Indian Navy Developments & Discussions (19 Viewers)

[shiphone]

Then the widely quoted mach 10 terminal velocity can't be true. The velocity in <15km altitude zone has be less than mach 5 to use the RF or IR seeker, otherwise plasma sheath is going to make them dud.

Pershing 2 velocity in this altitude zone was in range of 1.75-3 mach. It's RV didn't have any solid motor. Does DF-21D have a solid sustainer motor in it's RV otherwise it's terminal velocity is going to be less than mach 4.5 (actually more close to Pershing 2).

I have no different opinions... but we are talking about the very first model of ASBM in PLARF, and new models with improved/different guide methodes are being tested and commissioned.

 

[snakeeyes07]

I have no different opinions... but we are talking about the very first model of ASBM in PLARF, and new models with improved/different guide methodes are being tested and commissioned.

Yeah but the sensor (terminal guidance seeker) limitation within the plasma sheath velocity-altitude envelope would apply to latest ASBM as well.

 

[randombully]

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There is conflicting info re terminal guidance

Supporting no terminal guidance with seeker

DF-21 (CSS-5) | Missile Threat

The Dongfeng-21(CSS-5) is a Chinese medium-range, road-mobile ballistic missile.

missilethreat.csis.org

Supporting terminal guidance with seeker

WU-14 Dong Feng-21D (DF21D) / CSS-5 Mod 5 - Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile (ASBM)

www.globalsecurity.org

https://www.ausairpower.net/PDF-A/DT-PLA-ASBM-Dec-2011.pdf

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Yeah, it's a hodgepodge of info.

Optical seeker is assumption by open source analysis, but there is not enough time to make significant enough course correction in terminal phase at distance these seekers can work, plus IR or optical seeker have to deal with plasma buildup at hypersonic speeds dealing with which is high improbable in current tech, much less early to Mid 2000s technological bounds of chinese when this missile was in development.
Df-21D, was cleared to enter service(achieved IOC) in late 2010 with first deployment seen in 2013.

China's first dedicated SAR satellite yaogan-1 was launched in 2006.
China's first optical recon satellite yaogan-2 was launched in 2007.

Mach 10 terminal speed, Is a quite common cited within chinese sources itself, with state mouth peice news channels also quoting them.
And within the technological bounds of china in 2000-2010, putting a rf seeker that can activate early enough to help in cource correction is also highly improbable, and that's assuming it slows down below hypersonic in later stages of terminal, it wouldn't have enough time to course correct, because from what we know it makes a near vertical terminal dive at its target.
It's only now that marv warheads that can fly more like an hgv are being made.

What it can have is a radar altimeter to use as an proximity fuse, using higher frequencies, similarly higher frequency bandwidth can also be used for communication with guidance chain, bypassing plasma interference, and is a cold war era technology.

Plus american sm-3 missile is more than capable of intercepting marv warheads at mach 4-6.


An optical and even an rf seeker that can activate early enough to help in course correction is not within technological bounds of early 2000s.

 

[Interested]

Navy might have de-prioritized it and planned to spend the budget on ships and subs after no movement from babooze 4-5 years back.

Now babooze and Leaderji suddenly want to buy more P8I to appease Trump.

Better P8i than be forced to buy F35 or some thing like that .

 

[shade2]

Better P8i than be forced to buy F35 or some thing like that .

I just hope P17B orders, NGC orders, Scorpene 3x and P75I orders aren't sacrificed.
Since this will come out of Navy budget.

 

[KAB7777]

Navy might have de-prioritized it and planned to spend the budget on ships and subs after no movement from babooze 4-5 years back.

Now babooze and Leaderji suddenly want to buy more P8I to appease Trump.

Better the P8I than something we don’t need at all and doesn’t add to the Zoo we have of varying equipment unlike the Strykers, Javelins, NASAMS, etc. they’ve been trying to shove down our throats.

 

[shade2]

A non-serious musing but...

could we buy this and refurb it?
Running SU30s from a carrier mmmmm.

Russia May Finally Abandon Its Cursed Aircraft Carrier

Russia's aspiration to return its only aircraft carrier to operational service may have finally been sunk. Russia looks set to abandon its efforts to return its largest surface vessel to operational service.

www.twz.com

 

[liberalredditor]

A non-serious musing but...

could we buy this and refurb it?
Running SU30s from a carrier mmmmm.

Russia May Finally Abandon Its Cursed Aircraft Carrier

Russia's aspiration to return its only aircraft carrier to operational service may have finally been sunk. Russia looks set to abandon its efforts to return its largest surface vessel to operational service.

www.twz.com

If they arent serious to keep their only aircraft carrier, why should we consider it. Especially its a black hole of funds. It will stay in the port for majority of the time along with draining the piecemal naval budget.
We already have a really bad experience of acquiring carrier from russia.

 

[shade2]

Dates for Nilgiri delivery


View: https://x.com/rahulsinghx/status/1942800024913731897

The navy inducted the first P-17A warship INS Nilgiri in January and is expected to commission Udaygiri in August.
Taragiri and Mahendragiri will be delivered to the navy after the completion of necessary trials in October 2025 and February 2026,” said Jay Varghese, the P-17A in-charge at MDL.
Himgiri, Dunagiri and Vindhyagiri are expected to be delivered to the navy in July-end, early next year and August 2026, people aware of the matter said.

 

[randombully]

A non-serious musing but...

could we buy this and refurb it?
Running SU30s from a carrier mmmmm.

Russia May Finally Abandon Its Cursed Aircraft Carrier

Russia's aspiration to return its only aircraft carrier to operational service may have finally been sunk. Russia looks set to abandon its efforts to return its largest surface vessel to operational service.

www.twz.com

No.
Just no.
Better to order another vikrant.

 

[bakofbakchod]

A non-serious musing but...

could we buy this and refurb it?
Running SU30s from a carrier mmmmm.

Russia May Finally Abandon Its Cursed Aircraft Carrier

Russia's aspiration to return its only aircraft carrier to operational service may have finally been sunk. Russia looks set to abandon its efforts to return its largest surface vessel to operational service.

www.twz.com

is this a joke? absolutely not, but will not be surprised if MOD justifies handing over more billions for russian junk. Building a duplicate Vikrant will be far wiser choice

 

[bakofbakchod]

Dates for Nilgiri delivery


View: https://x.com/rahulsinghx/status/1942800024913731897

The navy inducted the first P-17A warship INS Nilgiri in January and is expected to commission Udaygiri in August.
Taragiri and Mahendragiri will be delivered to the navy after the completion of necessary trials in October 2025 and February 2026,” said Jay Varghese, the P-17A in-charge at MDL.
Himgiri, Dunagiri and Vindhyagiri are expected to be delivered to the navy in July-end, early next year and August 2026, people aware of the matter said.

the right time to order P-17Bs is today. 8 should be immediately ordered, 4 for MDL and 4 for GRSE.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Russkies might try bundling this floating junk with other shit in the coming days

 

[SKC]

A non-serious musing but...

could we buy this and refurb it?
Running SU30s from a carrier mmmmm.

Russia May Finally Abandon Its Cursed Aircraft Carrier

Russia's aspiration to return its only aircraft carrier to operational service may have finally been sunk. Russia looks set to abandon its efforts to return its largest surface vessel to operational service.

www.twz.com

The Admiral Kuznetsov is beyond saving. Its design is flawed, with numerous issues affecting almost every subsystem on board. The carrier spends more time in dry dock for repairs than it does undertaking actual missions at sea.

It would be more prudent to proceed with the development of the follow-up Vikrant-class carrier. Also, offer to build one for the Russians instead ​

 

[shade2]

No.
Just no.
Better to order another vikrant.

is this a joke? absolutely not, but will not be surprised if MOD justifies handing over more billions for russian junk. Building a duplicate Vikrant will be far wiser choice

The Admiral Kuznetsov is beyond saving. Its design is flawed, with numerous issues affecting almost every subsystem on board. The carrier spends more time in dry dock for repairs than it does undertaking actual missions at sea.

It would be more prudent to proceed with the development of the follow-up Vikrant-class carrier. Also, offer to build one for the Russians instead ​

2nd Vikrant was sacrificed in favor of 2x P77 SSNs

I was just doing timepass musing guys, chill.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

The Admiral Kuznetsov is beyond saving. Its design is flawed, with numerous issues affecting almost every subsystem on board. The carrier spends more time in dry dock for repairs than it does undertaking actual missions at sea.

It would be more prudent to proceed with the development of the follow-up Vikrant-class carrier. Also, offer to build one for the Russians instead ​

It's actually cheaper to make a new slightly larger IAC 2, then buying and "fixing" the Kuznetsoz and modernizing it.

 

[shade2]

the right time to order P-17Bs is today. 8 should be immediately ordered, 4 for MDL and 4 for GRSE.

Now normally knowing how our babooze don't do the needful I wouldn't expect that

BUT

MDL is literally idle once the last two Nilgiris are out, no submarines either, it's no CSL to survive on commercial orders and they have invested a lot into new equipment for navy orders.

So it's very possible contract is signed by 2026 or 2027

 

[Binayak95]

A non-serious musing but...

could we buy this and refurb it?
Running SU30s from a carrier mmmmm.

Russia May Finally Abandon Its Cursed Aircraft Carrier

Russia's aspiration to return its only aircraft carrier to operational service may have finally been sunk. Russia looks set to abandon its efforts to return its largest surface vessel to operational service.

www.twz.com

oh hell naw.

 

[liberalredditor]

It would be more prudent to proceed with the development of the follow-up Vikrant-class carrier. Also, offer to build one for the Russians instead

but what will we do with another carrier? buy another 22 rafale m for 60k cr draining the budget?
better to invest on quantity with more frigates, corvettes and asw solution

 

[Interested]

A non-serious musing but...

could we buy this and refurb it?
Running SU30s from a carrier mmmmm.

Russia May Finally Abandon Its Cursed Aircraft Carrier

Russia's aspiration to return its only aircraft carrier to operational service may have finally been sunk. Russia looks set to abandon its efforts to return its largest surface vessel to operational service.

www.twz.com

If we want another carrier we shd make one .

The skills learnt in building Vikrant are slowly going to dust because of no follow on order . Sure in India style an order will come in 10 years time by which time the skilled welders and steel workers would either be retired or be in another job . So then we can learn all the skills again .