Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Flanker]

LOVE IT!.. Did you edit the 3d model of just the photo?

Size if off BTW, the mast will be larger

edited a SS i took from a 3d model preview .... yes for p17 i agree but if i made the mast larger the front illuminator would have to be edit so i didnt

 

[abingdonboy]

L&T is already building large ships. the multi role vessels exceed 3000 tonnes.

L&T are making the largest naval vessels the IN has ever ordered right now

The argument they don’t have expertise and should be kept out of frigates/destroyers when GSL got the Talwar order makes no sense.

L&T is doing everything asked of them in every defence space- air, land and sea, I don’t know why you’d throttle them back

If the IN was sensible they’d make NGF in enough units to sustain 3 yards making it in parallel

The PLA(N) are turning out destroyers like hot cakes and some want to limit some Indian yards to OPVs or do the 3+4 units, wait 10 years and repeat game

Ideally India would also have 2 lines running in parallel for attack subs (SSN are separate) but if P76 is ever going to be made it’ll be at MDL

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

L&T are making the largest naval vessels the IN has ever ordered right now

The argument they don’t have expertise and should be kept out of frigates/destroyers when GSL got the Talwar order makes no sense.

L&T is doing everything asked of them in every defence space- air, land and sea, I don’t know why you’d throttle them back

If the IN was sensible they’d make NGF in enough units to sustain 3 yards making it in parallel

The PLAN are turning out destroyers like hot cakes and some want to limit some Indian yards to OPVs or do the 3+4 units, wait 10 years and repeat game

Ideally India would also have 2 lines running in parallel for attack subs (SSN are separate) but if P76 is ever going to be made it’ll be at MDL

There is a huge difference between your principle surface combatant like corvettes ,frigates and destroyer and fleet support ships thats why a single nilgiri class frigate costs 540-550 million usd compared to 440-450 million usd which the fleet support ship costs even though there is such big diffrrence in tonnage

Indian navy is sensible enough not to burn all their cash on ngf since they need ngc and much much costlier ngd too

Plan is pouring money into ocean provide the same money i can guarantee our ship yards can be optimised to that level in a few tears where there would be such big demand the industry would follow up pretty soon

Ssn are nuclear powered attack submarines
I dont think any shipyard other than vizag one carry expertise to manufacture nuclear boomers or ssns
Talking bout ssk the capabilities should be divided into multiple shipyards is what i agree too

 

[Bleh]

Indian Navy’s MiG-29K to Shine at Aero India 2025 with Upgraded Capabilities – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Indian Navy’s LCA-Navy Trainer Procurement Delayed for Further Testing and Configuration – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[Gessler]

View: https://x.com/Parthu_Potluri/status/1880621217755099266

 

[shade2]

View: https://x.com/Parthu_Potluri/status/1880621217755099266

"Frigate" and "Destroyer" are all jhumla terms if you see the newest warships of the IN
6700 tons Nilgiri class "frigate" and 7500 tons Vizag class "destroyer" with the major armament differences being that one has 8 less , maybe smaller torpedoes and 2x ak-630 as compared to the other.

Also Gessler is right in last portion of his tweet, it is P-17B( called P-17A repeat order in MDL/GRSE transcripts ) that is the "destroyer" equivalent that will keep the yards humming till they get the NGD contract in 2030s

Let's hope contract for P17B and all comes before the last Nilgiri is rolled out in early 2027

 

[125mm_Smoothbore]

View: https://x.com/AdithyaKM_/status/1880877804176445932

 

[Bleh]

View: https://x.com/Parthu_Potluri/status/1880621217755099266

Building up of that... We don't necessarily need to continue the Destroyers as P-15C but we could continue building 69 kton frigates as NGF.
WE AREN'T SIMPLY MAKING STEP-BY-STEP ADVANCES (example above)



If you campare with Carlo Benjamini or Mogami or La-Fayatte or FREMM, above we're already halfway there. All we gotta do, is to stop deviating the fuck away from the original stealthy design!.

The stealth capabilities need to be enhanced & with more armament in semi-UVLS silos they'd comfortably outperform any of these Destroyers.

 

[shade2]

Building up of that... We don't necessarily need to continue the Destroyers as P-15C but we could continue building 69 kton frigates as NGF.View attachment 22373View attachment 22372

If you campare with Carlo Benjamini above we're already halfway there. The stealth capabilities need to be enhanced & with more armament in semi-UVLS silos they'd comfortably outperform any of these Destroyers.

Just need to try & aim for the international benchmarks......
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Isse yaad aaya, why do we have two radars instead of one?

We have MF-STAR as the 'main' radar and rotating Lanza-N or LW-08 as the 2nd radar, the two ships you have shown don't have such a setup, I have seen the Admiral Gorshkov having a similar setup as ours but they have the static planar radars and the rotating one on the same "mast" structure, we have it on seperate structures

 

[Bleh]

Isse yaad aaya, why do we have two radars instead of one?

We have MF-STAR as the 'main' radar and rotating Lanza-N or LW-08 as the 2nd radar, the two ships you have shown don't have such a setup, I have seen the Admiral Gorshkov having a similar setup as ours but they have the static planar radars and the rotating one on the same "mast" structure, we have it on seperate structures

Need integration & streamline.. both models are commonly used, the late being the more advanced setup.

 

[Ayan Barat]

Isse yaad aaya, why do we have two radars instead of one?

Science, physics, frequency, wavelength, volumetric search, targetting, OTH capabilities...all those heebie jeebies
Almost all large surface combatant have twin radar set-up

We have MF-STAR as the 'main' radar and rotating Lanza-N or LW-08 as the 2nd radar, the two ships you have shown don't have such a setup, I have seen the Admiral Gorshkov having a similar setup as ours but they have the static planar radars and the rotating one on the same "mast" structure, we have it on seperate structures

Their rotating radar is in S-band with an instrument range of 200km. Our rotating radar is in L-band with an instrument range of almost 500km.

Stop seeing "X" and then asking why there isn't something similar in "Y"; in designing every single thing is a compromise between parameters.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

View: https://x.com/Parthu_Potluri/status/1880621217755099266

Now here's hoping Navy can squeeze out a budget for P18 NGDs. And finalize a design in 2 years.

 

[vampyrbladez]

Now here's hoping Navy can squeeze out a budget for P18 NGDs. And finalize a design in 2 years.

This is the last update regarding timelines from December 2023. This mentions a contract award in 2029 with construction start in 2030 and delivery of the first vessel in 2035.

“The broad timeframe is about five years from now. By then, we should be in a position to target the contract, and within five to 10 years, entire delivery,” said Vice Admiral Singh at the press conference organised annually ahead of Navy Day on 4 December.

https://theprint.in/defence/next-ge...-fighters-expected-by-2032-says-navy/1868213/

 

[vampyrbladez]

First look at the new APM modules for the Zumwalt Class

https://www.twz.com/sea/first-look-at-stealth-destroyers-hypersonic-missile-launchers

• APM (3 x CPS Hypersonic missile per silo)

https://news.usni.org/2024/11/14/na...rompt-strike-tests-aboard-uss-zumwalt-in-2027

 

[Corvus Splendens]

This is the last update regarding timelines from December 2023. This mentions a contract award in 2029 with construction start in 2030 and delivery of the first vessel in 2035.


https://theprint.in/defence/next-ge...-fighters-expected-by-2032-says-navy/1868213/

If they want 1-2 of these ships ready by 2035, they need to start building within the next 2 years, not in 2030.

 

[Gessler]

"Frigate" and "Destroyer" are all jhumla terms if you see the newest warships of the IN
6700 tons Nilgiri class "frigate" and 7500 tons Vizag class "destroyer" with the major armament differences being that one has 8 less , maybe smaller torpedoes and 2x ak-630 as compared to the other.

Also Gessler is right in last portion of his tweet, it is P-17B( called P-17A repeat order in MDL/GRSE transcripts ) that is the "destroyer" equivalent that will keep the yards humming till they get the NGD contract in 2030s

Let's hope contract for P17B and all comes before the last Nilgiri is rolled out in early 2027

Thing is, while Frigates get bigger, Destroyers have been getting even bigger. We're just locked in so far because we couldn't stray too far from the Delhi lineage. Pretty much everyone is going for their next-gen destroyers in the 10-15k ton range. US, China, Japan, South Korea (already have), Germany, UK, Italy, and our own NGD is also rumoured to be 11-13k tons.

That aside, it all comes down to how many VLS we can sail how far & how quickly. What we call the ships is irrelevant. Our destroyers are actually pretty poorly fitted out in terms of magazine depth - all because of a lack of sufficient VLS numbers. In turn because of lack of a universal VLS because of all the foreign-held IPs on weapons on which we have no design control.

We plan to fight the PLAN in the Indo-Pacific, but our Destroyers are fitted out like post-Cold War European ones that had little to no enemies to fight. Totally out of depth with what the environment calls for.

So P17A having only 8 BrahMos less than P15B and having the same number of SAMs doesn't mean our Frigates are almost as well-armed as our Destroyers - rather, it means our Destroyers are as poorly armed as our Frigates. That's a cause for concern, not celebration.

There is a rumour that P-17B could displace around 8000 tons and be more 'weapon intensive' than P-17A. If that is true, then it could make up for the lack of DDG inductions over the next decade. Unfortunately, if the P17B design strays too far from 17A, it would mean we wouldn't be able to induct them before the next 8+ years anyway.

Till then, the 7 x P17As will be our only somewhat survivable/capable inductions (Batch-3/4 Talwars are already outdated due to lack of APAR...plus they (except maybe Batch-4) can't cooperatively engage targets with our indigenous PSCs due to Russian CMS).

If you ask me, after the 2 x Batch4 Talwars are delivered, I think it would be smart to bring GSL onboard as a 3rd yard building P-17B alongside MDL & GRSE. In the future, we need to free MDL up completely to build DDGs alone.

 

[vampyrbladez]

In the future we might see VLS of different sizes operating together on the same platform. Compare the old design of the DDG(X) from 2022 with the new version in 2024.

• G-VLS (Growth VLS and Mk. 41) and APM together on DDG(X)

• G-VLS (Growth VLS) may be placed on the periphery of the bow like Mk. 57 on the Zumwalt Class

• Large Payload Tube may be kept midship (12x3 tubes each)

 

[shade2]

Thing is, while Frigates get bigger, Destroyers have been getting even bigger. We're just locked in so far because we couldn't stray too far from the Delhi lineage. Pretty much everyone is going for their next-gen destroyers in the 10-15k ton range. US, China, Japan, South Korea (already have), Germany, UK, Italy, and our own NGD is also rumoured to be 11-13k tons.

That aside, it all comes down to how many VLS we can sail how far & how quickly. What we call the ships is irrelevant. Our destroyers are actually pretty poorly fitted out in terms of magazine depth - all because of a lack of sufficient VLS numbers. In turn because of lack of a universal VLS because of all the foreign-held IPs on weapons on which we have no design control.

Aside from your valid argument of no UVLS, the main reason of cost is why we don't have the ships bristling with VLS cells.
Perhaps this will change with VL-SRSAM and the 3 Project Kusha missiles, they will obviously be cheaper since there is no foreign partner to jack up the prices.

People were joking over the Empty Space on the Nilgiri's bow but I assume it's for future VLS placement, whether just VL-SRSAM modules or something else idk.

 

[shade2]

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/1i48qdw/mediterranean_navies_circa_2035_1920x1080/

Y'all nibbiars know where i can get silhouettes for IN ships like the above plebbit post showing foreign navy silhouettes?

 

[Flanker]

View: https://www.reddit.com/r/WarshipPorn/comments/1i48qdw/mediterranean_navies_circa_2035_1920x1080/

Y'all nibbiars know where i can get silhouettes for IN ships like the above plebbit post showing foreign navy silhouettes?

make one ... im making a few rn