Indian Army Armored Vehicles

[Unknowncommando]

Casspir MRAP & Takshak APC

 

[Unknowncommando]

Scorpio RP

 

[Zoid Raptor]

View: https://x.com/wartrophy_414/status/1904871563993702885

 

[Unknowncommando]

View: https://x.com/KonarkCorps/status/1905806951122145360

 

[Unknowncommando]

KSSL APC CLASS II & MAHINDRA ARMADO ALSV in DR Congo

 

[Unknowncommando]

View: https://x.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1885337704428081600

 

[Corvus Splendens]

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Brother here will be much happier with something like this:

1.5-2K INR a piece if bulk ordered.

 

[rkhanna]

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Brother here will be much happier with something like this:
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1.5-2K INR a piece if bulk ordered.

Anybody can help with a technical question?

Why does the mortar have to be rolled out of the bed of the Truck? Why cant we just remove the roof and shoot out the back. wouldnt that save time in the deployment? IMO the space usage should be the same. The Truck Suspension should be able to handle a mortar recoil.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Anybody can help with a technical question?

Why does the mortar have to be rolled out of the bed of the Truck? Why cant we just remove the roof and shoot out the back. wouldnt that save time in the deployment? IMO the space usage should be the same. The Truck Suspension should be able to handle a mortar recoil.

It'll sway between shots and impact accuracy. For a light armored car like that if you make the suspension too stiff, the ride will be atrocious in cross country. A heavy base on solid ground is unbeatable. Howitzers have a lot of stabilization and electronic correction measures because they don't care about that little bit of weight. You can correct between shots without impacting RoF and high caliber artillery has enough splash damage to ignore minor inaccuracies. Mortars neither have the explosive radius of a 155mm shell, nor the time to correct in between shots every time because how rapidly they can fire. Mortars are short range area denial weapons and they need to rapid fire till the barrel gets too hot to service. Having to correct every time because you are firing from the back of a lighter car is not ideal. And the suspension will take stress from that rapid firing. So all the Self Propelled Mortars you see are based on at least 6x6 or 8x8 APCs, if not an outright tracked chassis. Swinging the base plus mortar out with a mechanical arm is a better solution for a manually reloaded crew served mortar. All the SPMs are auto-loaded and heavy enough to fire from the chassis.​

 

[rkhanna]

It'll sway between shots and impact accuracy. For a light armored car like that if you make the suspension too stiff, the ride will be atrocious in cross country. A heavy base on solid ground is unbeatable. Howitzers have a lot of stabilization and electronic correction measures because they don't care about that little bit of weight. You can correct between shots without impacting RoF and high caliber artillery has enough splash damage to ignore minor inaccuracies. Mortars neither have the explosive radius of a 155mm shell, nor the time to correct in between shots every time because how rapidly they can fire. Mortars are short range area denial weapons and they need to rapid fire till the barrel gets too hot to service. Having to correct every time because you are firing from the back of a lighter car is not ideal. And the suspension will take stress from that rapid firing. So all the Self Propelled Mortars you see are based on at least 6x6 or 8x8 APCs, if not an outright tracked chassis. Swinging the base plus mortar out with a mechanical arm is a better solution for a manually reloaded crew served mortar. All the SPMs are auto-loaded and heavy enough to fire from the chassis.​

Thank you - makes sense.

Couple of Followups:

1) Are you assuming the Vehicle is stationary while the mortar is firing?
2) Cant the Suspension of the Truck be modular/hydraulic to go from driving mode to firing mode while stationary?
3) Could their be a middle ground to increase shoot and scoot capability and crew survivability against counter battery fire?
- Can there be a difference in calibre with a Vehicle that is doing expedentiary duties (LRRP/SOF/Scout Recon) vs a Defensive one - i.e setting up a holding perimeter for a FOB

 

[Anants]

Thank you - makes sense.

Couple of Followups:

1) Are you assuming the Vehicle is stationary while the mortar is firing?
2) Cant the Suspension of the Truck be modular/hydraulic to go from driving mode to firing mode while stationary?
3) Could their be a middle ground to increase shoot and scoot capability and crew survivability against counter battery fire?
- Can there be a difference in calibre with a Vehicle that is doing expedentiary duties (LRRP/SOF/Scout Recon) vs a Defensive one - i.e setting up a holding perimeter for a FOB

Short answer i think would be to change platform to Whap

 

[superpower]

Which is this New FICV?

 

[randombully]

Thank you - makes sense.

Couple of Followups:

1) Are you assuming the Vehicle is stationary while the mortar is firing?
2) Cant the Suspension of the Truck be modular/hydraulic to go from driving mode to firing mode while stationary?
3) Could their be a middle ground to increase shoot and scoot capability and crew survivability against counter battery fire?
- Can there be a difference in calibre with a Vehicle that is doing expedentiary duties (LRRP/SOF/Scout Recon) vs a Defensive one - i.e setting up a holding perimeter for a FOB

The suspension and chassy of mahindra armado will need to heavily strengthed for mortar to be fired, plus additional wheels or tracked system would be better for better redistribution of force into the ground.
As for protection against counter battery, armado doesn't have armour strong enough.
So need to add more armour+ heavily strengthen the chassy and suspension-> but now it's too heavy-> more powerful engine ->but sacrifice some range-> gotta make it a bigger vehicle etc
So if you want crew to fire mortar from inside the vehicle, armado is not the vehicle you want.
Best would be a tracked IFV modified for mortar fire, but it would be lot more expensive than armado based mortar carrier.

Army chose a "cheaper" armado based mortar system for shoot and scoot.
instead of something like these.




these are what you are asking.

 

[randombully]

Which is this New FICV?View attachment 29317

Not a new ifv, it's ccpt.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Thank you - makes sense.

Couple of Followups:

1) Are you assuming the Vehicle is stationary while the mortar is firing?
2) Cant the Suspension of the Truck be modular/hydraulic to go from driving mode to firing mode while stationary?
3) Could their be a middle ground to increase shoot and scoot capability and crew survivability against counter battery fire?
- Can there be a difference in calibre with a Vehicle that is doing expedentiary duties (LRRP/SOF/Scout Recon) vs a Defensive one - i.e setting up a holding perimeter for a FOB

1. Shooting on the move is a bad idea because how mortars gets lobbed. Nevermind accuracy. Unless your mortar is absolutely stabilized on something like a gyro mount, that low muzzle exit speed might cause an exiting shell to explode on your roof if you hit a tiny bump.

2. With hydraulic anchor arms sure, but now the car has to lug those around, extra weight means you carry less ammo. It's often not optimal, and can add more time to scoot. Considering how close a 81mm or a 120mm mortar needs to get.

3. Use an 8x8 APC with composite armor and roof cage to act as a Mortar carrier.

As for caliber, the same vehicle can accommodate a 81mm or a 120mm mortar. In the case of something like the Mahindra ALSV, you just carry less ammo for the bigger gun. If you are at a volatile defensive position you use a light howitzer 39 cal. No one is using mortars bigger than 120mm these days.
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[Corvus Splendens]

Army chose a "cheaper" armado based mortar system for shoot and scoot.
instead of something like these.
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Around 7 crore INR for a BMP-2 or 80 lakh INR for an ALSV.

 

[Hawkeye]

Anybody can help with a technical question?

Why does the mortar have to be rolled out of the bed of the Truck? Why cant we just remove the roof and shoot out the back. wouldnt that save time in the deployment? IMO the space usage should be the same. The Truck Suspension should be able to handle a mortar recoil.

No, a mortar recoil is much heavier than it seems. For that you need a light recoil mortar with said special mount on the vehicle.
Of course above case is much faster response time but our case provides the ability to detach mortar and use it as conventional one in case anything happens to vehicle.
I prefer alarkan one which we use, modular and definitely cheaper than purpose build light recoil mortar.