Indian Culture and society

[haldilal]

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[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

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ones upon a time they r one of the mightest kingdom in india...from maurya empire, licchvi empire etc. what a downfall.

 

[haldilal]

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[darkflame]

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I never understood the reason for the grudge maharastrians have for gujjus.I don't use reddit anymore but the while i used to nearly all of the posts on the Mumbai subreddit used to be full of anti gujju comments.
Just read the headline lmao. just think of being retarded enough to make fun of failures of another state of your country.

 

[haldilal]

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I never understood the reason for the grudge maharastrians have for gujjus.I don't use reddit anymore but the while i used to nearly all of the posts on the Mumbai subreddit used to be full of anti gujju comments.
Just read the headline lmao. just think of being retarded enough to make fun of failures of another state of your country.

Ya'll It's not about Grudge which you are saying here It's pure comptetion, and nothing indicates that any fun was made here in the post, just stating plain facts, when some poster says will deprive Mumbai of Nada Nada and will bring it to their stats no one accuses them of Anti Maharashtrians, but only reserves this againt Maharashtrians when they post plain facts and twist it into something that it's not?.

 

[GodEmperorDoom]

Why so some wanna be enlightened my-foot on X spew that "Democracy is a shame", "Democracy doesn't work for India" as if we gonna be some Singapore without it? Democracy was never a choice and rather a must for India. Without such, it would be much easier to enable fractures and eventually break up. It is one mechanism which people are able to vent their "-phobia" of other tribal groups.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

ones upon a time they r one of the mightest kingdom in india...from maurya empire, licchvi empire etc. what a downfall.

Ironically i blame Chanakya for the demise of the Magadh Empire.
If you read Arthashastra and see the chapters on 'duties of a king', Chanakya basically makes the case that to be a good king, you must be basically an Elon Musk level of highly motivated workaholic guy, where you wake up at 5am and do state related shit till 8pm every damn day, with your 'personal time' being between 8pm and 10pm and then bedtime.
The greatest flaw in Chanakya-niti is, he doesnt understand humans. He posited a system that works, pretty much only when you have a Vikramaditya or Devpala or Rajendra Chola type of highly motivated, smart, capable king.
So we see what happens to the Magadh Empire AFTER Chanakya dies : it it the latter half of the Maurya dynasty or Shunga or the final Kanva dynasty, the pattern remains the same : 1 outta 5 emperors are actually even trying to meet Chanakya's standards, 2 outta 5 are just 'imma gonna smoke hash and have sex in my harem all the time and empire can go to hell' types and the other 2 are ' its time to be woke buddhist/jain/hindu guy who does sabka vikaas, sabka saath and state pays even more benefits and nanny-ism' crap.

Bihar's history is a cationary tale of how to piss away everything one you have everything : people do not realize this, but once Nanda dynasty expanded the Magadh Empire to directly own all of North India ( prior to the Nandas, Magadh controlled what is modern day Madhya Pradesh, Bihar,Chattisgarh & bengal as part of Magadh, everything else were vassal kingdoms of Kaushalya,Panchala,Kuru, Matsya etc) and at that point, Magadh empire had a bigger economy, population base and military than that of the Sakhamani Persian Empire that Alexander took down.

 

[SKC]

Ironically i blame Chanakya for the demise of the Magadh Empire.
If you read Arthashastra and see the chapters on 'duties of a king', Chanakya basically makes the case that to be a good king, you must be basically an Elon Musk level of highly motivated workaholic guy, where you wake up at 5am and do state related shit till 8pm every damn day, with your 'personal time' being between 8pm and 10pm and then bedtime.
The greatest flaw in Chanakya-niti is, he doesnt understand humans. He posited a system that works, pretty much only when you have a Vikramaditya or Devpala or Rajendra Chola type of highly motivated, smart, capable king.
So we see what happens to the Magadh Empire AFTER Chanakya dies : it it the latter half of the Maurya dynasty or Shunga or the final Kanva dynasty, the pattern remains the same : 1 outta 5 emperors are actually even trying to meet Chanakya's standards, 2 outta 5 are just 'imma gonna smoke hash and have sex in my harem all the time and empire can go to hell' types and the other 2 are ' its time to be woke buddhist/jain/hindu guy who does sabka vikaas, sabka saath and state pays even more benefits and nanny-ism' crap.

Bihar's history is a cationary tale of how to piss away everything one you have everything : people do not realize this, but once Nanda dynasty expanded the Magadh Empire to directly own all of North India ( prior to the Nandas, Magadh controlled what is modern day Madhya Pradesh, Bihar,Chattisgarh & bengal as part of Magadh, everything else were vassal kingdoms of Kaushalya,Panchala,Kuru, Matsya etc) and at that point, Magadh empire had a bigger economy, population base and military than that of the Sakhamani Persian Empire that Alexander took down.

I don't find it as a flaw in Chanakya Neeti but a result of Human nature.

If you want to run an empire which can hold whole of Indian Subcontinent, then Yes you do need to be a Musk level Workaholic or even more. If you are not that then your dynasty will fail eventually and vanish from the scene.​

 

[Screambowl]

Ironically i blame Chanakya for the demise of the Magadh Empire.
If you read Arthashastra and see the chapters on 'duties of a king', Chanakya basically makes the case that to be a good king, you must be basically an Elon Musk level of highly motivated workaholic guy, where you wake up at 5am and do state related shit till 8pm every damn day, with your 'personal time' being between 8pm and 10pm and then bedtime.

Incorrect assessment. The duties of king were clearly mentioned which was not followed by Asoka. He became a sanyasi without leaving the throne after Kalinga war. The conflict of duties of a Brahmin and a Kshatriya were present in his policies.

 

[GaudaNaresh]

Incorrect assessment. The duties of king were clearly mentioned which was not followed by Asoka. He became a sanyasi without leaving the throne after Kalinga war. The conflict of duties of a Brahmin and a Kshatriya were present in his policies.

I don't find it as a flaw in Chanakya Neeti but a result of Human nature.

If you want to run an empire which can hold whole of Indian Subcontinent, then Yes you do need to be a Musk level Workaholic or even more. If you are not that then your dynasty will fail eventually and vanish from the scene​

I think what i failed to communicate, is that the incorrect assumption from Chanakya re: humans is that there will be a long lasting dynasty of Elon Musks, when in reality, humanity means u have an Elon musk every 5-6 generations, the rest are basically just rich kings having fun or rich kings being weaksauce and lazy coz well humans are lazy.
Ofcourse, this is not a knock on Chanakya's theory itself, because in theory you can argue that 'propah education and weeding out system should maintain lineage of Elon Musk kings' but we know in practice, this is impossible to do but its fine as an 'ideal to aspire to'.

Or there is a solution for this - take the king out of the picture for the nitty gritty most part things, as China did and make beurocracy. Ofcourse, it has its own set of flaws that China too suffers from 'Cyclical catastrophic failure syndrome' that is the other end of the equation, as the Chinese ideology is pretty much 'great emperors can massively boost the empire but shit pleasure-seeker emperors dont have much ability to destroy empire by neglecting it, beurocracy kinda runs itself and yes, things stagnate and get shittier over a long time if not rectified, but its not boom to bust of chanakya system of 'great when elon, but insta-implosion when its Ron Jeremy as the new emperor' system. Yet the chanakya system doesnt produce as much catastrophic failure of society as the chinese one, mostly producing reneissance europe-esque intercene war forever as short-lived dynasties mean a dynastic fief could never really consolidate and grow extensively very often before running outta steam.

Its important to consider the systemic flaws and solutions of both the systems and contrast the historical trajectories of both.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Ironically i blame Chanakya for the demise of the Magadh Empire.
If you read Arthashastra and see the chapters on 'duties of a king', Chanakya basically makes the case that to be a good king, you must be basically an Elon Musk level of highly motivated workaholic guy, where you wake up at 5am and do state related shit till 8pm every damn day, with your 'personal time' being between 8pm and 10pm and then bedtime.
The greatest flaw in Chanakya-niti is, he doesnt understand humans. He posited a system that works, pretty much only when you have a Vikramaditya or Devpala or Rajendra Chola type of highly motivated, smart, capable king.
So we see what happens to the Magadh Empire AFTER Chanakya dies : it it the latter half of the Maurya dynasty or Shunga or the final Kanva dynasty, the pattern remains the same : 1 outta 5 emperors are actually even trying to meet Chanakya's standards, 2 outta 5 are just 'imma gonna smoke hash and have sex in my harem all the time and empire can go to hell' types and the other 2 are ' its time to be woke buddhist/jain/hindu guy who does sabka vikaas, sabka saath and state pays even more benefits and nanny-ism' crap.

Bihar's history is a cationary tale of how to piss away everything one you have everything : people do not realize this, but once Nanda dynasty expanded the Magadh Empire to directly own all of North India ( prior to the Nandas, Magadh controlled what is modern day Madhya Pradesh, Bihar,Chattisgarh & bengal as part of Magadh, everything else were vassal kingdoms of Kaushalya,Panchala,Kuru, Matsya etc) and at that point, Magadh empire had a bigger economy, population base and military than that of the Sakhamani Persian Empire that Alexander took down.

its not chanakya fault, that his workholic attitude didnt worked for other emperors. they should figure about, what they can best from chanakya philosophy. no hindu books r instructions like abrahmic cult books, which we hv to follow like commandment. they r discriptions. which we can apply according to our capabilities. neither we know later which maurya king applied chanakya rules or not. in my understanding maurya decline started after ashoka, when he accepted nd followed its teaching. buddhism teachings not good for kings, worriors, vaisyas (businessman) nd grahasti people. later empires from bihar like licchvi nd even gupta empire (i think their kingdom spread in bihar also), dont need chankaya neetis to rule successfully. may be they applies some of chanakya neeti, like every person should apply their beneficial (that include country, people etc) things from any book.