Indian Politics and Democracy

[eastern_bhartiya]

2011 bheem moment was nothing compared to the absolute beast it has become now. BJP itself has been constantly providing them with with more budget more relief more laws and they are still not happy.

So its right for people to wonder if this could be the tipping point where the 50% cap is breached.

if bhim movement was that powerful their tinpot prince chandrashekhar azad wouldn't have lost so badly. Members here have overblown a movement that is not taken seriously by most people, Odisha is like 90% sct/sc/obc and there is not even a single second of news about these bhimtard movememts.

 

[Suryavanshi]

For self-preservation and to safeguard their future generations the GCs must forsake the Hindutva bandwagon and form an alliance of convenience with Muslims and other minority/fringe political groups (incl. the communists).

Least insane bruhmin brain fart.

How about brhumins produce 5 kids per couple.

 

[crazywithmath]

2011 bheem moment was nothing compared to the absolute beast it has become now.

Bruh, this country has survived the '90s and the Mondal era politics. The present era politics does not even come close. If anything, caste kanging has lost its mojo after the rise of the BJP.

BJP itself has been constantly providing them with with more budget more relief more laws and they are still not happy.

So its right for people to wonder if this could be the tipping point where the 50% cap is breached.

Frankly I don't quite understand this fear mongering over the caste census. Are people here ignorant or do they have memory issues or is it something else altogether?

We've already had one in 2011. How did it impact the entire institution of reservations?

2011 Socio Economic and Caste Census - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Article on similar surveys conducted in 2000 and 2007;

OBCs form 41% of population: Survey | India News - Times of India

India News: In a fresh twist to the controversy over the proportion of OBCs in India's population, a government survey indicates that backward castes form about 4

timesofindia.indiatimes.com

At best, Ji will introduce some sub categorization.

 

[SKC]

I have repeatedly written about this issue.

For self-preservation and to safeguard their future generations the GCs must forsake the Hindutva bandwagon and form an alliance of convenience with Muslims and other minority/fringe political groups (incl. the communists).

This has worked in WB, this will work in so many other places.

Self-preservation is the most basic right. Family comes before country.

I am not interested. You go ahead and start living together with Ms and have marriages with them.

I am happy with what we have now.

All you guys acts like the OBC/SC/STs are not Hindus and only GC deserved to be called Hindu.​

 

[Suryavanshi]

It is a lollipop for Bihar elections only.

why do they even bring up the lolipop?
Do they think it's justified to dangle a sword over the future of merit? Do they think they will never have to answer for it?

Your way of rationalizing everything is chalking it up to BJP masterstroke, you never consider a scenario where they could be wrong.

 

[crazywithmath]

BTW, for the record, gormint does not need to do caste census to breach the 50% ceiling or bring reservations in the private sector. They can pass a bill, place it on the 9th schedule and be done with it.

AP, Karnataka, Haryana, Jharkhand already tried (or at least pretended to try) before but could not succeed because the GoI refused to place their bills on the 9th schedule.

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

I have repeatedly written about this issue.

For self-preservation and to safeguard their future generations the GCs must forsake the Hindutva bandwagon and form an alliance of convenience with Muslims and other minority/fringe political groups (incl. the communists).

This has worked in WB, this will work in so many other places.

Self-preservation is the most basic right. Family comes before country.

very weird statement, do you realize that most of the BJP's voter base in OBC and certain SC groups ? why does who is GC, who is OBC here even matter, in a perfect scenario these things shouldn't exist at all.

Your post makes it sound like Non-GC hindu have never contributed anything to hindutva, when it reality there are the most on the ground people, most karvesaks were obc and SC.

 

[laxman09]

What a big fuckin L from leader ji. I'm totally blackpilled about the future of desh.

This will inevitably lead to the future breaking India forces wish for. Upsizing the 50% reservation cap. Pvt sector reservations. Proportionate reservations. OBC reservations in elected bodies and judiciary. Absolute clusterfuck.

The political system in India has had many centrifugal forces. Regionalism. Language. Religion. and Caste being the biggest centrifugal force of them all. Its one of those genius ideas which precipitate and reinforces our scarcity mindset. Creating fault lines within the community. Our people will keep fighting for their aabadi proportional haq over college seats, jobs, promotions or any other piece of the pie instead of thinking of how to make the pie bigger for everyone in the country.

The entire RSS/ BJP/ Hindutva project was created to act as the centripetal force in society. Enabling people to rise above their caste and community identities and coming together as a singular - hindu - polity. Leader ji just nuked this very idea.

What the actual fuck?!

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

BTW, for the record, gormint does not need to do caste census to breach the 50% ceiling or bring reservations in the private sector. They can pass a bill, place it on the 9th schedule and be done with it.

AP, Karnataka, Haryana, Jharkhand already tried (or at least pretended to try) before but could not succeed because the GoI refused to place their bills on the 9th schedule.

TN has +50% reservation, but because there is such a massive private sector , nobody feels it.

 

[johny_baba]

DEI isn't same as reservation, plus western companies can do DEI because most DEI positions are not important , as a matter of fact most of the their heavy workload jobs are already outsourced, this can't be done here, because we're the outsourcing location. DEI works on cushy jobs.

anything that pushes merit away with lofty goals of 'representation' in whatever ways possible, is a kind of reservation, of course they don't declare it officially

or perhaps they do it nowadays too after getting some grip over things, just look at muh police recruitment somewhere in the UK where they deliberately rejected white candidates in name of diversity

The Private sector itself brought these policies in west, and they have already seen the backlash and the ill effects of the same.
They themselves are cutting it down and get away with altogether in many corporations.

This is not the situation as in India right now.​

not really,

and private sector isn't just private ownership of dhandho, it's actually public-private partnership in long run if you comprise of all things around a successful dhandho, from basic telephone connection to freight and logistics at times...
and the government can very well have a say in such things

 

[laxman09]

I was seriously planning a return-to-India next year. That's now on pause indefinitely... Hope I'm able to convince SHQ to have more babies cuz general category folks now have no option left other than population jihad.

 

[crazywithmath]

why do they even bring up the lolipop?
Do they think it's justified to dangle a sword over the future of merit? Do they think they will never have to answer for it?

Your way of rationalizing everything is chalking it up to BJP masterstroke, you never consider a scenario where they could be wrong.

You say this after my constant pela of Ji, Tai and Goyal on the economy thread? So much so that I have argued pages after pages with other memberans?

I even received a warning from a mod cuz I called Tai a 'lamppost' who was appointed to shield Ji from criticism.

You do realize that census will not be conducted in FY 2025-26 or possibly even in FY 2026-27, right? Why shouldn't I call it a lollipop?

I remember the vidhwa vilap the old forum did back when Haryana, a BJP ruled state, introduced 'private sector reservations'. I called it a lollipop/nothing burger back then too. Did time prove me right or not?

We have conducted similar surveys/censuses back in 2011, 2007 and 2000 (yes, with Vajpayee at the helm). What changed?

 

[sea-gain]

IMO, the 50% reservation limit is already breached ..

I cud be wrong as well but rather than caste census, population census makes more sense or is it that this is a ploy to do population census ...

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

alright then, it's damping effect at play here, as barely anyone would heed outrage of the GC here when a war is looming/happening

btw, your surname is tripathi, a brom then? what's your views here

We are already squeezed. So, I am ambivalent.

 

[sea-gain]

I was seriously planning a return-to-India next year. That's now on pause indefinitely... Hope I'm able to convince SHQ to have more babies cuz general category folks now have no option left other than population jihad.

Hindus population is anyways recedding .. while greens are in over drive to bring more kids.. now our greener ladies are hoping across to porkland , getting married on whatsup and going there to impregnate ,, and give birth here in india..

there was his lady who has 7 kids, 2 halalas in porkland enjoying subsidies here ,,, all in short span of 8 years ..as per rough estimate there r some 97 k greener married in porkland but living in india with kids having pork passsports.. so many sob stories from attari border...

 

[Hitmanblood]

After today what is difference between BJP and Congress?

A socioeconomic weak society always fight for resources among eachother. A ruler's job is to stop this infighting and promote merit among population so each and everyone is encouraged to improve their skills. Thus entire society grows together.

Unfortunately our country is slowly being pushed into a dark corner by sinister politicians who prioritize their short term electoral gains.

Have we forgotten why Manipur violence started? What was the root issue? It was fight for resources among different groups of society.

Why did our ancestors resist foreign religions? So we can remain divided? They say unity is our strength but where is this unity? Who will bring this unity? And when?

We criticize western woke cultural but atleast they have money.

Look at concept of Ummah. Can we once appreciate their unity across the world.

Unlike west we don't have money and unlike Ummah we don't have unity. So what do we have?

Enough is enough.

Those who migrated to foreign countries are smart ones.

 

[johny_baba]

I have repeatedly written about this issue.

For self-preservation and to safeguard their future generations the GCs must forsake the Hindutva bandwagon and form an alliance of convenience with Muslims and other minority/fringe political groups (incl. the communists).

This has worked in WB, this will work in so many other places.

Self-preservation is the most basic right. Family comes before country.

angry reaction nibbas on this post don't realise that it's indeed true,
bitter but truth,

and Indian National Congress understands this well, that's why a helluwa northie savarnas still support that party despite all the negatives, because it's matter of self preservation and survival for many of them

 

[Ajayant Tripathi]

Mudi ji have just played into hands of Bhim army. fact remains that he is a politicians and is worried about his votes and chair only.

more or less, all govts services have gone to dogs already with meritorious people looking outside for better opportunities. Bhimtas with 0 IQ are busy filling their coffers and ensuring that their next 7 gens don,t have to work.

I think if Pvt reservation will gets votes to netas , they will implement it. country and people are last on their agenda and that will be death knell.

I have two views:
1. Subcategorization will open fault lines between monopolizing castes like Meena and Jatav and other castes. Meena's and Jaatav were actually card carrying ambedkarites. It will be good to see how their masks are peeled in public. So, I think ambedkar movement will also take a kick in its nuts.

2. On private sector: Yes they will try. But it will be met with practical constraints. Not every state is going to implement and enforce it on the same day. Thanks almighty for our diversity and largeness. So, The private enterprises will have a time to shift the states. This movement will wreck the state finances. So, obviously as the money rules. The govt. will be forced to not enforce these laws.

I say NCR will be well positioned for it. If HR falls, companies can just shift to Noida from Gurugram and viceversa without having their employees to change homes.

Private Sector reservations are very very impractical to say the least.

 

[johny_baba]

We are already squeezed. So, I am ambivalent.

i read it as [ I am apathetic ]

 

[eastern_bhartiya]

I have two views:
1. Subcategorization will open fault lines between monopolizing castes like Meena and Jatav and other castes. Meena's and Jaatav were actually card carrying ambedkarites. It will be good to see how their masks are peeled in public. So, I think ambedkar movement will also take a kick in its nuts.

2. On private sector: Yes they will try. But it will be met with practical constraints. Not every state is going to implement and enforce it on the same day. Thanks almighty for our diversity and largeness. So, The private enterprises will have a time to shift the states. This movement will wreck the state finances. So, obviously as the money rules. The govt. will be forced to not enforce these laws.

I say NCR will be well positioned for it. If HR falls, companies can just shift to Noida from Gurugram and viceversa without having their employees to change homes.

Private Sector reservations are very very impractical to say the least.

people shouldn't confuse DEI with private sector reservation, DEI jobs are more political than economical, that's why companies immediately got it of DEI crap when west got hit with recession in 2023-24. Meanwhile private sector reservation very very economic in nature, who can't have your low level workforce be unable to do their job.

Any politician with two braincells would know that private sector reservation will wreck their state's finances. I can see states where pvt sector reservation is not implemented growing rapidly, TN was able to increase its reservation beyond 50%+ precisely because it had mature pvt sector long before most states.