Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (40 Viewers)

[liberalredditor]

Plus India used some very advanced systems

bruh we used 1960 era soviet ad guns with some 2010 era electronics from bel.

 

[Galaxy]

Evidence ? As of now we've vague references to the losses incurred by the IAF even if there's zero information out there on what caused it . You seem to have the inside track . Do share it here to enlighten us lesser beings then .

China has good & the most superior chips & is alternating between trying to persuade ASML to sell them state of the art EUVL systems while simultaneously stealing from them to develop their own indigenous systems & struggling at it .

West consumes Chinese chips for military purposes is all very fine but what's the application & how sensitive is the application unless you're suggesting the mission computer of the F-35 is powered by Chinese chips. What're you ? A 1 USD / post Wumao ?

Clear as day wreckage from the Rafale and India admitting it took losses is not evidence enough for you? I’m not sure why Indians have such a mindset that Chinese equipment is trash when a J-10B shot down a Rafale and the Chinese semiconductor industry is amongst the worlds best.

Here let me make you happy. Chinese chips are garbage, Chinese jets are garbage. 1 Rafale can shoot down 40 J-20s, 1980s chips are more advanced than Chinese chips. How would living in such denial benefit you or India?

 

[randombully]

The vast majority of RCS is the shape of the aircraft. RAM contributes very little and the latest SU-57s are fully covered

RAM contributes very little

No.
Looks like Someone's been watching millinium 7 videos.

RAS and RAM reduce f35's Sparrow sized rcs to golf ball size rcs, that is reduction by factor of 100, or 99% reduction in rcs.

I wouldn't call it "very little" or "little".
It's very significant.
As significant as shaping.

 

[Azaad]

Clear as day wreckage from the Rafale and India admitting it took losses is not evidence enough for you?

That clear as day evidence was deep fake from your employer the MSS. Was proved to be so by multiple people on X.

I’m not sure why Indians have such a mindset that Chinese equipment is trash when a J-10B shot down a Rafale

I'm asking you once again for evidence Wumao. Do you understand the meaning of the word - evidence? Is there an equivalent for it in Mandarin? Or did the CCP delete that word from the Mandarin thesaurus by diktat because it threatened their rule.

Or did Baidu mistranslate screw up once again like all true Chinese products & services, like the HQ ADS or the various radar systems you sold Paxtan , like the JF-17 junk or the Lavi copy you call J-10?

and the Chinese semiconductor industry is amongst the worlds best.

Sure it is. I'm sure you've gone beyond 1 nm SMC.

Here let me make you happy. Chinese chips are garbage, Chinese jets are garbage. 1 Rafale can shoot down 40 J-20s, 1980s chips are more advanced than Chinese chips. How would living in such denial benefit you or India?

It certainly doesn't earn me 1 USD / post like it does you.

 

[Galaxy]

bruh we used 1960 era soviet ad guns with some 2010 era electronics from bel.

India used S-400 too and i was talking about what India used to strike Pakistan. India used Brhamos and SU-30MKIs and probably Rafales and its standoff munitions. India also used extensively planning when it came to flight planning, avoiding known radars, jamming, ect.

So again, Pakistani military targets getting hit didn’t mean Chinese systems didn’t work. Like I said any system can be overwhelmed, Pakistan may have also done a poor job using air defenses such as getting caught off guard, not having enough coverage, not having enough missiles in reserve, not having enough or any point defense systems protecting its longer range SAMs. Likewise India has really good missiles that even a Patriot or S-400 would have a challenge with plus India is not stupid. They used jamming, careful planning, pre designated flight plans, ect.

 

[randombully]

Interesting thing was the YF-23 has visible fan blades but had a superior RCS compared to the YF-22.

No another misconception.
There's no evidence of it having better stealth than f22, only claims by various people.
It's looks more sci-fi so people beleive it was better, while it did have some certain great elements, that are quite futuristic and their evolved versions will probably be seen in 6th gen, but "overall" as a "whole" aircraft it was inferior, in both "frontal" stealth( though was stealthier from sides and back, would have also been stealthier in L and VHF bands) and maneuverability compared to yf22 of that time.
Post in thread 'Global 6th Generation Fighter Aircraft Projects' https://defenceforumbharat.com/thre...ion-fighter-aircraft-projects.461/post-104168

 

[liberalredditor]

India used S-400 too and i was talking about what India used to strike Pakistan. India used Brhamos and SU-30MKIs and probably Rafales and its standoff munitions. India also used extensively planning when it came to flight planning, avoiding known radars, jamming, ect.

So again, Pakistani military targets getting hit didn’t mean Chinese systems didn’t work. Like I said any system can be overwhelmed, Pakistan may have also done a poor job using air defenses such as getting caught off guard, not having enough coverage, not having enough missiles in reserve, not having enough or any point defense systems protecting its longer range SAMs. Likewise India has really good missiles that even a Patriot or S-400 would have a challenge with plus India is not stupid. They used jamming, careful planning, pre designated flight plans, ect.

i am feeling sorry for you that you are under ccp arrest and you need social credits so bad, but you really think india used a s400 unit to counter aliexpress drones?

blud trying hard to not get banned and look like an indian, but i must say your chowmein dalali is good, but translation is bad. can you tell how much ccp pays? i need pocket money, so i am thinking to start dalali in other forums

 

[Srinivas]

first of all, dont be overconfident that china produces bad weapons, yes it gives trash quality to pak but this attitude would be dangerous when we get into tussle with xhina itself. they have a much better academia then us and they have iterational experience + f35 stolen data, just for your preparations consider j35 is 5th gen. galatfehmi me mat raho ki wo khilauna hai, xhina apne side se aaya to humari maa behen ek kar dega sadly, they have huge quantity

China is not a great military power, China is on back foot vis-a-vis India. Chinese weapons are not proven in war.

It is just a paper tiger.

 

[Galaxy]

No.
Looks like Someone's been watching millinium 7 videos.

RAS and RAM reduce f35's Sparrow sized rcs to golf ball size rcs, that is reduction by factor of 100, or 99% reduction in rcs.

I wouldn't call it "very little" or "little".
It's very significant.
As significant as shaping.

The F-35 RCS is mostly achieved through shaping. Those stupid figures people thrown around such as: “golf ball” “marble” size ect is BS as RCS changes due to aspect angle and frequency.

The Rafale also used RAM…..spoiler it still got shot down

 

[randombully]

The F-35 RCS is mostly achieved through shaping. Those stupid figures people thrown around such as: “golf ball” “marble” size ect is BS as RCS changes due to aspect angle and frequency.

The Rafale also used RAM…..spoiler it still got shot down

The F-35 RCS is mostly achieved through shaping. Those

Indeed, it does achieve 0.08-0.15m2 through shaping purely. In this simulation aircraft's surface was considered pure metal

F-35A Radar scattering simulation

Introduction F-35 is the backbone of American stealth fighter fleet, it is intended to replace F-16, F-18C/D, Harrier and A-10. There are currently 3 versions of F-35 which are F-35A, F-35B and F-3…

basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com

In the same simulation.
"Keep in mind though that actual RAM used on stealth aircraft may have absorbing rating of -15 to -25 dB depend on the actual frequency."

Let's take middle ground at 20db sm reduction
Which leads to reduction by a factor of 100 or 99% reduction.
Which is 0.0008-0.0015m2.


So yeah, .

 

[Galaxy]

That clear as day evidence was deep fake from your employer the MSS. Was proved to be so by multiple people on X.


I'm asking you once again for evidence Wumao. Do you understand the meaning of the word - evidence? Is there an equivalent for it in Mandarin? Or did the CCP delete that word from the Mandarin thesaurus by diktat because it threatened their rule.

Or did Baidu mistranslate screw up once again like all true Chinese products & services, like the HQ ADS or the various radar systems you sold Paxtan , like the JF-17 junk or the Lavi copy you call J-10?



Sure it is. I'm sure you've gone beyond 1 nm SMC.

It certainly doesn't earn me 1 USD / post like it does you.

I’m not Chinese or Pakistani and please stop embarrassing yourself with cheap insults and fake AI conspiracies. Everyone seen the video and India admitted it took losses. Even western sources which tend to hype up western equipment and insult Chinese equipment even had to admit a Rafale was lost. I’m shocked that people can be in such denial.

 

[randombully]

The Rafale also used RAM…..spoiler it still got shot down

Rafale doesn't uses f35's level of radar absorbing material.
As that will be lot more expensive, lot more fragile, lot more maintinence.
And in the end it still needs to carry external weapons.
So its stupid to apply that level of ram on jet without internal weapons bay.

F35's pilots are also instructed to not conduct supersonic flights unless necessary as it's ram gets damaged.

 

[Azaad]

It's 4 am Beijing time @rockdog . And you're here much before dawn & are still here way past midnight. Wish more people had your kind of dedication especially given you're still paid 50 cents / post - the same rate per post you were paid 20 years ago whereas recently joined interns like @Galaxy get paid more per post .

And then you have the gall to accuse @E-195 here of being unemployed.

 

[Galaxy]

Indeed, it does achieve 0.08-0.15m2 through shaping purely. In this simulation aircraft's surface was considered pure metal

F-35A Radar scattering simulation

Introduction F-35 is the backbone of American stealth fighter fleet, it is intended to replace F-16, F-18C/D, Harrier and A-10. There are currently 3 versions of F-35 which are F-35A, F-35B and F-3…

basicsaboutaerodynamicsandavionics.wordpress.com

In the same simulation.
"Keep in mind though that actual RAM used on stealth aircraft may have absorbing rating of -15 to -25 dB depend on the actual frequency."

Let's take middle ground at 20db sm reduction
Which leads to reduction by a factor of 100 or 99% reduction.
Which is 0.0008-0.0015m2.


So yeah, .

You are posting a bunch of hypotheticals from a Wordpress that anyone can make. F-35s RAM is classified so is its real RCS. Trying to argue classified RCS figures is like trying to nail jelly to a wall…it’s a pointless waste of time.

 

[randombully]

As for Chinese electronics. Please stop, Chinese electronics did just fine when a J-10s blasted a Rafale out of the sky and also a few other aircraft. This arrogant attitude is what caused India to lose at least 3 aircraft. I work with semiconductors and China has chips that are as good or superior to western chips. It’s all easily found on google. Even the west consumes Chinese chips for military purposes.

So again, Pakistani military targets getting hit didn’t mean Chinese systems didn’t work. Like I said any system can be overwhelmed, Pakistan may have also done a poor job using air defenses such as getting caught off guard, not having enough coverage, not having enough missiles in reserve, not having enough or any point defense systems protecting its longer range SAMs.

"Please stop, Chinese electronics did just fine when a J-10s blasted a Rafale out of the sky and also a few other aircraft."


"So again, Pakistani military targets getting hit didn’t mean Chinese systems didn’t work. Like I said any system can be overwhelmed, Pakistan may have also done a poor job using air defenses such as getting caught off guard, not having enough coverage".

 

[Galaxy]

"Please stop, Chinese electronics did just fine when a J-10s blasted a Rafale out of the sky and also a few other aircraft."


"So again, Pakistani military targets getting hit didn’t mean Chinese systems didn’t work. Like I said any system can be overwhelmed, Pakistan may have also done a poor job using air defenses such as getting caught off guard, not having enough coverage".

Stop wasting my time by quoting me and then posting a stupid emoji. You lost move along.

 

[randombully]

You are posting a bunch of hypotheticals from a Wordpress that anyone can make. F-35s RAM is classified so is its real RCS. Trying to throw argue classified RCS figures is like t

Trying to throw argue classified RCS figures is like trying to nail jelly to a wall…it’s a pointless waste of time.

Anyone can make?
Looks like you didn't read the simulation.

Trying to throw argue classified RCS figures is like trying to nail jelly to a wall…it’s a pointless waste of time.

Just like you "claiming" RAM plays a " very little" role.

As for "golf ball"
US airforce general General Mike Hostage (former head of Air Combat Command), in multiple interviews, stated that:

> “The F-35 has a radar signature comparable to a metal golf ball from the front aspect.”

 

[Azaad]

I’m not Chinese or Pakistani and please stop embarrassing yourself with cheap insults and fake AI conspiracies.

You gave yourself away long ago Wumao. Enjoy your brief sojourn here.

Everyone seen the video and India admitted it took losses.

You specifically stated the Lavi imitation you call J-10 shot down the Rafale with the PL-17. I've asked you repeatedly for the evidence. Post it here & shut me up. In fact you can shut the entire forum up. Go ahead. What's preventing you? The goodness of your heart?

Even western sources which tend to hype up western equipment and insult Chinese equipment even had to admit a Rafale was lost. I’m shocked that people can be in such denial.

I ask you once again descendant of those who ate each other during the great leap forward please post the evidence of the Lavi imitation shooting down the Rafale. You want me to translate that in Mandarin? Don't be shy. Just ask. Google Translate does a much better job of these things than Baidu mistranslate.

 

[randombully]

Stop wasting my time by quoting me and then posting a stupid emoji. You lost move along.

Yeah.
When chinese systems failed to intercept, it was because pakistan probably made a mistake in using them.

When j10 "allegedly" shot a rafale it was because it was good.

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Quite a contradiction, I would say.

 

[Sanglamorre]

You gave yourself away long ago Wumao. Enjoy your brief sojourn here.


You specifically stated the Lavi imitation you call J-10 shot down the Rafale with the PL-17. I've asked you repeatedly for the evidence. Post it here & shut me up. In fact you can shut the entire forum up. Go ahead. What's preventing you? The goodness of your heart?


I ask you once again descendant of those who ate each other during the great leap forward please post the evidence of the Lavi imitation shooting down the Rafale. You want me to translate that in Mandarin? Don't be shy. Just ask. Google Translate does a much better job of these things than Baidu mistranslate.

Alright, what do you reckon, wumao residing in the West or Muzzie Dearborner/Londonistan trying hard not to simp for Pakistan so taking a circuitous route?