What “trap” this is my first time ever talking to you and now you will regret being so rude.
I’m not Chinese or even Pakistani, I’m not sure what is the deal with making racial accusations whenever you lose arguments? My argument was China is one of the world tech leaders. Elon Musk, Bill Gates have praised the rapid advances in Chinese tech….quick insult them and call them China men. How mature of you, you are a debating juggernaut. I’m shivering in my boots.
Who said F-22 is outdated? How about your own links you posted? Try reading your sources next time. Besides that it’s easy to find aviation experts such as James Smith, or US government officials acknowledging the F-22 being outdated. One does not need to have an IQ of 200 to know the F-22 lacks MAWS, DIRCM, IRST, HMD and has virtually no sensor fusion as there are no other systems to even fuse to and because of this the F-22 has poor situational awareness and lacks defensive counters because of it. The F-22 is hopefully outdated in terms of its avionics, it’s stuck using a legacy design philosophy dating back to the Cold War. Let’s use common sense, the first production F-22 was delivered in January 2003. It take 3 to 5 years from start of research and development of chips to the time they are being developed in foundry’s, that means F-22s are flying around using chips developed between 1998 and 2000! This is when people still used flip phones, floppy disks, satellite dishes, CDs, Sony Walkmen, land lines, AOL, and desk top computers were the size of large kitchen cabinets
Not only that but most chips in military use were actually first adopted for civilian markets due to commercial demand which drive companies to innovate. Meaning most chips in military applications have already been out for a few years so in reality there is probably chips on the F-22 dating back to the mid 1990s….good luck trying to stay competitive with tha F-35, SU-57, J-20, J-35 or even F-15EX.
IRDS is not DIRCM and the ironic part is you posted an article that admits the F-22 is outdated….you are the only when who “fell in a trap” what’s even more satisfying is you set the trap yourself and walked into it.
Moreover, there are precisely 0 F-22 with those upgrades and it take years of R&D before any of it is installed so again the F-22 is outdated even according to your own sources.
The link just states that Pratt and Whitney got a contract to “sustain” 400 engines, this is basically to provide replacement parts and probably replace really warn out engines. The only thing P&W will do is make software updates for the engine which will result in more thrust but probably not much more as the software will primarily just feed more fuel making the engine less efficient at higher throttle. This is the only thing that is possible as the F-119 can not take in any more volume of air due to its limitations in inlet size. This just means the engine will run more rich thus less efficiently. I tunes engines, and there is no ways around it. You want more power without compromising efficiency you need to make the inlet larger or somehow force more air through the combustion chamber. This is why the F-135 engine is so massive, bigger inlet means more fuel…meaning more power.
In other words this amazing upgrade is just a software modification to pump more fuel into a 1980s early 1990s engine.
Again your link says the F-22 uses outdated systems such as cathode ray tubes. Projecting HUD on to the visor is also not something new, it’s been used for many years. The F-35 helmet does that but also has the ability to use cameras and essentially see outside the aircraft with the DAS system, radar, ect to see far and wide and in different IR wavelengths. The Russians and Chinese have similar systems. So again the F-22 even with this upgrade would be obsolete.
Yes, exactly. The F-22 was ahead of its time but it was also designed in the late 1980s and early 1990s while using mid 1990s to early 2000s technology. No one doubts its excellent stealth, or powerful engines and radar but it is completely outclassed by newer aircraft. Most of the links you posted acknowledged the F-22 used outdated systems. Most subjective people would say most F-22 “upgrades” were not sufficient but rather intended to extend the life of the aircraft and give it marginal improvements. The engines are still 1980s early 1990s tech, the HUD that it will get is not new, as they were used back in the 1980s and even if it gets all those upgrades it will still lack well behind other aircraft.
India had no business demanding 50/50 share when they only gave 295 million while it cost Russia 10 to 20 billion. Not only that but India had virtually no experience developing an aircraft. The best India could do was build the Tejas which is basically a 1980s airframe that French engineers aided with while using, avionics mostly from Israel and engines from US. It’s like some guy in his garage going to Toyota or BMW offering them a few grand to design a super car and then this guy wants full insider access and 50% work-share. That is just ridiculous and you know it but are trying everything to spin it in favor of India.
Yea Russia really “screws” India by giving them full source codes, technology transfer, consulting and selling SU-30s for as cheap as 37M at one point. It was mostly Russian technology that flattened Pakistan airbases while protected Indian assets via S-400…..those stupid Russians. By your logic, India screwed India with the Arjun tank, it took an eternity to develop and it was very expensive and not even that great of a tank.
Most aircraft carriers also cost between 5 billion to 15 billion dollars and you are screaming you got ripped off? The INS Vikramaditya also had extensive structural, corrosion, wiring issues that were not fully known until later. Either way India inspected the carrier and probably never noticed the damages itself so half of it is the fault of India. Russia could have easily just left all the rust and rotting wire and gave India a ship in poor condition.
I’m not going to keep talking about the F-22 as your own sources already acknowledged it to be outdated. It’s also silly how you claim the F-22 is more advanced then the SU-57 while the SU-57 uses much newer and more advanced chips while having a bunch of avionics the F-22 does not and will never have.
As for R&D for the PAKFA, India gave almost nothing and wanted everything while providing almost no real expertise. India as always made bad decisions by pulling out of the program and payed for it during the latest aerial skirmishes with Pakistan in 2019 and 2025. The SU-57M1 will have some major redesign changes, new flat nozzle engines, super cruise, new weapons, avionics, improved cockpit, sensor fusion, new helmet, ability to integrate with stealthy loyal wingman, long range stealth cruise missiles, and all new sensors.
At the time India was acting poorly, in my mind like a child screaming give me now, give me give me!!! But these things take years. During 2009/2010 Russia did not have the ability to come up with such advanced as the technology was limited at the time, it would also take years of R&D and years of input from test pilots and combat experience to evolve the aircraft and make it better. India having also no experience with building modern aircraft did not know these things. They were rash and naive but now the SU-57 has evolved tremendously, it has features that in 2009/2010 people could only have dreamed of. The Russians knew this, they knew it would evolve, change and improve…the Indians were short sided. I hope they are happy with Tejas and Rafale.
This is the reason I think you continue to earn 50 cents / post even after 20 years & haven't still received a promotion stuck as you're with DFI / DFB . It's the same reason you failed your Gaokao examination.
