Indian Army Artillery Programme

[Migflug]

View: https://x.com/GeneralBakshi/status/1904233028169388130?t=44jddIRi-NhDofIwS-zJzw&s=19

Finally someone from the fraternity is calling out the BS

 

[Yt2211]

View: https://youtu.be/8KFSarOqaq8?si=-SA3tdzTiAeDfa53

 

[ezsasa]

Aatmanirbhar Bharat: MoD inks Rs 6,900 crore contracts for 155mm/52 Calibre Advanced Towed Artillery Gun Systems & High Mobility Vehicle 6x6 Gun Towing Vehicles to enhance Indian Army’s operational readiness​

Aatmanirbhar Bharat: MoD inks Rs 6,900 crore contracts for 155mm/52 Calibre Advanced Towed Artillery Gun Systems & High Mobility Vehicle 6x6 Gun Towing Vehicles to enhance Indian Army’s operational readiness

Ministry of Defence (MoD) has signed contracts with Bharat Forge Limited and Tata Advanced System Li

pib.gov.in

 

[vampyrbladez]

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1904929090362368302

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1904929090362368302

I wish it happens this very moment with 3 times the numbers of ATAGS... but fast acquisition is only possible if ATAGS route is taken & not multi vendor RFI route.

 

[IndiaRising]

The former DG artillery talks about ATAGs being overweight and not suitable for bridges that can only withstand 15 tonnes. No one ever asked him why Army is not improving its logistics so that it can help move higher caliber weapons.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

I wish it happens this very moment with 3 times the numbers of ATAGS... but fast acquisition is only possible if ATAGS route is taken & not multi vendor RFI route.

How will jernails get top tier yahudi bitches without rfi, please understand.

 

[mist_consecutive]

The former DG artillery talks about ATAGs being overweight and not suitable for bridges that can only withstand 15 tonnes. No one ever asked him why Army is not improving its logistics so that it can help move higher caliber weapons.

Army is heavily upgrading logistics. Weight bottleneck won't be ATAGS but the FAT towing it.

 

[ezsasa]

The former DG artillery talks about ATAGs being overweight and not suitable for bridges that can only withstand 15 tonnes. No one ever asked him why Army is not improving its logistics so that it can help move higher caliber weapons.

that's a parallel project being under taken by BRO since 2015/16. tunnels, roads and bridges.
check MoD annual reports to get the numbers.

 

[johny_baba]

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1904929090362368302

i remember before current Kalyani-DRDO-BEML MGS even came to picture, a tatra truck based predecessor from VFJ was shown many times to public, this predecessor's got Dhanush 155mm/52 cal fork there as main howitzer


View: https://reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/comments/17ccsuw/155mm_self_propelled_howitzer_based_on_tatra/

when i asked around it to teligram folks i talked before, they casually remarked in line...iska centre of gravity hi sahi nahi lag raha, mountains me ludhak jaega also, they found the design to be quite outdated with that tatra truck and things

but now we have better MGS here, i hope they have resolved any centre of gravity issues if any on this newer design

for a better overview of what is on offer here,

View: https://x.com/VivekSi85847001/status/1583461708940840961

 

[samsaptaka]

No one ever asked him why Army is not improving its logistics so that it can help move higher caliber weapons.

Aah, but who my friend will bell the cat ? Our esteemed presstitutes ? Who only want to cover urduwood, cricket & politics and do circle jerk debates 24-7-365. There are some sensible twatter defence journos but they're too much of scaredy cats to ask tough questions lest their 'ekshkloojive' coverage rights and sources go phut. Pathetic state of affairs I know, where none of these genrols nor c.lobby is being called out or held accountable

 

[superpower]

View: https://x.com/manishindiatv/status/1904929090362368302

I sway this is the most sexiest thing what DRDO has made... Minimum Order 700 Nos.

 

[BHARAT KA BETA]

I sway this is the most sexiest thing what DRDO has made... Minimum Order 700 Nos.

Absolutely IT'LL BE A TRUE GAME-CHANGER WORLD-CLASS WEAPON SYSTEM IN ITS CATAGORY, ESPECIALLY WITH THE NEW ROCKET-ASSISTED SHELL ( 57+km ) and RAMJET-ASSISTED SHELL (80+ km)...in my opinion at least 1000 unit should be ordered at first.

 

[johny_baba]

i know and understand about weight constraints, mobility issues and all, but still just as a concept, i was wondering, if it's possible and feasible for us to retire artilleries under 155mm, replaced by different range-weight class artilleries in 155mm

like 105mm IFG, 130mm M-46 replaced by 155mm/39 cal lightweight artilleries by Bharat Forge - meanwhile we're already upgunning M-46 to 155mm 'Sharang' artilleries here

 

[Corvus Splendens]

I sway this is the most sexiest thing what DRDO has made... Minimum Order 700 Nos.

Just keep the joos at bay. They are always looking to plug the ATMOS in the MGS wheeled category.


But I don't expect the joo truck to pass basic mobility trials here anyway.

 

[johny_baba]

i know and understand about weight constraints, mobility issues and all, but still just as a concept, i was wondering, if it's possible and feasible for us to retire artilleries under 155mm, replaced by different range-weight class artilleries in 155mm

like 105mm IFG, 130mm M-46 replaced by 155mm/39 cal lightweight artilleries by Bharat Forge - meanwhile we're already upgunning M-46 to 155mm 'Sharang' artilleries here

seems this response by @Hawkeye covered this query of mine above with further explanations on what we may need in future warfare

In a future of excessive drone presence and very short counter battery time. I don't see any future for either M777 or Kalyani ULH.

Only use case for lighter howitzers is either in Air assault or air drop ops, there too it comes with few things which will be needed absolutely. A similar near 5 tonnes class prime mover which can be similarly air dropped or carried by helis. And ability of the ULH with own APU to move a bit of distance on its own like Singaporean Pegasus LWH smart design choice,to be quickly come into action, automatically lay the gun towards target and getting out of action as fast as possible. With getting out of action and be ready in towed position being the thing which we would want more. I hope this parameter is kept of utmost importance where you just basically press a button and the whole gun moves on its own and changes from firing mode to towed mode within a minute or one and half time period, for ATAGS and future ALTGS as well.

Kalyani ULH is more of a M777 like design and imo not future proof. They should definitely team up with Drdo as developing lighter weight structures, hybrid recoil systems is already in the future roadmap of Drdo for artillery guns.

I believe such a system can be made which could even turn out to be lighter than m777 as it only uses conventional recoil systems.

Not only that with now possible less than a ton 105mm howitzer and less than 2 tons 122mm howitzer, we should also explore the possibility of longer barrel and longer range systems based on above calibres and look at the possibility of very light air droppable and heli carried self propelled variants based on those.

I am pretty sure that in case of war with China, all these gold plated M777 with Shi* mobility and very little availablity of heli carriage support with us will be easy pickings just like that in Ukraine.

But much ATAGS weight is too much Saar. Musings of our forces where weight should not be a matter. M777 with all its light weight is still very much inferior to ATAGS in every parameter which is useful. And Atags can always be paired with a powerful prime mover to improve mobility in mountains. And I doubt you would be able to take m777 to a place where Atags can't be towed to.

We don't even need to look far for inspiration. Just look at the chinese.
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That also reminds me that we definitely need to launch our own heavy lift heli program asap.
And we do have Kalyani Garuda V2 but definitely feels it can be improved further in design rather than straight away copy of Hawkeye.

 

[Blood+]

i know and understand about weight constraints, mobility issues and all, but still just as a concept, i was wondering, if it's possible and feasible for us to retire artilleries under 155mm, replaced by different range-weight class artilleries in 155mm

like 105mm IFG, 130mm M-46 replaced by 155mm/39 cal lightweight artilleries by Bharat Forge - meanwhile we're already upgunning M-46 to 155mm 'Sharang' artilleries here

M-46s are already being converted to 155mm (L/45 caliber).

 

[vishmoon]

ATAGS is good but wanted it to be 15 tonnes max, says former DG of Artillery
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nd1SERSPNxs of course the retd general was behind induction of American(USA) M777 and advocated for more as he is currently now living in USA after retirement as per chatter in defense circles Must watch the contradictory interview of him same on print 3 months back and now.​