Indian Politics and Democracy

[crazywithmath]

For general category, the taste is only going to get bitter rest assured while BJP and congress compete in taking the slippery slope.

I have been hearing this thing for over a decade now. Before 2010 they let NSSO conduct one such survey. Then in 2011, a parallel 'caste survey' was conducted (along with the general census). Then some states copied that playbook - Karnataka govt conduceted one such survey (but did not release the data ). Then AP, Haryana introduced private sector reservations (all of them got quashed by the Milaards). Following which the clown prince of the royal family introduced all these batshit crazy demands in the run up to the 2024 LS polls and told all the INC ruled states to conduct 'caste surveys'. And now, we are here.

Has anything changed tho?

Instead, the party promising to breach the 50% ceiling (in terms of reservations) ended up losing the elections in Haryana and Maharashtra.

 

[crazywithmath]

You guys aren't getting the meat of the issue. What was the entire thrust of the caste census all about?

It was based on the understanding that the sheer population of the underclass namely the OBCs, SCs & STs would have risen, hence their percentage in terms of the total population would've risen too.

The next step would be a caste census following which pass the amendment to the respective acts for the aforementioned groups increasing the quota for reservations to beyond 50% thus breaching the SC set norms.

Now even if the SC intervenes which they would , parties would expect the government to put the said bill under the ninth schedule which is out of judicial purview.

No government can refuse this demand as no government could refuse the demand to re enact the law on atrocities act of SCs & STs when it was struck down by the SC.

Now the government can well turn around & put the issue of sub quotas ahead insisting any movement forward must be subject to agreement on this & given how fractious a society we're there will always be a disgruntled sub caste or more in every state.

To make matters more complicated the states now have been empowered to enumerate sub castes . Which party has the gumption then to alienate a sub caste/s at the expense of the other? For perspective look at what's happening in Karnataka or TLG now.

Arguably the government took all this time to gradually prepare the ground for precisely this eventuality. The SC judgement last year came as a shot in the arm , whether with behind the scenes agreement , we don't know. But it is what it is.

Sit back & see the tamasha unfold.

Arrey, but that is what I am saying, na?

That, the 50% ceiling will remain.

That, all the tweaks will conform to that ceiling.

That, there will be no 'private sector reservation'.

That, this will be a nothing burger, we will forget it and move on.

And last but not the least, they are not going to conduct the census even in FY 2025-26.

 

[truthsoldier]

I have been hearing this thing for over a decade now. Before 2010 they let NSSO conduct one such survey. Then in 2011, a parallel 'caste survey' was conducted (along with the general census). Then some states copied that playbook - Karnataka govt conduceted one such survey (but did not release the data ). Then AP, Haryana introduced private sector reservations (all of them got quashed by the Milaards). Following which the clown prince of the royal family introduced all these batshit crazy demands in the run up to the 2024 LS polls and told all the INC ruled states to conduct 'caste surveys'. And now, we are here.

Has anything changed tho?

Instead, the party promising to breach the 50% ceiling (in terms of reservations) ended up losing the elections in Haryana and Maharashtra.

The BJP managed to rally support through a powerful call to unity with slogans like 'batenge toh katenge' turning the fear of fragmentation into electoral strength. But now, with the push for a caste census we are seeing the Overton window shift steadily leftward. As this shift deepens, there's a growing risk that even the judiciary could start bending to political pressure, especially when backed by emotionally charged narratives and 'atrocity literature' designed to induce collective guilt

 

[Azaad]

Arrey, but that is what I am saying, na?

That, the 50% ceiling will remain.

That, all the tweaks will conform to that ceiling.

That, there will be no 'private sector reservation'.

That, this will be a nothing burger, we will forget it and move on.

And last but not the least, they are not going to conduct the census even in FY 2025-26.

Why do you think he's not carrying out the census?

 

[crazywithmath]

Why do you think he's not carrying out the census?

Much of the data this gormint needs to execute policies is already available real time coz of large scale digitization. Now, couple that with the JAUH demands, the political costs are not worth it.

 

[Azaad]

Much of the data this gormint needs to execute policies is already available real time coz of large scale digitization. Now, couple that with the JAUH demands, the political costs are not worth it.

JAUH ?

And no , it's not what you think . Besides if most of the data is available why're you insisting on the census now !

 

[shade2]

Why do you think he's not carrying out the census?

You ask me it's because the population is composed today of an unnatural % of greens which will lead to all kinds of uncomfortable questions.

Like 18% greens

 

[crazywithmath]

The BJP managed to rally support through a powerful call to unity with slogans like 'batenge toh katenge' turning the fear of fragmentation into electoral strength.

That push will continue, they will not entertain the crazy demands made by the clown prince.

But now, with the push for a caste census we are seeing the Overton window shift steadily leftward.

How long have you been tracking Indian politics? There was a fucking Mondal Comission in the '90s. The status quo has been maintained since, there is no Overton window shift here.

As this shift deepens, there's a growing risk that even the judiciary could start bending to political pressure,

No, they will not. Caste kanging is not even an effective electoral strategy anymore. INC has lost a number of elections despite propagating these rhetorics.

especially when backed by emotionally charged narratives and 'atrocity literature' designed to induce collective guilt

The ones penning 'atrocity literature' have been pushed into a distant corner of the present day media landscape. These days, even Dilip Mondal sings Modi bhajan.

 

[crazywithmath]

JAUH ?

JAUH = Jitni Abadi Utni Haq!

And no , it's not what you think . Besides if most of the data is available why're you insisting on the census now !

I am NOT insisting on conducting a census. Even the incumbent does not deem it necessary and keeps delaying it every year.

 

[SKC]

Timing could not have been worse and suicidal with this notification by BJP.

Timing and communication have been two biggest problems with BJP since 2014. They don't know what to bring when and how to inform public.

Caste Census in general census without NRC is going to create more resentment in public. Majority of public demanded NRC and we got caste census instead.​

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

You guys aren't getting the meat of the issue. What was the entire thrust of the caste census all about?

It was based on the understanding that the sheer population of the underclass namely the OBCs, SCs & STs would have risen, hence their percentage in terms of the total population would've risen too.

The next step would be a caste census following which pass the amendment to the respective acts for the aforementioned groups increasing the quota for reservations to beyond 50% thus breaching the SC set norms.

Now even if the SC intervenes which they would , parties would expect the government to put the said bill under the ninth schedule which is out of judicial purview.

No government can refuse this demand as no government could refuse the demand to re enact the law on atrocities act of SCs & STs when it was struck down by the SC.

Now the government can well turn around & put the issue of sub quotas ahead insisting any movement forward must be subject to agreement on this & given how fractious a society we're there will always be a disgruntled sub caste or more in every state.

To make matters more complicated the states now have been empowered to enumerate sub castes . Which party has the gumption then to alienate a sub caste/s at the expense of the other? For perspective look at what's happening in Karnataka or TLG now.

Arguably the government took all this time to gradually prepare the ground for precisely this eventuality. The SC judgement last year came as a shot in the arm , whether with behind the scenes agreement , we don't know. But it is what it is.

Sit back & see the tamasha unfold.

Yes, 50% will be breached. But it will also be accompanied by subcategorization.
For example: Meena's and Jatavs have a monopoly in SC/ST category. So the other castes will ask for isolation from their encroachment.

So, Yes, 50% will be breached but it will be followed by sub categorization too. It is the only logical prognosis in this case. No party can stop it.

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

You ask me it's because the population is composed today of an unnatural % of greens which will lead to all kinds of uncomfortable questions.

Like 18% greens

Castes of Greens will also be enumerated. Caste will override the religion in upcoming decades.

 

[Azaad]

You ask me it's because the population is composed today of an unnatural % of greens which will lead to all kinds of uncomfortable questions.

Like 18% greens

They're already ~ 20% of the population . No that's not the reason. IMHO Modi wants to combine the census with the NRC.

Given the ruckus we had the last time , you can't make such a move without having public support behind you - the kind of overwhelming support that the peacefuls would think twice before repeating their previous performance.

How does a victory over Paxtan sound ?

 

[sea-gain]

You ask me it's because the population is composed today of an unnatural % of greens which will lead to all kinds of uncomfortable questions.

Like 18% greens

Expect lots of surprises wrt to greens .. my worry is that increased green numbers will push greens into a sense of achievement having increased their numbers and will embolden them to replicate more while our kids learn wokeness and feminism in colleges .

more number will means their dreams of dar ul harb are near ..

 

[crazywithmath]

Yes, 50% will be breached.

Of all the thing that won't ever happen, this and private sector reservations won't happen the most.

 

[crazywithmath]

Ya'll are worrying about the fallouts and reasons but Ji does not even plan to conduct a census anytime soon.

 

[sea-gain]

Of all the thing that won't ever happen, this and private sector reservations won't happen the most.

you are under estimating the foolish ness of babus and babalog ..

 

[Comet]

The plea has been filed by Mohammad Junaid, a resident of Kashmir along with Fatesh Kumar Sahu and Vicky Kumar.

The matter is listed before a bench of Justices Surya Kant and N. Kotiswar Singh.


View: https://x.com/ndtv/status/1917578809160749427/photo/1

 

[Aaj Ka Hero]

The BJP managed to rally support through a powerful call to unity with slogans like 'batenge toh katenge' turning the fear of fragmentation into electoral strength. But now, with the push for a caste census we are seeing the Overton window shift steadily leftward. As this shift deepens, there's a growing risk that even the judiciary could start bending to political pressure, especially when backed by emotionally charged narratives and 'atrocity literature' designed to induce collective guilt

View: https://youtu.be/TahnS1n-TUs?si=XjAN99LkLQjWBvNi
This idea must have given by some over smart masterstrokes waadis in Bhajipao.
When you induct too many TURNCOATS into your party, then this happens, also they are the world largest party, so people who destroyed their own party are now in BJP to make it too suffer the same fate.

Now, why they say there is no fissure between Yogi and Modi masterstroke gang? One is saying BATOGE TOH KATOGE, other is now bringing CASTE inside.

And then we have Jaipur dialogues channel who also turn everything into masterstroke nowadays and are there to fool us.

If this caste sensus goes up, then why Congress if it comes in future will not use it's data for it's benefit? becauase it will be there, ofcourse it will use this data because they are masters in Divide and rule politics, they have destroyed India for 70 years through this, they have PHD in this.

One thing is certain, this will certainly hit hindus unite faction in this Bhajipao hard and I too from now on whenever will meet some BJP or RSS guys will say to them TURNCOATS and FATTU.

Chale the desh ko ek karne.

This is their masterstroke, laying future pitch for regional parties and Congress.

This is the legacy they are giving to that guy who in 90s when he was asked about his caste in Ayodhya during that VIVADIT DHACHA destruction, he said ALL CASTE, this is the legacy these muftkhors are giving to us who took foolish VHP and other hindu organisations into confidence that they are going to unite hindus, totally becoming like dhongress part 2, power mein rehne ke liye kuch bhi karega.

 

[darkflame]

The plea has been filed by Mohammad Junaid, a resident of Kashmir along with Fatesh Kumar Sahu and Vicky Kumar.

The matter is listed before a bench of Justices Surya Kant and N. Kotiswar Singh.


View: https://x.com/ndtv/status/1917578809160749427/photo/1

Hope supreme kotha asks GoI to nuke pak in 3 business days