Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (19 Viewers)

[silentassassin265]

Curious to see, how we are going to operate just 28 Apache Helicopters. For now, I don't see any large order coming for this platform. Prachand is going to be in large number of 156.

Just an outrageous purchase which does not making sense.

We were 20 years late for ordering this flying tank.
Attack helicopters are obsolete now in the era of drones and cheap atgm and manpads

 

[neelaslayer]

F35c is the worst performing jet just available for few hours per week then f35b only f35 a is okay.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Army Apache order is definitely Jaziya paid to Uncle Sam.
Maybe even the Airforce order was.

Not really, problem was incompetence to negotiate a good deal while fighting within the services, Army wanted ownership of apaches while Air Force said it should operate with them as they are the "air force" (not sure but heard the Air Force once demanded to operate Navy's fighter jets from carriers too).

So Army then placed token order of 6 Apaches that inflated the order further, which if purchased together would've led to lower costs.

That said, let's not forget it still carries 1200 rounds of 30mm ammunition, is heavily armoured, and can carry 16 ATGMs or 76 Rockets or half of both together. LCH is barely a fraction of it's capability, especially in terms of it's main gun but counter argument can be, we can buy and operate multiple LCH for one Apache, maybe but how feasible this doctrine is I don't know.

Jaziya could've been more C17s and P8i as well as Chinooks which we bought only 15 when we should've purchased a lot more of them. That said, we definitely should absolutely stop imports of offensive platforms at some point of time, depending on unreliable partners will only end up in egg on our face.

Russian platforms however "unreliable" have been saving our asses precisely because Russians allow us to modify and "MKI-ise" the platforms making it easy for us to upgrade and integrate our own sub-systems and weaponry for which western countries demand a tonne and worse, do not deliver on time like we're seeing with Rafale and Apache.

 

[redpanda]

Posted from Rafale thread...


Yeah this deal is shady as fk for some highly expensive toys that proved to be less effective than advertised when we actually needed it even after a decade of contract signing, offset clauses not met, and integration of Meteor and IACCS not done, despite scamming billions for ISE upgrades and integration of Indian weapons. The best it did was bomb Muridke and Nur Khan, but then a SCALP missile also malfunctioned over Sargodha and it were the BrahMos missiles that hit with precision and reliability.

But as per IAF it is the Russian fighter aircraft that are a pain in the rear due to maintenance issues, yet they are the only ones which have saved us in all conflicts reliably. Might as well buy American jets which come with same restrictions then, why do this "strategic balance and diversification" BS buying it from France.
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View: https://www.youtube.com/live/7e3PiKj2u4Q?si=RGk0ZnMuJCUM8_Ym

Take that guy's tweet with a bag of salt. He is a well known feku. And was trolled for it in stratfront. There is no evidence backing up his claims. So no need to go into meltdown mode over some random guy's claims about SPECTRA and Meteor.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Take that guy's tweet with a bag of salt. He is a well known feku. And was trolled for it in stratfront. There is no evidence backing up his claims. So no need to go into meltdown mode over some random guy's claims about SPECTRA and Meteor.

Meteors are not integrated with IAF Rafales, there exists no such pic and even the crash site had MICA launchers only, SPECTRA or not, Rafales still don't carry Indian weapons despite us paying a tonne for it, even Astra Mk-1 offers higher range than MICA. Not even going into the offset clauses not being met both by Dassault and Boeing.

 

[INDIAFIRST]

Meteors are not integrated with IAF Rafales, there exists no such pic and even the crash site had MICA launchers only, SPECTRA or not, Rafales still don't carry Indian weapons despite us paying a tonne for it, even Astra Mk-1 offers higher range than MICA. Not even going into the offset clauses not being met both by Dassault and Boeing.

Did French screwed us by not giving us proper updated version of rafael with required weaponry due to murican pressure....or we didn't properly negotiated the required deal...8 yrs in wait is not a good deal after spending billion of dollar

 

[shade2]

Meteors are not integrated with IAF Rafales, there exists no such pic and even the crash site had MICA launchers only, SPECTRA or not, Rafales still don't carry Indian weapons despite us paying a tonne for it, even Astra Mk-1 offers higher range than MICA. Not even going into the offset clauses not being met both by Dassault and Boeing.

What is the evidence for this?
It is impossible the way the Meteor is the used in doing dalali for the Rafale that it wasn't purchased and integrated.


It could be the Rafales were only carrying SCALP/Hammer in an A2G loadout and MICAs were only for self-defense

After all since the retarded RoEs of.....



"WE ONLY HIT TERRORIST SITES SAAAR NO PAKI MILITARY ASSETS WERE TARGETTED "




I mean JeM wagera don't have fighter jets don't they, so if you're not hitting those sacred PAF and PA assets, "why equip Meteor?" said the Baboo.

. Might as well buy American jets which come with same restrictions then, why do this "strategic balance and diversification" BS buying it from France.

Good luck using Amerishart jets for anything that they haven't given their permission for
You are complaining about Scalp failing but imagine the diplomatic and economic repercussions of using AIM-420 and AGM-786 against their pet Pakistan without them authorizing us to do so

That is assuming they could be used and the Amerisnakes haven't back ported those F35 kill switch software and electronics into the other planes.

 

[FalconSlayers]

What is the evidence for this?

No evidence for them being in service either, only last year did Luftwaffe and Italian Air Force got Meteors integrated to their fighter aircrafts. There exists one pic of it on our Rafales but over French airspace during testing.

Again, it's been a decade since the contract was signed and it hasn't been that kind of a super-duper game changer as advertised even if we ignore the airframe loss over Bhatinda. The best it did was being a bomb truck lobbing SCALPs and Hammers over pakistan. Even the decades old Jaguars managed to destroy the paki airbases infrastructure with Rampage missiles. If it can't achieve actual air superiority outside our S-400 air defence cover, I don't see the point of buying 114 more Rafales instead of more upgraded flankers.

 

[shade2]

No evidence for them being in service either, only last year did Luftwaffe and Italian Air Force got Meteors integrated to their fighter aircrafts. There exists one pic of it on our Rafales but over French airspace during testing.

Again, it's been a decade since the contract was signed and it hasn't been that kind of a super-duper game changer as advertised even if we ignore the airframe loss over Bhatinda. The best it did was being a bomb truck lobbing SCALPs and Hammers over pakistan. Even the decades old Jaguars managed to destroy the paki airbases infrastructure with Rampage missiles. If it can't achieve actual air superiority outside our S-400 air defence cover, I don't see the point of buying 114 more Rafales instead of more upgraded flankers.

Saar, check the Greek and Qatari orders, Meteor is included in their Rafale purchases.
Because the Froggies use Meteor onlee as a major selling point for the Rafale, not Spectra or anything else.
Egyptians were also supposed to get it but pata nahi.

Meteor (missile) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Italians and Germans run Eurofighters which they had already inducted.
RAF had their Eurofighters running Meteors in 2018

Eurofighters were running AIM-120 as their BVRAAM since Meteor was taking time, it's obvious that they would be in no hurry to integrate it since they already had that capability.

 

[username unkown]

Meteors are not integrated with IAF Rafales, there exists no such pic and even the crash site had MICA launchers only, SPECTRA or not, Rafales still don't carry Indian weapons despite us paying a tonne for it, even Astra Mk-1 offers higher range than MICA. Not even going into the offset clauses not being met both by Dassault and Boeing.

Why would iaf use thier prized possession if it isn't even armed with its main bvr missile which was main selling point
Why would they risk it in op sindoor why would navy even consider them and also orders them if iaf was facing such issues this guys source might not be as credible as we think
It doesn't make sense it could be that iaf rafale aren't connected with iaccs but I don't think they aren't armed with meteor
It isn't late navy and iaf should still cosinder rafale with gan aesa radar with indian ew package and Indian mission computer so we can integrate indian weapon package too in future

 

[Ajatshatru]

India should work on developing a nuclear-powered aircraft capable of flying without the need for refueling. United States had explored this concept during World War II but abandoned it due to the catastrophic risk of a nuclear disaster in the event of a crash. However, the idea has resurfaced, and the U.S. is reportedly revisiting nuclear propulsion for aircraft. In the future, we might even see nuclear-powered fighter jets—but at the very least, the focus could begin with strategic bombers.


View: https://youtu.be/GJR94GOTsDg?si=CZPrWGJk0xK87AeH

 

[username unkown]

we ignore the airframe loss over Bhatinda.

Evidence for airframe loss over bathinda other than one part of engine

 

[redpanda]

Meteors are not integrated with IAF Rafales, there exists no such pic and even the crash site had MICA launchers only, SPECTRA or not, Rafales still don't carry Indian weapons despite us paying a tonne for it, even Astra Mk-1 offers higher range than MICA. Not even going into the offset clauses not being met both by Dassault and Boeing.

We have seen pics of BS-014 with Meteors though. You can even find it on Google. How would BS-014 can carry Meteor without it getting integrated to it? That's why I am very skeptical to buy this meteor not integrated yet argument.

Rest I agree the are blood suckers and probably want more money/orders for integration of our weapons. 36 rafales are too low for the stuff we are demanding them ngl.

 

[FalconSlayers]

We have seen pics of BS-014 with Meteors though. You can even find it on Google. How would BS-014 can carry Meteor without it getting integrated to it? That's why I am very skeptical to buy this meteor not integrated yet argument.
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Rest I agree the are blood suckers and probably want more money/orders for integration of our weapons. 36 rafales are too low for the stuff we are demanding them ngl.

Again, the pic wasn't clicked in India, but over France as I earlier mentioned during trials. Show me a single pic of them over Indian airspace. We have purchased them, but are yet to be integrated and test fired.

Why would iaf use thier prized possession if it isn't even armed with its main bvr missile which was main selling point
Why would they risk it in op sindoor why would navy even consider them and also orders them if iaf was facing such issues this guys source might not be as credible as we think
It doesn't make sense it could be that iaf rafale aren't connected with iaccs but I don't think they aren't armed with meteor
It isn't late navy and iaf should still cosinder rafale with gan aesa radar with indian ew package and Indian mission computer so we can integrate indian weapon package too in future

What option does Navy have if not Rafales? Navy won't be buying more MiG-29Ks due to RD33 engine having maintenance issues. And by the time Navy gets it is when Rafales here would surely get Meteors but then our own SFDR Astra Mk-3 should be integrated as it has a longer range and likely lower cost than Meteors, but will they on time?

Saar, check the Greek and Qatari orders, Meteor is included in their Rafale purchases.
Because the Froggies use Meteor onlee as a major selling point for the Rafale, not Spectra or anything else.
Egyptians were also supposed to get it but pata nahi.

Meteor (missile) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Italians and Germans run Eurofighters which they had already inducted.
RAF had their Eurofighters running Meteors in 2018

Eurofighters were running AIM-120 as their BVRAAM since Meteor was taking time, it's obvious that they would be in no hurry to integrate it since they already had that capability.

We have purchased Meteors, no one is denying it. But they are yet to be integrated on Rafales of IAF.
Even the French themselves did the first sortie with Rafale + Meteor combo in mid 2021.

View: https://x.com/Armee_de_lair/status/1367533830127689731?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1367533830127689731%7Ctwgr%5E1243bfb72148571f142cf57277f733503a04b41c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurasiantimes.com%2Frafale-fighter-jets-for-the-1st-time-makes-operational-sortie-with-deadly-meteor-missiles%2F

 

[Ajatshatru]

Again, the pic wasn't clicked in India, but over France as I earlier mentioned during trials. Show me a single pic of them over Indian airspace. We have purchased them, but are yet to be integrated and test fired.


What option does Navy have if not Rafales? Navy won't be buying more MiG-29Ks due to RD33 engine having maintenance issues. And by the time Navy gets it is when Rafales here would surely get Meteors but then our own SFDR Astra Mk-3 should be integrated as it has a longer range and likely lower cost than Meteors, but will they on time?

We have purchased Meteors, no one is denying it. But they are yet to be integrated on Rafales of IAF.
Even the French themselves did the first sortie with Rafale + Meteor combo in mid 2021.

View: https://x.com/Armee_de_lair/status/1367533830127689731?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1367533830127689731%7Ctwgr%5E1243bfb72148571f142cf57277f733503a04b41c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurasiantimes.com%2Frafale-fighter-jets-for-the-1st-time-makes-operational-sortie-with-deadly-meteor-missiles%2F

Rafales were acquired as a stop-gap measure. In the long run, nothing will operate at its full potential in the Indian Air Force except indigenous jets or Russian platforms integrated with Indian avionics. In Su-57 apart from the airframe and engines, all critical systems can be replaced with Indian systems.

 

[shade2]

Again, the pic wasn't clicked in India, but over France as I earlier mentioned during trials. Show me a single pic of them over Indian airspace. We have purchased them, but are yet to be integrated and test fired.


What option does Navy have if not Rafales? Navy won't be buying more MiG-29Ks due to RD33 engine having maintenance issues. And by the time Navy gets it is when Rafales here would surely get Meteors but then our own SFDR Astra Mk-3 should be integrated as it has a longer range and likely lower cost than Meteors, but will they on time?

We have purchased Meteors, no one is denying it. But they are yet to be integrated on Rafales of IAF.
Even the French themselves did the first sortie with Rafale + Meteor combo in mid 2021.

View: https://x.com/Armee_de_lair/status/1367533830127689731?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1367533830127689731%7Ctwgr%5E1243bfb72148571f142cf57277f733503a04b41c%7Ctwcon%5Es1_c10&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eurasiantimes.com%2Frafale-fighter-jets-for-the-1st-time-makes-operational-sortie-with-deadly-meteor-missiles%2F

My dude it is not possible that we will buy the missiles but not use/integrate them.

You have arrived at a very weird conclusion.

Most likely because the RoE was to not hit the sacrosanct Paki military assets ordered by Leaderji/Baboons, Meteors were not part of the load-out at all.

Anyway we will get answers about this when they make any additional orders of Rafale for IAF public and the dalals do mudslinging so we'll get definite response.

I also would have preferred additional Su-30 ordered plus Tejas mk2/Gripen-E type jet for the low-end but kya kare RayBan Gang wants those ((( reliable ))) W*stern engines

 

[Tsunami]

Hmmmmm Not per se related but, Hope some enterprising malayali's scrap some paint

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HAL/ADA/DRDO and many other teams will be in Kerala

 

[liberalredditor]

HAL/ADA/DRDO and many other teams will be in Kerala

paint is work scope of drdo jodhpur

 

[neelaslayer]

I think iaf is waiting till drdo and Ada take a look at it.And as per wording we seized the f35 jet.

View: https://x.com/IAF_MCC/status/1934285952064860206?t=D_uc-mU12bM0sx1TWs9SFw&s=19

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/IAF_MCC/status/1934285952064860206

A Royal Navy F-35B fighter recovered off an emergency landing at Thiruvananthapuram International Airport on the night of 14 June 25. Operating from UK Aircraft Carrier, HMS Prince of Wales, it was undertaking routine flying outside Indian ADIZ with Thiruvananthapuram earmarked as the emergency recovery airfield.On having declared a diversion off an emergency, the F35B was detected and identified by the IAF's IACCS network and cleared for the recovery. IAF is providing all necessary support for the rectification and subsequent return of the aircraft.



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On having declared a diversion off an emergency, the F35B was detected and identified by the IAF's IACCS network and cleared for the recovery.