Indian Economy

[ezsasa]

This has nothing to do with population or fertility rate. It's about following an economic model that truly uplifts all sections of society and brings genuine prosperity.

Unlike us, China followed an economic model that targeted the bottom sections of the pyramid first and then gradually moved up. They prioritized basic primary education, basic healthcare, and large-scale manufacturing that would easily absorb the massive rural agricultural workforce. India,on the contrary, prioritized elite higher education(eg IITs/IIMs etc), heavy industries, and highly skilled tertiary sector(IT/finance etc etc). Whilst it's good for the economy, it does not benefit the masses.

we can infer something even more fundamental from this, chinese communists/socialists are chinese patriots where as Indian communists and socialists alligience is to anyone but India.

even the Indian model would have worked, if the genuine intent was to uplift India, which was not the case.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

Then you are a future prospective for heart & diabetic hospitals.

You are contributing to the import of palm oil & white sugar lobby .

At least try to cut down slowly for health sake. Use jaggery powder to sweeten your tea & support your future health.

in uttarakhand, during winter we use jaggery with tea...but other time white sugar. soft drink i generally take 2-3 times in a month. so my question is if i take 4 cup of tea daily (near 7-8 table spoon of sugar) nd additional 2-3 soft drinks in a month. Is that problematic in case of diabetes nd obesity etc?? or i hv to reduce my daily intake of tea to two cup (3-4 table spoon of sugar) with 1 soft drink in a month. beside this i dont take additional sugar. thanku

 

[Anants]

we can infer something even more fundamental from this, chinese communists/socialists are chinese patriots where as Indian communists and socialists alligience is to anyone but India.

even the Indian model would have worked, if the genuine intent was to uplift India, which was not the case.

ezsasa @angryindian forgot to add about great bottom and middle class uplifting Chinese program called "Cultural Revolution". See glolified Chinese ploglams or plogloms started much before American dalliance. "Hukou" system was another equalizer ploglam implemented to great effect.

Had these two systems been in India - @angryindian would have burst a nerve or two in anger by now.

PS: @angryindian not poking at you - just adding spice to nice convo going on.

 

[concard]

in uttarakhand, during winter we use jaggery with tea...but other time white sugar. soft drink i generally take 2-3 times in a month. so my question is if i take 4 cup of tea daily (near 7-8 table spoon of sugar) nd additional 2-3 soft drinks in a month. Is that problematic in case of diabetes nd obesity etc?? or i hv to reduce my daily intake of tea to two cup (3-4 table spoon of sugar) with 1 soft drink in a month. beside this i dont take additional sugar. thanku

Jaggery or refined sugar is still sugar. Just because Jaggery has some minerals useful for the body doesn't mean you can eat more of it without consequences. Given your lifestyle I would get a blood test to be on the safer side and gradually reduce intake of sugar over time. Substitute tea with something like dry fruits. Even better if you can eliminate refined sugar all together and instead consume fruits(not fruit juice).

 

[Nibbler]

This has nothing to do with population or fertility rate. It's about following an economic model that truly uplifts all sections of society and brings genuine prosperity.

Unlike us, China followed an economic model that targeted the bottom sections of the pyramid first and then gradually moved up. They prioritized basic primary education, basic healthcare, and large-scale manufacturing that would easily absorb the massive rural agricultural workforce. India,on the contrary, prioritized elite higher education(eg IITs/IIMs etc), heavy industries, and highly skilled tertiary sector(IT/finance etc etc). Whilst it's good for the economy, it does not benefit the

I dunno my friend. I don't think you can so easily separate the two.

Every east Asian econ success story basically followed variations of the Japanese window guidance model.

They all collapsed their birth rates within a few years.

Could be correlation i guess. But I think taking people savings and forcing commercial banks to lend to specific sectors and cramming millions from the countryside into cities aren't pro natal policies.

I agree on the education stuff of course. I would add making apprenticeships for skilled blu collar work more available (welding, heavy duty mechanic etc) is also a good move

 

[johny_baba]

I dunno my friend. I don't think you can so easily separate the two.

Every east Asian econ success story basically followed variations of the Japanese window guidance model.

They all collapsed their birth rates within a few years.

Could be correlation i guess. But I think taking people savings and forcing commercial banks to lend to specific sectors and cramming millions from the countryside into cities aren't pro natal policies.

I agree on the education stuff of course. I would add making apprenticeships for skilled blu collar work more available (welding, heavy duty mechanic etc) is also a good move

there is some korean twitterrati, a lady that does statistics and all, she put forth it in words like, koreans of that era had two choices, either to confine their ladies at home and 'save their honours', or save themselves (economically) and they chose the second option

i'll try to find it and post that thread here, but participation of womenfolk, whether deliberate or because of compulsion, just tanks birthrates in long run in our asian side of world

 

[ArjunMK1A]

there is some korean twitterrati, a lady that does statistics and all, she put forth it in words like, koreans of that era had two choices, either to confine their ladies at home and 'save their honours', or save themselves (economically) and they chose the second option

i'll try to find it and post that thread here, but participation of womenfolk, whether deliberate or because of compulsion, just tanks birthrates in long run in our asian side of world

Raising kids in current time in our country is daunting. In chennai average private schools charging 90K-100K for freaking LKG. My college fees is 135K.

Ensuring one kid education is daunting task for us. 2 Kids you need to earn truck load.

Japan and South Korea basically have this problem and price is super high. Just discouraged people to spend in family situation.

 

[johny_baba]

Raising kids in current time in our country is daunting. In chennai average private schools charging 90K-100K for freaking LKG. My college fees is 135K.

Ensuring one kid education is daunting task for us. 2 Kids you need to earn truck load.

Japan and South Korea basically have this problem and price is super high. Just discouraged people to spend in family situation.

it's not just cost of living crisis, it's multifaceted thing and i'm not sure about south korean constitution and the laws but at least japan got massively slaved by you-know-who; but all those discussions are out of scope of this thread

 

[Nibbler]

there is some korean twitterrati, a lady that does statistics and all, she put forth it in words like, koreans of that era had two choices, either to confine their ladies at home and 'save their honours', or save themselves (economically) and they chose the second option

i'll try to find it and post that thread here, but participation of womenfolk, whether deliberate or because of compulsion, just tanks birthrates in long run in our asian side of world

I think space has to do with it too.

My wife is expecting and we are now realizing how small our place is. We will ahve to upsize for a second one.

If every one is crammed into a citiy in those chingalinga apartments, i dont think they will want too many kids. Imagine coming back from your 12 hour shift at the factory and having to share a shoebox with three craying babies.

 

[crazywithmath]

This has nothing to do with population or fertility rate. It's about following an economic model that truly uplifts all sections of society and brings genuine prosperity.

Every nation follows a model like that, in their own way. And it has 'everything' to do with fertility rates.

Chongs are about to pay a price for their 'economic model'. We will see how they outsmart the rest of the world and take Taiwan back with 1 billion+ old people.

Their real GDP growth has fallen to ~5%, officially (to anybody who believes this figure, I have a nice 10 acre plot in PoK to sell).

Also, when you tom-tom someone else's 'muh economic model' you ought to narrate the whole picture - how many people were killed in their so-called 'Great Leap Forward' and the umpteen no of famines etc it caused? You do not get to pick and choose from the whole package - I am not at all surprised that the resident wumao has upvoted your post.

 

[Varoon4]

Thinking very ( as in very) generally, is it possible that India, with a large internal market, a pretty large variety of things produced, plus a very broad based group of trading partners, will be less affected by US tariffs than many other countries. India does not have all its eggs in one basket or even 2 or 3 baskets. Would the effect of US tariffs be less than on some other countries. Not neglibile, but less.

 

[ezsasa]

Thinking very ( as in very) generally, is it possible that India, with a large internal market, a pretty large variety of things produced, plus a very broad based group of trading partners, will be less affected by US tariffs than many other countries. India does not have all its eggs in one basket or even 2 or 3 baskets. Would the effect of US tariffs be less than on some other countries. Not neglibile, but less.

when U.S and china have tariff wars, entire global trade gets effected, so did India's export numbers.
since the previous round, china has distributed their assemby lines across the world to avoid made in china tag.

this time too there will be an down side impact on Indian exports by atleast half a percentage point of gdp growth. will have to check the numbers for what new markets Indian companies have cultivated since the last round of tariff wars, to compensate for expected down turn.

 

[crazywithmath]

when U.S and china have tariff wars, entire global trade gets effected, so did India's export numbers.
since the previous round, china has distributed their assemby lines across the world to avoid made in china tag.

this time too there will be an down side impact on Indian exports by atleast half a percentage point of gdp growth. will have to check the numbers for what new markets Indian companies have cultivated since the last round of tariff wars, to compensate for expected down turn.

Orange man's reciprocal tariffs will be put into effect on April 2nd. Dude is obsessed with India; named us again today.

 

[ezsasa]

Orange man's reciprocal tariffs will be put into effect on April 2nd. Dude is obsessed with India; named us again today.

the guy follows up on his threats, that's for sure.

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13 years ago, Trump told us exactly how he'd use tariffs. The consistency is incredible.

View: https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1886479767882563898

 

[crazywithmath]

Orange man's reciprocal tariffs will be put into effect on April 2nd. Dude is obsessed with India; named us again today.

@ezsasa

You are laughing now but guy wants virtually unrestricted access for american products. He genuinely wants the GoI to levy zero tariffs on finished cars. How do you even deal with an utter lunatic like this?

 

[ezsasa]

@ezsasa

You are laughing now but guy wants virtually unrestricted access for american products. He genuinely wants the GoI to levy zero tariffs on finished cars. How do you even deal with an utter lunatic like this?

CII wallahs will let us know by this time next month.

 

[Azaad]

View: https://twitter.com/geniusparadox/status/1897147501603602552?s=19

Dear @narendramodi sir, this is the need of the hour for kids in India. Not just CNC machining, any skill for that matter. Carpentry, plumbing, electrical etc. Even though the Skill India mission of the govt is a great initiative, it has not become a mass movement like it should have. Govt should make learning manufacturing skills just as important as learning computer/ IT skills. Please make it mandatory for existing schools and pre university colleges to pursue this.


Govt could support by subsidising schools for purchasing machinery/ equipment for training. They could incentivise industry to setup manufacturing labs in schools and colleges as part of their CSR activities.


There is only so much services one can offer as an economy. We need the manufacturing to grow. There is no dearth of ideas and talent in our people. We need to harness it well. We need to strive to become a manufacturing powerhouse and need skill rich manpower for the same.


I request @CMofKarnataka through @osd_cmkarnataka to give it a thought and initiate some activity in this regard so that Karnataka can aim to be a manufacturing hub atleast for the future generations.

View: https://twitter.com/BoredMallu/status/1897152976382497039?s=19

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

when U.S and china have tariff wars, entire global trade gets effected, so did India's export numbers.
since the previous round, china has distributed their assemby lines across the world to avoid made in china tag.

this time too there will be an down side impact on Indian exports by atleast half a percentage point of gdp growth. will have to check the numbers for what new markets Indian companies have cultivated since the last round of tariff wars, to compensate for expected down turn.

if i m not wrong trump is talking about reciprocal tariff on all countries....that makes US vs whole world economy. than many countries also put tariff on US goods. So compare to other countries, US will suffer most in their export numbers. In this situation, can we see dollar value go down?? coz definitely US share market is/will going down.

 

[Varoon4]

I just figure India is a bit better placed than Mexico, Canada and many other countries by virtue of its large internal market, and diversified export basket. How much would India suffer if it just held firm and said " That's fine, we will live with your higher tariffs". Compromises can be worked out on specific goods, of course, like motorcycles. But must India bend for everything?