Indian Economy

[jaijaganath]

i constantly hear from people that how bjd and navin patnaik transformed odisha, is it really the case or some pr from his party??? last time i checked bbsr had it parks and it companies there

and is bjp govt doing ground work or same bootlicking of leaderji and highcommand???
"modi ji ke netritva me" - like almost every avg bjp cm dependent on modi for votes

Naveen is very shrewd politician consider it as negative or positive it's ur choice
He has very close personal relationship with gandhis and other family based parties as he has lived, studied and done all sort of mischiefs with them
And on other hand he had good political relation with bjp and sangh
He never created any problem for rss in the state unlike others

Coming to present CM he seems to be like mudiji bootlicker
If naveen is in condition to fight next election and can drive sympathy then they might have good chances
Once naveen is gone bjd will disintegrate and then the problem will start as congis will emerge as primary opposition

 

[liberalredditor]

Naveen is very shrewd politician consider it as negative or positive it's ur choice
He has very close personal relationship with gandhis and other family based parties as he has lived, studied and done all sort of mischiefs with them
And on other hand he had good political relation with bjp and sangh
He never created any problem for rss in the state unlike others

Coming to present CM he seems to be like mudiji bootlicker
If naveen is in condition to fight next election and can drive sympathy then they might have good chances
Once naveen is gone bjd will disintegrate and then the problem will start as congis will emerge as primary opposition

who is this pandian who was pitched as successor to patnaik??

 

[Doreamon]

Tbh
There is one particular conflict which dates even before these political parties and independence
That is western vs coastal
It's still prevalent now both sides of people still have that particular hatred or to be precise superiority complex

Ground reality is it's not any where close to what it was between telengana and andhra . Jagannath culture has reached remote corners and this process going on since middle age . The koshal movement is cheered by minority .

 

[jaijaganath]

who is this pandian who was pitched as successor to patnaik??

He was the major reason why naveen post
As was tamilian
"How can an outsider rule us?" type situation

 

[jaijaganath]

Ground reality is it's not any where close to what it was between telengana and andhra . Jagannath culture has reached remote corners and this process going on since middle age . The koshal movement is cheered by minority .

Ofc not that
But it's limited to taunting each other's culture, discriminations in clgs and hostels and at most regarding funds

In past hatred was even more even pity little things were not left
If any western odia get state board papers to correct from any coastal side he deliberately cut marks vice versa(teachers knew the papers belonged to which school and city it's just farse that it's transparent)

 

[Doreamon]

He was the major reason why naveen post
As was tamilian
"How can an outsider rule us?" type situation

The rise of BJP was dramatic and ground was set by Pandian . If only Pandian had fought election and own there could have been a different reality today . But dude became the king of the state while working as a IAS officer . Imagine a ministers asking for appointment to his office . He used to run the show in background and everyone knew . Then he decided to run the show in limelight . Any politician with some pride and worth ll nt tolerate it . And people ll nt tolerate it when they see a unelected king roaming around in helicopter with the name of Navin. The outsider hijacking the system became a narrative among common people . And BJP striked when the iron was hot . Some popular shrewd politician joined BJP's club and rest is history .

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

worst place ever, they think they are the most intellectual and smartest breed because they discovered a social media platform before others

the moderators their are guaranteed commie or khangress it celliyas who are experts in creating naratives, the brainrot was first there in randia and r/usi then spread to indian cities and states subreddit then cars, bikes, finances (tax) then kids and education, ie a complete systematic toolkit taking on social engineering on the masses

we only had 1 rw sub ie r/indiaspeaks, that too fell to become a "news" and modi bashing sub

The problem with reddit is its admins. They have too much power. They subtly enforce a globalist agenda. They will always censor anything pro India bleeding into other subreddits but anti-India may bleed and poison even pro Indian subbreddits.

Indian govt. need to seriously send a message to reddit hq not to mess into Indian affairs. But than our govt. can even stop youtube from demonetizing pro India voices.

I think situation will only change post 2030 when we are a solid consumer market and we start enforcing our pleasure on them like chinese.

These singers posting against India. No concerts in India, you are giving anti India drivel no screens for your movies. It is like this we have to approach.

I think we will also need to reactivate our street power too.

 

[TringTringMonster]

I feel in my honest opinion, Odisha should ditch mineral wealth like a plague. We don't want to go the dutch way.

We should heavily focus on the services, manufacturing, education and high tech sectors first. Or atleast use the mineral wealth to fund it. Instead the way our minerals is exploited and the whole system is like a cancer.

I have lost all faith in the BJP govt. It's a govt that has rewarded all pandian loyalists in govt with central deputation and shit like that. Case in point the corrupt collector of a mineral district that CM hails from is now on central deputation. The govt is in deep paralysis. There's factional war going on. Nothing is getting moved. Our CM is not consolidating power to move policies. Bureaucrats are engaging in factional battles. Policy paralysis is happening. I have someone related to the metro project and that project is in deep crisis. It's a all around clownshow, shitshow all combined. There is some tacit understanding between bjp and bjd.

I wish to someone who can come along and have a deep vision of transforming the state like CBN.

 

[liberalredditor]

baaki states ko atleast election time kuchh industries aur infra to milta hai
bihar ko bas budget me 5 baar naam le liya khush ho gaye, hamare central govt me mantri hi hame kuchh nahi de rahe

abhi tak ek bhi sez nahi, ek bhi expressway nahi, kuchh nahi

ek avg highway project banne me 10 saal lag jata hai

 

[LastMythin]

I feel in my honest opinion, Odisha should ditch mineral wealth like a plague. We don't want to go the dutch way.

We should heavily focus on the services, manufacturing, education and high tech sectors first. Or atleast use the mineral wealth to fund it. Instead the way our minerals is exploited and the whole system is like a cancer.

I have lost all faith in the BJP govt. It's a govt that has rewarded all pandian loyalists in govt with central deputation and shit like that. Case in point the corrupt collector of a mineral district that CM hails from is now on central deputation. The govt is in deep paralysis. There's factional war going on. Nothing is getting moved. Our CM is not consolidating power to move policies. Bureaucrats are engaging in factional battles. Policy paralysis is happening. I have someone related to the metro project and that project is in deep crisis. It's a all around clownshow, shitshow all combined. There is some tacit understanding between bjp and bjd.

I wish to someone who can come along and have a deep vision of transforming the state like CBN.

The IT stuff and manufacturing is no where near enough to push the state along. Mineral wealth is a necessity for us in the short to medium term future.
You are correct on factionalism part. There is a politician faction led by Pradhan & his lackey and Baboo faction led ashwini vaishnaw & his pandian era friends. Contrary to popular belief modi-shah have very little say on the going on in odisha. Now it is mostly the ashwini faction that is dominating the government and that is a pretty bad thing.
The main problem with 19-24 Naveen govt was that this old aging pro pandian baboos were granted control over the state due to the CM's inaction. They have very few new ideas and have become pretty corrupt. These baboos also isolated Naveen from many important regional leaders.
Manjhi has been fighting these baboos to gain control over the administration, while keeping pradhan at bay. With Ashwini gaining power at pradhan's expense these baboos instead of packing their bagging are actually digging their heels.
The next year will be very critical if pradhan and manjhi can convince shah to get ashwini to back off. Then i can see manjhi actually doing some decent work, most people working with him say he seems like a collected and decent person just lacking in gravitas and authority.
Source:- I know family members who are close to a certain ministers and a relative is a opsc baboo

 

[LastMythin]

baaki states ko atleast election time kuchh industries aur infra to milta hai
bihar ko bas budget me 5 baar naam le liya khush ho gaye, hamare central govt me mantri hi hame kuchh nahi de rahe

abhi tak ek bhi sez nahi, ek bhi expressway nahi, kuchh nahi

ek avg highway project banne me 10 saal lag jata hai

kaunsa state?

 

[redpanda]

The IT stuff and manufacturing is no where near enough to push the state along. Mineral wealth is a necessity for us in the short to medium term future.
You are correct on factionalism part. There is a politician faction led by Pradhan & his lackey and Baboo faction led ashwini vaishnaw & his pandian era friends. Contrary to popular belief modi-shah have very little say on the going on in odisha. Now it is mostly the ashwini faction that is dominating the government and that is a pretty bad thing.
The main problem with 19-24 Naveen govt was that this old aging pro pandian baboos were granted control over the state due to the CM's inaction. They have very few new ideas and have become pretty corrupt. These baboos also isolated Naveen from many important regional leaders.
Manjhi has been fighting these baboos to gain control over the administration, while keeping pradhan at bay. With Ashwini gaining power at pradhan's expense these baboos instead of packing their bagging are actually digging their heels.
The next year will be very critical if pradhan and manjhi can convince shah to get ashwini to back off. Then i can see manjhi actually doing some decent work, most people working with him say he seems like a collected and decent person just lacking in gravitas and authority.
Source:- I know family members who are close to a certain ministers and a relative is a opsc baboo

Tbh Naveen was also becoming very lethargic in his policies post 2014. Except some PR programmes in coastal Odisha there had been very little work done by his government everywhere else. Most of the local BJD MPs & MLAs were being very complacent and arrogant here. They were behaving like they are the only option of the people. They had turned Naveen Patnaik to a fucking demi-god and were asking votes just with a photo & his name while doing Naveen Naveen Naveen Vandana drama. I remember folks in my area being pissed with that bs. BJP lost many MP seat in UP for this same reason because BJP MPs were betting everything on Modi's image. Also there was another phenomenon. BJD had become very hostile to competent leaders like Baijanta Panda who could challenge Pandiyan. And he eventually got kicked. Naveen being too reliant on Pandiyan and putting a blind eye to words of many veteran leader's problems led to his defeat. I don't think people in southern & western Odisha have a good image of BJD. They see it as a coastal party which only cares about Eastern and Northern Odisha.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

I have in BBSR since childhood, haven't come across many people who think like this, but things can change, BBSR outskirts are still pretty dehati, I agree on this. I think odisha is still quite a bit away from becoming truly metropolitan like HYD,BLR etc. BBSR is good in infra and management but lacks a lot of things you would except from metro. IMO Odisha has future in both Service and Manufacturing Sector.

dont show dehat or villages as negative nd backward minded places or people....yes they dont hv resources like cities people, but they r full of characters. stupid nd criminal minded people also found in cities. it is misconceptions that dehati people dont understand civic sense (if u teach them), open minded etc. yes some areas some dehatis doing negative things. but many villagers nd dehatis r most welcoming, character full, open minded people in our country. cities people r becoming more nd more selfish nd character less also. In many villages people leave their houses without any lock nd leaving their houses for many days in care of others. we leave our two manjila house nd some field for two years in care of our tenant. who r from different community nd village. they lived in ground level nd first floor was locked (now i living lonely here). nd they was not our known people, but one of our relatives known one. i see this type of trust on people in many places, but not in cities. i cant leave helmet on my bike in cities, but u can do it in villages. never heard any stealing, killing, raping etc crimes in our villages or its surrounding villages. its very rare.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

The IT stuff and manufacturing is no where near enough to push the state along. Mineral wealth is a necessity for us in the short to medium term future.
You are correct on factionalism part. There is a politician faction led by Pradhan & his lackey and Baboo faction led ashwini vaishnaw & his pandian era friends. Contrary to popular belief modi-shah have very little say on the going on in odisha. Now it is mostly the ashwini faction that is dominating the government and that is a pretty bad thing.
The main problem with 19-24 Naveen govt was that this old aging pro pandian baboos were granted control over the state due to the CM's inaction. They have very few new ideas and have become pretty corrupt. These baboos also isolated Naveen from many important regional leaders.
Manjhi has been fighting these baboos to gain control over the administration, while keeping pradhan at bay. With Ashwini gaining power at pradhan's expense these baboos instead of packing their bagging are actually digging their heels.
The next year will be very critical if pradhan and manjhi can convince shah to get ashwini to back off. Then i can see manjhi actually doing some decent work, most people working with him say he seems like a collected and decent person just lacking in gravitas and authority.
Source:- I know family members who are close to a certain ministers and a relative is a opsc baboo

Thats on par with any new person taking control. Even the quickest of them will take a year to get a handle. BJP is forming the govt. in state for first time. Its a national party too. So, expect the new CM and his cabinet to take atleast two years to properly understand how the system works. Baboos are very shewd in withholding, misrepresnting and misadvising. So, it takes time get comfortable in the seat. Its been just a year since the elections.

 

[vin pahadi (kumauni)]

water body restoration in india.

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[TringTringMonster]

The IT stuff and manufacturing is no where near enough to push the state along. Mineral wealth is a necessity for us in the short to medium term future.
You are correct on factionalism part. There is a politician faction led by Pradhan & his lackey and Baboo faction led ashwini vaishnaw & his pandian era friends. Contrary to popular belief modi-shah have very little say on the going on in odisha. Now it is mostly the ashwini faction that is dominating the government and that is a pretty bad thing.
The main problem with 19-24 Naveen govt was that this old aging pro pandian baboos were granted control over the state due to the CM's inaction. They have very few new ideas and have become pretty corrupt. These baboos also isolated Naveen from many important regional leaders.
Manjhi has been fighting these baboos to gain control over the administration, while keeping pradhan at bay. With Ashwini gaining power at pradhan's expense these baboos instead of packing their bagging are actually digging their heels.
The next year will be very critical if pradhan and manjhi can convince shah to get ashwini to back off. Then i can see manjhi actually doing some decent work, most people working with him say he seems like a collected and decent person just lacking in gravitas and authority.
Source:- I know family members who are close to a certain ministers and a relative is a opsc baboo

Obviously current state of IT and manufacturing isn't enough for us. I was talking about the 10 to 15 year horizon. Like what CBN doing with Capex 50% in electronics component.

Unless we invest heavily in education, infrastructure, aggressively build up our capacity across all sectors evenly, the mineral wealth one day will become our curse. Cuz it will give money, influence, power etc to the worst of society. Aka the mafia and form a nexus between politicians, babus and mining mafia which is what we are seeing today.

Regarding Ashwini. He is not a good railway minister imho. He's treating railways as a corporation and he's micromanaging everything. Also there's a rush for making pr projects like stations. The station designs are impractical, looks ugly, is worse in monsoon, high maintenence and i don't know how long will they survive. He has reduced passenger trains too since covid. Theres a huge focus on PR projects than actual capacity buidling. Besides, the ground level people who are the backbone of railways are being worked till exhaustion and at the same time no new recruitment or promotions is happening. So I don't expect much from railways in coming years.

Lastly, he's become influential in Odisha because of his closeness to Modi. He is Pandian ally and most of the Pandian lackey are still influential and relaxing in Delhi after looting the state. Manjhi really needs to consolidate power and secure his power base.

 

[liberalredditor]

kaunsa state?

B word wala state.

 

[liberalredditor]

The IT stuff and manufacturing is no where near enough to push the state along. Mineral wealth is a necessity for us in the short to medium term future.
You are correct on factionalism part. There is a politician faction led by Pradhan & his lackey and Baboo faction led ashwini vaishnaw & his pandian era friends. Contrary to popular belief modi-shah have very little say on the going on in odisha. Now it is mostly the ashwini faction that is dominating the government and that is a pretty bad thing.
The main problem with 19-24 Naveen govt was that this old aging pro pandian baboos were granted control over the state due to the CM's inaction. They have very few new ideas and have become pretty corrupt. These baboos also isolated Naveen from many important regional leaders.
Manjhi has been fighting these baboos to gain control over the administration, while keeping pradhan at bay. With Ashwini gaining power at pradhan's expense these baboos instead of packing their bagging are actually digging their heels.
The next year will be very critical if pradhan and manjhi can convince shah to get ashwini to back off. Then i can see manjhi actually doing some decent work, most people working with him say he seems like a collected and decent person just lacking in gravitas and authority.
Source:- I know family members who are close to a certain ministers and a relative is a opsc baboo

I thought that all the new cm were puppets of high command aka modi-shah
like modi and shah removed established faces because they feared that they would be obstruction in the path of shah to dominate bjp and country for decades till his retirement

Fadnavis got a huge break because he was the biggest face challenging for next pm
Yogiji has a larger brand value, if shah touches him, he should forget about his pm dreams
Shivraj sidelined so that he doesnt grow and his popularity too

The reason for selecting unknown faces as cm was to control them and keep modi and shah as primary faces

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Yogiji : It was Modi who made the Yogi CM first. Yogi was and is a brand but no one saw him as a CM. Even UP people were hesitant. It is apparent from his first term. It was Modi who bet on him. Thankfully Yogi proved him right and established himself a worthy statesman.

HBS: Modi also brought Himanta in Assam into BJP. Himanta has also proven his worth.

The problem is, before Modi BJP had listless leaders effective but listless.

Shivraj Singh Chouhan: Effective at governance but no growth mindset. Failed to grow MP. Regressed to socialism. Thats why needed to be replaced. He is BJP's own Nitish ji. Stuck in a place.

I will still call leaders in Shivraj Singh Chouhan category good leaders. These are fallback guys. BJP though have bad leaders too.
Vasundra Raje: Is there a difference between her rule and congress rule in RJ?? No. Thats why she lost.

The bad leaders costed BJP: JH, CG, KA.

People make conspiracy theories without understanding what Modi may be trying. He trying to enforce a generational change. He is expending his capital to discover new leaders who can carry his legacy forward. There is nothing wrong in it. He found Yogi, HBS and DF. I hope Mohanlal, Nayab Saini, Bajanlal also give growth oriented govts.

Modi: Effective Governance + Growth Vision + Cultural Assertion.
Nitin Gadkari: Slight Effective Governance + Growth Vision + Nil Cultural Assertion.
Fadnavis: Effective Governance + Growth Vision + Nil Cultural Assertion.
Yogiji: Effective Governance + Growth Vision + Cultural Assertion(Being a yogi he even legitimizes hinduism).

There is one more column, I can add for Modiji but i think i will refrain from it for now.

 

[haldilal]

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