dog fight over Himalaya like you expect porky tactics to wait for enemy fighters to ingress and take them out. Chinese can over load us in quantity as well with their cheap fighters.
India china war will not be similar to what’s happening in our western front

 

[username unkown]

If Rafale can’t save India ass against so called Chene 6th gen then forgot about Tejas MK2 which will be inferior to Rafale no matter you field 10-20 Tejas they won’t make any difference when they lack first shoot capabilities We need 5th Gen jets to tackle and AMCA is 15 years away. Su 57 E will be a patch on band aid and F35 we will become American bitch

Amca is 15 years away lol really so 2035 is indeed 15 years away
su57 as band aid which Russian themselves aren't too keen to procure iaf have rejected it get hint iaf is unlikely to go for f 35

 

[Gandaberunda]

Amca is 15 years away lol really so 2035 is indeed 15 years away
su57 as band aid which Russian themselves aren't too keen to procure iaf have rejected it get hint iaf is unlikely to go for f 35

Going by the timeline of DRDO given AMCA is scheduled to be inducted in 2035 onwards without factoring any delays. So even if say 20 inducted in 2035 it takes 2/3 years to platform familiarisation and tactics formation. You can’t use the fighter the day it will be delivered. So it is 13-15 years away factoring delays

 

[username unkown]

Going by the timeline of DRDO given AMCA is scheduled to be inducted in 2035 onwards without factoring any delays. So even if say 20 inducted in 2035 it takes 2/3 years to platform familiarisation and tactics formation. You can’t use the fighter the day it will be delivered. So it is 13-15 years away factoring delays

Same thing can be said for import we aren't getting any significant number of 5 generation aircraft even if we order them today before 2030-2032 and then there will be famaliarisation and tactics formation and then amca will be ready by 2035
Really iaf isn't going to sign any deal before 3-5 years and after that delivery of aircraft will take additional 4-6 years depending on production rate and supply chain and then there will take time to famaliarisation and tactics formation by that time Tejas mk 2 will be under production and amca very close to production
We should better focus on our ads and super sukhoi and Indian aircraft project

 

[Gandaberunda]

Same thing can be said for import we aren't getting any significant number of 5 generation aircraft even if we order them today before 2030-2032 and then there will be famaliarisation and tactics formation and then amca will be ready by 2035

So we are technically a decade behind.

 

[username unkown]

So we are technically a decade behind.

We are behind
1.We should fast track our missile project astra and rudram series and other air to ground basically fast track development of weapons package

2. We are making our air defence more dense for future with intention and induction of vshorad ,qrsam , akash ng , vl srsam and kush (desi s400) in future will make our already safe air space more secure against high intensity attacks in future
Ballistic missile shield phase 2 is also under development

3. Fast track mk1a , mk2 and super sukhoi upgrade and try to get more mig 29 and upgrade them with Indian avionics
Mig 29 is to ve replaced with Tejas mk2 but consider this when we start inducting mk2 we will be increasing our numbers which are declining then we will start replacing jaguar and Mirage with it we should have mig 29 upg till 2040 with Indian avionics as it has high thrust to weight ratio very good for terrain in India-China border

Edit :
4.stratgic refuler are also needed and we need to increase netra number and range

 

[shade2]

Future of Indian AD

Y'all nibbiars, making a list of our in development anti air mizzile projects from short to long range, is there anything i'm missing?

>Sudarshan CIWS( not sure if in service ? )
>VSHORADS
>QR-SAM( Army onlee )
>Akash NG( Airforce onlee )
>Project Kusha - 3 different missiles with increasing range
>AD-1 & AD-2 Ballistic missile defence

 

[sameer]

Future of Indian AD

Y'all nibbiars, making a list of our in development anti air mizzile projects from short to long range, is there anything i'm missing?

>Sudarshan CIWS( not sure if in service ? )
>VSHORADS
>QR-SAM( Army onlee )
>Akash NG( Airforce onlee )
>Project Kusha - 3 different missiles with increasing range
>AD-1 & AD-2 Ballistic missile defence

hopefully we can operationalize Laser based DEW as well? DRDO recently tested a 30KW one and is working on 300KW one. Will be good to shoot down drones and other debris that pakis will keep sending.

 

[ThE BrOkEn HeArT]

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[ThE BrOkEn HeArT]

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[Asmodeus]

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