Indian Air Force: News & Discussions (18 Viewers)

[BON PLAN]

It's not problematic "anymore".

the Rafale air intakes needed hard computing and wind tunnel testing campaigns.
It is key for stealth and good air flow for engine

 

[randombully]

From a french source :
ASTRA tested on Rafale at the end of 2025 (as 2 weapons from UAE)

Levée de risques sur le Rafale F5 - RAFALE : The omnirole fighter

Vedette du salon du Bourget 2025, Dassault Aviation et ses partenaires exposaient le Rafale, dans ses versions présente et future. L’occasion de présenter le standard F5 Rafale qui arrivera dans les forces à partir de 2030. 318 millions d’euros pour sécuriser l’innovation Le développement du...

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Franchement… je t’aime bien, toi.

 

[shade2]

Per this defense bro, if you subtract Mk1a orders from planes to be retired( Mirage, Mig29, Jag ) there is a balance of 95 planes

90 Rafales would make 5 squadrons
5-8 could be attrition reserve


View: https://x.com/Aryan_warlord/status/1944814853606326626


If Rafale is bought i really pray we get the ability to integrate our own weapons without paying obscene sums to the frenchman and each plane comes with meteor integration from the factory onlee

 

[redpanda]

Per this defense bro, if you subtract Mk1a orders from planes to be retired( Mirage, Mig29, Jag ) there is a balance of 95 planes

90 Rafales would make 5 squadrons
5-8 could be attrition reserve


View: https://x.com/Aryan_warlord/status/1944814853606326626


If Rafale is bought i really pray we get the ability to integrate our own weapons without paying obscene sums to the frenchman and each plane comes with meteor integration from the factory onlee

For 100+ order they would be very happy to integrate our stuff ig. They might even agree to build more local supply chain for rafale here.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Per this defense bro, if you subtract Mk1a orders from planes to be retired( Mirage, Mig29, Jag ) there is a balance of 95 planes

90 Rafales would make 5 squadrons
5-8 could be attrition reserve


View: https://x.com/Aryan_warlord/status/1944814853606326626


If Rafale is bought i really pray we get the ability to integrate our own weapons without paying obscene sums to the frenchman and each plane comes with meteor integration from the factory onlee

Buy 3 squadrons more and close this chapter, maybe buy more for Navy if TEDBF doesn't reach anywhere which it is likely to as only 26 out of total 57 required have been bought.

And ffs buy more Su-30 MKIs. 42 squads is outdated goal when multirole aircrafts weren't common in use. And with the PLAAF expanding at mind numbing pace, requirement is far more. Which is why I say, buy as many LCA Mk1A and Mk2 apart from Su-30 MKI as possible. AMCA is too far away.

 

[shade2]

For 100+ order they would be very happy to integrate our stuff ig. They might even agree to build more local supply chain for rafale here.

It's already 100+ even if IAF order is 90+ planes, because of the 26 planes of Navy order.
And that's aside from the 36 already in service.

The greedy French merchant must control his urges.

Buy 3 squadrons more and close this chapter, maybe buy more for Navy if TEDBF doesn't reach anywhere which it is likely to as only 26 out of total 57 required have been bought.

And ffs buy more Su-30 MKIs.

Doubt that will happen
It's retarded that HAL has to restart the whole supply chain for a princely sum of 12 planes but then such retardation is a hallmark of our decision makers and users

 

[liberalredditor]

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Buy 3 squadrons more and close this chapter, maybe buy more for Navy if TEDBF doesn't reach anywhere which it is likely to as only 26 out of total 57 required have been bought.

And ffs buy more Su-30 MKIs. 42 squads is outdated goal when multirole aircrafts weren't common in use. And with the PLAAF expanding at mind numbing pace, requirement is far more. Which is why I say, buy as many LCA Mk1A and Mk2 apart from Su-30 MKI as possible. AMCA is too far away.

tedbf official timeline is 2038-39. its over. its a dead program now. even with common subsytems, it will take time, minimum 1 decade

 

[shade2]

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tedbf official timeline is 2038-39. its over. its a dead program now. even with common subsytems, it will take time, minimum 1 decade

Agreed, but the main reason is IAF doesn't want it, without commonality with Airforce, IN won't bother.
It's why they bought Mig29k in the past and Rafale now.
Whenever they get cash for the next carrier expect another Rafale-M or F35B( if that is available ) order

 

[liberalredditor]

Agreed, but the main reason is IAF doesn't want it, without commonality with Airforce, IN won't bother.
It's why they bought Mig29k in the past and Rafale now.
Whenever they get cash for the next carrier expect another Rafale-M or F35B( if that is available ) order

then why aint MoD and Rajnath giving belt treatment? one lash is all it take, remember parrikar saab, how he made iaf buy mk1a.

 

[Drwho]

Rafale had some tough time recently. It will be intresting to see how they fair against china defence and j20.
Without Indian integrated weapons it will very expensive for a country like ours. If induction is in large number.
Money is limited I hope soldiers and official don’t whine when we take money from their or other project pockets.
We might end up Cancel any new recruiting in iaf and save of funds from unnecessary expenses given to soldiers. Like csd or increments of salary.
also there are options of other cheaper jets which fits the pockets. IAF is anyways not at top level with limited jets. So option can be to Invest more in air defence and drones .
or just go all out once for filling total gap and don’t care for budget and buy cheaper options.

Always thought Pakistan is not the country to look while building assets but recent skirmish suggest even a begging Pakistan with help of friends can fight . If not win than just hold us to limited war.

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Buy 3 squadrons more and close this chapter, maybe buy more for Navy if TEDBF doesn't reach anywhere which it is likely to as only 26 out of total 57 required have been bought.

And ffs buy more Su-30 MKIs. 42 squads is outdated goal when multirole aircrafts weren't common in use. And with the PLAAF expanding at mind numbing pace, requirement is far more. Which is why I say, buy as many LCA Mk1A and Mk2 apart from Su-30 MKI as possible. AMCA is too far away.

MK1A will be outclassed against what the Chings (and soon) will be fielding.

If we are relying on 4th gen fighters similarly capable to a mid gen F16 without having a massive numbers advantage, we are fucked.

 

[FalconSlayers]

MK1A will be outclassed against what the Chings (and soon) will be fielding.

If we are relying on 4th gen fighters similarly capable to a mid gen F16 without having a massive numbers advantage, we are fucked.

Something is better than nothing. Their GDP is 5x of India, they will be in far more advantageous position over us for obvious reasons. Instead of having unrealistic expectations, should accept this fact and live with it. Unless India reduces the economic, especially manufacturing and R&D driven output gap with China, peeps should stop dreaming of maintaining any sort of parity with them. This is also the reason why we accepted paki ceasefire request instead of continuing their bund-blasting, to not derail our economic growth or worse, face damage to critical assets like Jamnagar refinery which pakis being the terrorists they are would've desperately tried to hit in case of getting screwed for more days.

Try to strengthen areas where India is largely self-reliant i.e. missiles (offensive and defensive) and drones. Them should act as our deterrents, both offensive and defensive.

 

[snakeeyes07]

Something is better than nothing. Their GDP is 5x of India, they will be in far more advantageous position over us for obvious reasons. Instead of having unrealistic expectations, should accept this fact and live with it. Unless India reduces the economic, especially manufacturing and R&D driven output gap with China, peeps should stop dreaming of maintaining any sort of parity with them. This is also the reason why we accepted their ceasefire instead of continuing their bund-blasting, to not derail our economic growth or worse, face damage to critical assets like Jamnagar refinery which pakis being the terrorists they are would've desperately tried to hit in case of getting screwed for more days.

Try to strengthen areas where India is largely self-reliant i.e. missiles (offensive and defensive) and drones. Them should act as our deterrents, both offensive and defensive.

MK1A is good fighter for IAF. If 220 MK1A (including upgrade of 40 FOC) are inducted by 2031-32, it would have played it's role beautifully. Providing the numbers and balancing the increasing JF-17 squadrons in PAF.

Also, for <=4.5 generation the platforms are important but not as much as the level of integration and BVR missile capability. Supported by AEW&C I can see 4x MK1A armed with Astra mk2 able to defend from 4x J10CE with PL-15 for some time until other fighters can be vectored in.

MK1A can also play Jaguar and Mirage role better, range will be less but that can be compensated by numbers and more refuelers. Also GE F404 will result in higher fleet availability rates.

 

[FalconSlayers]

MK1A is good fighter for IAF. If 220 MK1A (including upgrade of 40 FOC) are inducted by 2031-32, it would have played it's role beautifully. Providing the numbers and balancing the increasing JF-17 squadrons in PAF.

Also, for <=4.5 generation the platform are important but not as much as the level of integration and BVR missile capability. Supported by AEW&C I can see 4x MK1A armed with Astra mk2 able to defend from 4x J10CE with PL-15 for some time until other fighter can be vectored in.

MK1A can also play Jaguar and Mirage role better, range will be less but that can be compensated by numbers and more refuelers. Also GE F404 will result in higher fleet availability rates.

More than aircraft, we need more standoff missiles. Unless BrahMos-NG becomes real and Rudram-3 gets integrated with LCA Mk-1A, I see no major air-to-surface advantages.

IAF should rather focus on air defences, they need to be ordered in very large numbers to absorb/deter missile attacks from PLAAF. The only solution for their large stealth fighter threat will be cratering their runways which won't be easy as it was for pakis. Chinese have spent a ton on their air defences and have a pretty good layered AD system. If somehow we manage to do that, what do we have to prevent them from doing so to us as well? Not much. They can saturate our air defences badly and very easily. Which is why need to increase AD numbers should be bigger priority, along with BMD interceptors, presuming Iran-type saturation attacks.

 

[snakeeyes07]

More than aircraft, we need more standoff missiles. Unless BrahMos-NG becomes real and Rudram-3 gets integrated with LCA Mk-1A, I see no major air-to-surface advantages.

IAF should rather focus on air defences, they need to be ordered in very large numbers to absorb/deter missile attacks from PLAAF. The only solution for their large stealth fighter threat will be cratering their runways which won't be easy as it was for pakis. Chinese have spent a ton on their air defences and have a pretty good layered AD system. If somehow we manage to do that, what do we have to prevent them from doing so? Not much. They can saturate our air defences badly and very easily. Which is why need to increase AD numbers should be bigger priority, along with BMD interceptors, presuming Iran-type saturation attacks.

With PRC, major challenges are:
- LO/Stealth - J20 & J35
- Even if their airbases in Western theater are hit with brahmos and pralay, they are inducting large number of tankers and will be able to sustain air ops against India (their tempo/sustainability will decrease rapidly in this case.)
- PL-17 threat against AEW&Cs and other support aircrafts
- PLA Rocket Force - their TBM arsenal is significant - given the size of 2,500 missiles I suspect around 1,000 can be used against India front. IAF needs to disperse assets on alternate airfields. Also, dedicated BMD for defending airbases and military infra

IAF needs to induct BVR that match PLAAF ones or at least come close to it. Yes on more AD and need to include BMD in that. Along with air-to-surface also focus and use SSM regiments.

Against PRC best way is to prepare massively so that an actual conflict can be deterred.

 

[shade2]

Against PRC best way is to prepare massively so that an actual conflict can be deterred.

May God place this wisdom in Leaderji's mind before it is too late

He's the only guy who can apply danda and get all the usual suspects to behave and increase spending in defense

 

[Noob_Saibot]

Something is better than nothing. Their GDP is 5x of India, they will be in far more advantageous position over us for obvious reasons. Instead of having unrealistic expectations, should accept this fact and live with it. Unless India reduces the economic, especially manufacturing and R&D driven output gap with China, peeps should stop dreaming of maintaining any sort of parity with them. This is also the reason why we accepted paki ceasefire request instead of continuing their bund-blasting, to not derail our economic growth or worse, face damage to critical assets like Jamnagar refinery which pakis being the terrorists they are would've desperately tried to hit in case of getting screwed for more days.

Try to strengthen areas where India is largely self-reliant i.e. missiles (offensive and defensive) and drones. Them should act as our deterrents, both offensive and defensive.

I am not saying we can achieve parity with them, but simply have credible deterrence that will make them think ten times before launching an operation against us.

We cannot match them economically, but we can definitely increase our defence budget two times from current levels. Requires strong leadership to divert funds from all the freebies out overlords are handing out for political gain.

We need to be in a position where the Chings will not find it worthwhile to engage us directly due to the potential costs of doing so.

If we are going to be relying on old tech, we need to up our numbers game.

If nothing else, we need a fuck ton of more warheads (tactical and strategic) to ensure our enemies don't dare to attack us due to the potential consequences.

 

[Interested]

Per this defense bro, if you subtract Mk1a orders from planes to be retired( Mirage, Mig29, Jag ) there is a balance of 95 planes

90 Rafales would make 5 squadrons
5-8 could be attrition reserve


View: https://x.com/Aryan_warlord/status/1944814853606326626


If Rafale is bought i really pray we get the ability to integrate our own weapons without paying obscene sums to the frenchman and each plane comes with meteor integration from the factory onlee

We should be clear . What india wants is the airframe and engine and want the ability to change everything else with our own stuff . No western manufacturer will ever agree to these terms . Never ever will Dassault allow this because that would be a big loss to them.

The only options to do this is either make your own jet and do whatever or hope that Russia is desperate enough to allow this .

 

[Psacha123]

Another update that deal will be finalized by end of this FY.


View: https://x.com/yusufdfi/status/1945334848014713120?s=46

 

[FalconSlayers]

Another update that deal will be finalized by end of this FY.


View: https://x.com/yusufdfi/status/1945334848014713120?s=46

180 Mk1A leaves 220 Mk-2 I guess?

In the next decade, India aims to manufacture over 400 LCA jets powered by variants of GE engines.