Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (45 Viewers)

[randombully]

Things are slowly coming out.

View: https://youtu.be/qEizW2sLEno?si=3u_omlJWm61QWCNQ

But I'd like to clarify somethings here.
X guard, meteor etc are all integrated with Indian rafale, but integration alone doesn't mean all the rafales in our fleet will be able to use them, after inegration is done, the software needs to be uploaded to each fighter jet separately, plus integrated hardware needs to be to brought to be used or assist in enabling, along with flight tests to see every thing is working as it should.
Like how after a fighter jet prototype development is done, and jet goes into production, the production standard jets also go through basic flight and mission testing to check if everything is working properly.

Our airforce did not bother to separately enable meteor, x guard etc to be usable by majority of our rafale fleets.
Instead in their minds all these things are part of ISE, and will be enabled in each rafale as each rafale gets ISE upgrades seperately, and as said before ISE Implementation is delayed.
Now that ISE also includes complex upgrades, but enabling of systems like meteor , x guard is relatively quite easy and simple to do ( easy by military aviation standards) and could be done separately to all Indian rafales in few months while complex ISE capabilities remained delayed sperately.
but as said before, IAF didn't bother to do it.

 

[randombully]

VL-SRSAM with 40-50km range is equivalent to CAMM-ER (Land Ceptor/Sea Ceptor). Does this have dual pulsed solid motor derived from ASTRA MK2?

Has the official range for it been disclosed?

50km, based on astra mk1.

 

[Interested]

View: https://x.com/VinodDX9/status/1943946078891782268

Literally no choice but to make Tejas variants by the hundreds quickly to build up the numbers

 

[Interested]

50km, based on astra mk1.

The dual pulse motor is a A2A thing isn't it so that the missile can speed up at various points .

Is that the same for the S2A variant as well ?

 

[officewarrior]

Things are slowly coming out.

View: https://youtu.be/qEizW2sLEno?si=3u_omlJWm61QWCNQ

But I'd like to clarify somethings here.
X guard, meteor etc are all integrated with Indian rafale, but integration alone doesn't mean all the rafales in our fleet will be able to use them, after inegration is done, the software needs to be uploaded to each fighter jet separately, plus integrated hardware needs to be to brought to be used or assist in enabling, along with flight tests to see every thing is working as it should.
Like how after a fighter jet prototype development is done, and jet goes into production, the production standard jets also go through basic flight and mission testing to check if everything is working properly.

Our airforce did not bother to separately enable meteor, x guard etc to be usable by majority of our rafale fleets.
Instead in their minds all these things are part of ISE, and will be enabled in each rafale as each rafale gets ISE upgrades seperately, and as said before ISE Implementation is delayed.
Now that ISE also includes complex upgrades, but enabling of systems like meteor , x guard is relatively quite easy and simple to do ( easy by military aviation standards) and could be done separately to all Indian rafales in few months while complex ISE capabilities remained delayed sperately.
but as said before, IAF didn't bother to do it.

So it means we have a pathetic air force and all responsible members should be publicly hanged for this fiasco its been 6 yrs since rafale is in service and indespensible weapons are still not integrated which we paid in full.

#Purge indian air force

 

[randombully]

So it means we have a pathetic air force and all responsible members should be publicly hanged for this fiasco its been 6 yrs since rafale is in service and indespensible weapons are still not integrated which we paid in full.

#Purge indian air force

As said before, the main blame lies with dassult as these things were part of ISE upgrades/modifications, and ISE is delayed.

But IAF as an institution is also to be blamed, for reasons already mentioned in my previous post.

 

[randombully]

The dual pulse motor is a A2A thing isn't it so that the missile can speed up at various points .

Is that the same for the S2A variant as well ?

Dual pulse is not just for more range.
It also helps in end game kinematics.
For example, if a target is at 100km, then astra mk2 will have much more remaining energy than astra mk1 at that range while astra mk2 does not have much increase in size and only some increase in weight over astra mk1.

 

[sunnyv]

VL-SRSAM with 40-50km range is equivalent to CAMM-ER (Land Ceptor/Sea Ceptor). Does this have dual pulsed solid motor derived from ASTRA MK2?

Has the official range for it been disclosed?

Hi ,
No Ver2 not yet in pipeline for Navy's VL-SAM req. MRSAM takes that role for time being.
For vertical launch as of now they have already tested ASTRA-1 (Cold launch or Hot Launch i am not 100 percent sure but i Guess Hot Launch type looking at windy conditions our ships face, few brochures and few slow-mo videos on YouTube) for very close range in March 2025.
And if it is indeed hot launch, i suspect range less than 40 kms as of now.

Problem is Navy's VLS is not same for different loadouts.

MRSAM ( Cold Launch Israeli Hatch type) (Cold Launch Circular type) VLSAM (Hot Launch Indian Cost effective type) all are different Launchers. In ideal world we should have gone with a single Universal launcher and if not possible maximum 2 different types.

BARAK8 LAUNCHER​

BRAHMOS LAUNCHER​

ASTRA VL-SRSAM LAUNCHER​

So integration and testing ASTRA-2 once production starts can only be done from ships having Indian VLS only. And cherry on top it itself was changed over time. Lol but welcome to India we are still learning. Once NGMV is inducted in 2028 perhaps platform would be available to test ASTRA2 Launch from same VLSAM launcher or new one. God knows



But if u remember this VLSAM is borne out of Point defence requirement. So fingers crossed if someone can push ASTRA2 VLSAM as replacement for BARAK8.

By the way, ASTRA-2 launcher for A2A mode is supposed to be Ejector type launcher instead of Rail type, and that itself took time for development and its still in trials. So one ASTRA-2 comes into production stage one might see NAVAL extension of the same with compatibility with at-least one of prev developed launcher types.

If our experts can negotiate with Jews and Ruskies to allow Barak8 launcher as standard for both BRAHMOS and BARAK8 and in future for upcoming SMART, NIRBHAY aka LRLACM, ASTRA2 VLSAM, ASTRA1 VLSAM, NAVAL PRALAY or NAVAL LORA, NAVAL PINAKA etc.
Imagine how much less time and flexibility Navy would have.

SCENARIO -
Hi this is INS-Alpha my pack is finished in hitting Gwadar, now i want Long Range Nirbhay to hit even more deep. Over and Out.

SUPPORT - Alpha msg noted , Nirbhay ready to be loaded on same launcher would you like some Naval LORA also. We can load same on your universal launcher

ALPHA - Yes why not, also load some Naval Pinaka with Pig fat on warhead and written with Love from Raveena.

SUPPORT - Copied Sir. All loaded and ready best of Luck for Op Sindoor-2. Your protection will be done by INS BRAVO. Those guys are carrying 24 BARAK8, 16VLSAMS and 12 VSHORADS. Happy Hunting Sir. Over and Out

 

[Brood Father]

God, If Rafales was not equipped with decoys then why did we use it in combat . Looks like no one was serious about it .For Govt , babus and Generols it was just a photo op mission
They became serious only when we lost jets .
This is pathetic state of affairs .

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Things are slowly coming out.

View: https://youtu.be/qEizW2sLEno?si=3u_omlJWm61QWCNQ

But I'd like to clarify somethings here.
X guard, meteor etc are all integrated with Indian rafale, but integration alone doesn't mean all the rafales in our fleet will be able to use them, after inegration is done, the software needs to be uploaded to each fighter jet separately, plus integrated hardware needs to be to brought to be used or assist in enabling, along with flight tests to see every thing is working as it should.
Like how after a fighter jet prototype development is done, and jet goes into production, the production standard jets also go through basic flight and mission testing to check if everything is working properly.

Our airforce did not bother to separately enable meteor, x guard etc to be usable by majority of our rafale fleets.
Instead in their minds all these things are part of ISE, and will be enabled in each rafale as each rafale gets ISE upgrades seperately, and as said before ISE Implementation is delayed.
Now that ISE also includes complex upgrades, but enabling of systems like meteor , x guard is relatively quite easy and simple to do ( easy by military aviation standards) and could be done separately to all Indian rafales in few months while complex ISE capabilities remained delayed sperately.
but as said before, IAF didn't bother to do it.

This is pretty much raise a question?

What exactly IAF is trying to achieve by buying Rafale's. We got delivery from 2018 to 2021. For the last 4 years, there is no integration of Missiles, bombs developed by India. We did not get meteor integration, even the Decoy system is not delivered. Then barring SDR systems nothing come significantly from this platform. Instead the SU30MKI proved more useful by launching A.


This proves to be the Mig 29K situation, all glits and glamour and the platform is basically useless for Navy.

I will pretty much goes with 114 SU-30MKI with composite airframe. Screw Russians for certifications. Let HAL handle the certification. At least the SU-30MKI can carry , Astra Mk1, MK2, NGRAM, Rudram 2, HSLD Bombs etc.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Hi ,
No Ver2 not yet in pipeline for Navy's VL-SAM req. MRSAM takes that role for time being.
For vertical launch as of now they have already tested ASTRA-1 (Cold launch or Hot Launch i am not 100 percent sure but i Guess Hot Launch type looking at windy conditions our ships face, few brochures and few slow-mo videos on YouTube) for very close range in March 2025.
And if it is indeed hot launch, i suspect range less than 40 kms as of now.

Problem is Navy's VLS is not same for different loadouts.

MRSAM ( Cold Launch Israeli Hatch type) (Cold Launch Circular type) VLSAM (Hot Launch Indian Cost effective type) all are different Launchers. In ideal world we should have gone with a single Universal launcher and if not possible maximum 2 different types.

BARAK8 LAUNCHER​

View attachment 43096

BRAHMOS LAUNCHER​

View attachment 43097

ASTRA VL-SRSAM LAUNCHER​

View attachment 43098



So integration and testing ASTRA-2 once production starts can only be done from ships having Indian VLS only. And cherry on top it itself was changed over time. Lol but welcome to India we are still learning. Once NGMV is inducted in 2028 perhaps platform would be available to test ASTRA2 Launch from same VLSAM launcher or new one. God knows

View attachment 43094

But if u remember this VLSAM is borne out of Point defence requirement. So fingers crossed if someone can push ASTRA2 VLSAM as replacement for BARAK8.

By the way, ASTRA-2 launcher for A2A mode is supposed to be Ejector type launcher instead of Rail type, and that itself took time for development and its still in trials. So one ASTRA-2 comes into production stage one might see NAVAL extension of the same with compatibility with at-least one of prev developed launcher types.

If our experts can negotiate with Jews and Ruskies to allow Barak8 launcher as standard for both BRAHMOS and BARAK8 and in future for upcoming SMART, NIRBHAY aka LRLACM, ASTRA2 VLSAM, ASTRA1 VLSAM, NAVAL PRALAY or NAVAL LORA, NAVAL PINAKA etc.
Imagine how much less time and flexibility Navy would have.

SCENARIO -
Hi this is INS-Alpha my pack is finished in hitting Gwadar, now i want Long Range Nirbhay to hit even more deep. Over and Out.

SUPPORT - Alpha msg noted , Nirbhay ready to be loaded on same launcher would you like some Naval LORA also. We can load same on your universal launcher

ALPHA - Yes why not, also load some Naval Pinaka with Pig fat on warhead and written with Love from Raveena.

SUPPORT - Copied Sir. All loaded and ready best of Luck for Op Sindoor-2. Your protection will be done by INS BRAVO. Those guys are carrying 24 BARAK8, 16VLSAMS and 12 VSHORADS. Happy Hunting Sir. Over and Out

we will hv already aakash ng (70 km) nd kusha 1 (150 km) to replace barak 8 (100 km range) from navy. they just need some modification for naval ships. no need to build a another astra 2 based dual pulse sam missile for navy.
In future we should make 3 layers of sam missiles for bigger naval worships.
kusha 3 = 350 km range (which can counter ballistic missiles also).
kusha 2 = 250 km range.
kusha 1 = 150 km range.

after that in close range:-
1:- we should hv one or two american RIM 162 (ESSM) type desi system= with 50 km range.
2:- two - four Gatling guns for close range target = 5km approx range.
3:- one lazer system for close range safety.

 

[shade2]

This is pretty much raise a question?

What exactly IAF is trying to achieve by buying Rafale's.

>Amerimutt stuff is a No-No for now, IAF surely want those AIM-120Ds tho

>Eurofighter is a 4 country project with each having a veto on the sale

>Gripen has a US engine and Italian radar, it's not fully Swedish

>Ruskals offering rebadged Su30 and Mig29 variants onlee

If not le Rafale then who?

 

[Drwho]

Some people here are biggest traitors. They want iaf an Air Force of 150 crore people. To remain without air crafts. Indian old mig 29 jaguar mig 21 and old batch SU 30 if u remove these ancient jets and also almighty tejas without engine . We have less than 2 squadron.
Less than 2 modern squadron. This is a joke of number. Even bloody Finland has better jets.

And here it’s same story which one which one. Arre kuch bhi . With good weapon system and 4.5++ gen. Even Su 57 or fa 18 or Rafale anything is better than those grandpa generation jets.

Dalal dalali do they think if we buy from govt govt we won’t have cuts n deal made ? Reliance or Adani Ambani or any oni. They will make money. You can’t drive Delhi to Chandigarh without ghoos. This will happen no matter what u do. Just bloody buy and handle the shut.

Can u imagine driving a 60 years old car which runs everyday. It’s obsolete. No one fly these jets .

 

[liberalredditor]

Some people here are biggest traitors. They want iaf an Air Force of 150 crore people. To remain without air crafts.

we wanting will not do anything, we want 1000 tejas mk2 1000 amca, will it happen? will is absent from hal, iaf, MoD to procure anything. look at the seriousness of plaaf, they have almost replaced j7 with j10. we have moles and traitors in huge amount we cannot even remove now.

as for your argument of 60 year old aircrafts running, i agree, we all do. but 30-40 years for military aircraft is nothing. we are going to see 100 years of ops of american b52. if we do proper maintenance and regular mid life refits and upgrades after 14-15 years then it isnt much issue. its the electronics which fight.

problem is we never seriously thought of re engining the jaguar, when we thought of buying with honeywell, they quoted x amount. then MoD, iaf go into hibernation. then they again go to honeywell after 8-9 years and expect them to sell at same amount, obviously they wont. now they start crying expensive engines. and at this moment you get a wild card entry, his excellency HAL, with promise of htfe 40 under a set timeframe to re engine the jaguar. and they brutally fail with the timelines of htfe 25, forget 40.

its a collective failure of this banana republic. i doubt if there would be any serious and dedicated babu in MoD, the moles and corrupt babus would have made sure to get him transferred to the worst of ministries like textiles and others

 

[Ajatshatru]

Things are slowly coming out.

View: https://youtu.be/qEizW2sLEno?si=3u_omlJWm61QWCNQ

But I'd like to clarify somethings here.
X guard, meteor etc are all integrated with Indian rafale, but integration alone doesn't mean all the rafales in our fleet will be able to use them, after inegration is done, the software needs to be uploaded to each fighter jet separately, plus integrated hardware needs to be to brought to be used or assist in enabling, along with flight tests to see every thing is working as it should.
Like how after a fighter jet prototype development is done, and jet goes into production, the production standard jets also go through basic flight and mission testing to check if everything is working properly.

Our airforce did not bother to separately enable meteor, x guard etc to be usable by majority of our rafale fleets.
Instead in their minds all these things are part of ISE, and will be enabled in each rafale as each rafale gets ISE upgrades seperately, and as said before ISE Implementation is delayed.
Now that ISE also includes complex upgrades, but enabling of systems like meteor , x guard is relatively quite easy and simple to do ( easy by military aviation standards) and could be done separately to all Indian rafales in few months while complex ISE capabilities remained delayed sperately.
but as said before, IAF didn't bother to do it.

Such integration issues with Tejas, immediately faces heavy criticism. But in the case of Rafale, there’s hardly any noise—even though they aren’t arriving with the Indian UTTAM AESA radar because Dassault quoted an unreasonably high price for its integration. That’s why I’ve always maintained that no fighter will be as seamlessly compatible with Indian systems as Tejas and the upgraded Super Sukhoi. Only after Rafales are fully integrated with Indian systems will the Indian Air Force be able to utilize their full potential. Also, India urgently needs to develop its own X-Guard type towed decoy system.

 

[FalconSlayers]

This proves to be the Mig 29K situation, all glits and glamour and the platform is basically useless for Navy.

Your MiG-29K can fire Astra Mk-3 in future, Rafale can't. Your MiG-29K can fire NASM-MR anti-ship missiles of 350km range, Rafale can't. It's best anti-ship missile is the Exocet which is essentially the French equivalent of the American Harpoon missile, with only 120km range. It's not "MiG-29K situation", it is Su-30 MKI situation where you simply downplay the Russian equipment to exaggerate imports and it gives you no major advantage. Imagine what would've happened if our Rafales had to fight a prolonged war? It can only fire imported weapons, which the Europeans anyways are very slow to churn out and deliver. Once you run out of stock, they are good for nothing. While the junk MiG-29K and Flankers can keep on firing our own air-launched missiles for far longer. Except more reliable engines, I see no major advantage it gives to us, especially after throwing $15 billion on mere 52 aircrafts.

>Amerimutt stuff is a No-No for now, IAF surely want those AIM-120Ds tho

>Eurofighter is a 4 country project with each having a veto on the sale

>Gripen has a US engine and Italian radar, it's not fully Swedish

>Ruskals offering rebadged Su30 and Mig29 variants onlee

If not le Rafale then who?

Su-30 MKI in larger numbers, but import dalali khoon me hai inke. The way IAF procurement goes I wonder if it has been compromised. But again, as I mentioned in previous post that the current circus is their own making. They have no good options, only good one was backing the LCA apart from more Flankers and not giving it step-motherly treatment by drooling over imports, they're now paying for it.

 

[shade2]

Su-30 MKI in larger numbers, but import dalali khoon me hai inke. The way IAF procurement goes I wonder if it has been compromised. But again, as I mentioned in previous post that the current circus is their own making. They have no good options, only good one was backing the LCA apart from more Flankers and not giving it step-motherly treatment by drooling over imports, they're now paying for it.

If their focus was on building capability instead of impoorting they could have built up so much on the Su30, if they didn't want DRDO making radar and electronics they could have gone to jooz or some other willing foreign vendor for the upgrade.

It's totally gold since we can integrate our own weapons seamlessly.

Meanwhile I have seen videos of these Turkan pilots using fucking tablets inside their F16 to fire their own Turkan missiles like they're Ukraine or some shit OTOH

Our guys just don't care to use the Su30 platform to it's fullest, running after one wunderwaffe import to the next.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Some people here are biggest traitors. They want iaf an Air Force of 150 crore people. To remain without air crafts. Indian old mig 29 jaguar mig 21 and old batch SU 30 if u remove these ancient jets and also almighty tejas without engine . We have less than 2 squadron.
Less than 2 modern squadron. This is a joke of number. Even bloody Finland has better jets.

And here it’s same story which one which one. Arre kuch bhi . With good weapon system and 4.5++ gen. Even Su 57 or fa 18 or Rafale anything is better than those grandpa generation jets.

Dalal dalali do they think if we buy from govt govt we won’t have cuts n deal made ? Reliance or Adani Ambani or any oni. They will make money. You can’t drive Delhi to Chandigarh without ghoos. This will happen no matter what u do. Just bloody buy and handle the shut.

Can u imagine driving a 60 years old car which runs everyday. It’s obsolete. No one fly these jets .

dude we r not poland or other developed nation, especially a nato country... compaire urself with developing nation. except china we r better than all developing countries. who told u su 30, mig 29, tejas etc r 60 year old ancient fighters??? these r 4 genration fighters nd they r not obselete. coz u can see large amount of 4 genration fighters operated in USA, china nd russia. yes we lack 4.5 nd 5 genration fighter, but it didnt mean we become joke. if u r saying indian air force is joke, why USA, russia nd european countries ready to exercise with joke airforce. why people r wasting their time practicing against "ancient airforce"? coz they r not dumb like u. who think war wins on specifications of weapons. we hv enough air force quality, which our defence budget provide us. yeah their is always room for improvement nd getting better.

 

[Drwho]

we wanting will not do anything, we want 1000 tejas mk2 1000 amca, will it happen? will is absent from hal, iaf, MoD to procure anything. look at the seriousness of plaaf, they have almost replaced j7 with j10. we have moles and traitors in huge amount we cannot even remove now.

as for your argument of 60 year old aircrafts running, i agree, we all do. but 30-40 years for military aircraft is nothing. we are going to see 100 years of ops of american b52. if we do proper maintenance and regular mid life refits and upgrades after 14-15 years then it isnt much issue. its the electronics which fight.

problem is we never seriously thought of re engining the jaguar, when we thought of buying with honeywell, they quoted x amount. then MoD, iaf go into hibernation. then they again go to honeywell after 8-9 years and expect them to sell at same amount, obviously they wont. now they start crying expensive engines. and at this moment you get a wild card entry, his excellency HAL, with promise of htfe 40 under a set timeframe to re engine the jaguar. and they brutally fail with the timelines of htfe 25, forget 40.

its a collective failure of this banana republic. i doubt if there would be any serious and dedicated babu in MoD, the moles and corrupt babus would have made sure to get him transferred to the worst of ministries like textiles and others

brother jaguar is only operated by india. This junk is retired by every other airforce.
Same goes with other jets. No sophisticated and good Air Force operate any of these jets or they are phasing out most. Including mig 29 and old version su30.

And yes we have this problem of not taking defence serious but it will be big problem very soon when we face a formidable airforce. Even paf will have better jet than us . With their dying economy and corruption. Media and opposition should talk about it and government should act on it swiftly.

 

[Drwho]

dude we r not poland or other developed nation, especially a nato country... compaire urself with developing nation. except china we r better than all developing countries. who told u su 30, mig 29, tejas etc r 60 year old ancient fighters??? these r 4 genration fighters nd they r not obselete. coz u can see large amount of 4 genration fighters operated in USA, china nd russia. yes we lack 4.5 nd 5 genration fighter, but it didnt mean we become joke. if u r saying indian air force is joke, why USA, russia nd european countries ready to exercise with joke airforce. why people r wasting their time practicing against "ancient airforce"? coz they r not dumb like u. who think war wins on specifications of weapons. we hv enough air force quality, which our defence budget provide us. yeah their is always room for improvement nd getting better.

We claim to be 4 biggest economy with this Air Force. Money is not issue. Most of these euro country have no enemy. They have joint forces as nato. They have very good location without enemy. Geographically.

As for Asia oceanic region try Australia and Japan and Korea and Taiwan . They have better air crafts.

Most country are phasing out mig 29. Older version su30 without modern radar avionics and maintenance are bad idea in front of china.

Tejas mk1 is not up to 4 or 4.5 gen standard. Also we have minimum number which are not sufficient.

Also we have better skills but not equipment’s. They don’t come to see our 6gen mig 21 or jaguar.

I agree we are not a military rawanda or combodia. But we are not where we needs to be. Context is very important. Our needs and requirements are different.

Yes we need to improve and improve fast. Specially airforce. Navy doesn’t do all this drama but they need acquisitions of 4.5 gen jets. Rest is all fine they don’t do too much nakhra.

Aur dumb hoga tera baap . I never abuse anyone or disrespect other member first. Toh tu bhi thik se bat kar. This a discussion forum not chapri mohalla. Please.