Indian Politics and Democracy

[Prasad]

So in your opinion, how do you propose the BJP solve the problem of judicial over reach or the NJAC ?

guts and shit.

Just like how they want BJP to attack Pakis.

Guts and shit.

 

[crazywithmath]

View: https://twitter.com/HindolSengupta/status/1918135004443369882?s=19

No clue how genuine the information is in this infograph.

WB figures are false. Even EWS is not applied thoroughly. Also, among the very few states where reservations have not reached 50% yet because caste kanging is a non issue;

NCBC wants West Bengal, Punjab to raise OBC reservations as quota limit remains unused

NCBC advises West Bengal and Punjab to enhance OBC quota within 50% limit for SCs/STs and OBCs in govt jobs and education, following Supreme Court cap amid BJP-Opposition clash over quotas. NCBC chairman Hansraj Ahir urges compliance from the states, emphasizing the need for increased OBC quota...

economictimes.indiatimes.com

 

[Knowitall]

So in your opinion, how do you propose the BJP solve the problem of judicial over reach or the NJAC ?

So let me get this straight you want me to explain how we can do this instead of asking the largest party in the world with n numbers of politicians spokespersons lawyers etc to do it.

Do i ask BJP to finish my projects do i ask them to cover my deadlines or make me a plan?

What is the point of this question if everytime someone is to ask and question or raise an issue its become a point to ask tum karlo ya tum kya karoge. Ek kaam karo mujhe PM banado fir mai batata hu mai kya karunga.

I do my job as a citizen i vote for them i pay my taxes i follow the law.

My point still stands if they were to get booted out in 2029 how successful were they in tackling the ecosystem which not just me but their own party members talk and cry about.

 

[thedk6]

IITs were envisioned to be India's answer to MIT but instead of becoming institutions for cutting-edge research, they have become placement agencies for IT MNCs. Not one scientific breakthrough or Nobel prize-winning research has come from any of the IIT's in the past 70 years.

will never be premier with 70% reservation

 

[Azaad]

So let me get this straight you want me to explain how we can do this instead of asking the largest party in the world with n numbers of politicians spokespersons lawyers etc to do it.

Do i ask BJP to finish my projects do i ask them to cover my deadlines or make me a plan?

What is the point of this question if everytime someone is to ask and question or raise an issue its become a point to ask tum karlo ya tum kya karoge. Ek kaam karo mujhe PM banado fir mai batata hu mai kya karunga.

I do my job as a citizen i vote for them i pay my taxes i follow the law.

My point still stands if they were to get booted out in 2029 how successful were they in tackling the ecosystem which not just me but their own party members talk about.

Criticism without offering a solution is meaningless prattle. Anybody can do it & does it all the time - from your friendly neighborhood to your friends to office colleagues on breaks to family WhatsApp groups.

When you are on a forum having spent some time here one expects a better standard of argument for there's ample information flying around to enable members to formulate a position after thinking it over.

Otherwise it's just venting. It all boils down to how do you want to be seen & perceived. As some one credible with an informed perspective or just another wannabe on the way to be a has been.

 

[Knowitall]

Criticism without offering a solution is meaningless prattle. Anybody can do it & does it all the time - from your friendly neighborhood to your friends to office colleagues on breaks to family WhatsApp groups.

When you are on a forum having spent some time here one expects a better standard of argument for there's ample information flying around to enable members to formulate a position after thinking it over.

Otherwise it's just venting. It all boils down to how do you want to be seen & perceived. As some one credible with an informed perspective or just another wannabe on the way to be a has been.

In all honesty it matters zilch to me what i am being perceived as here. Criticism without solution lol you are not silencing anyone with that logic. People pay taxes they do their part and that does not include making plans for the govt. If the govt asks for my money i sure as shit have the right to ask questions and point out problems.

It also seems to me that you keep on dodging my question after all with so much information flying around you can definitely answer my question that i asked you.

 

[Azaad]

In all honesty it matters zilch to me what i am being perceived as here. Criticism without solution lol you are not silencing anyone with that logic. People pay taxes they do their part and that does not include making plans for the govt. If the govt asks for my money i sure as shit have the right to ask questions and point out problems.

Silencing you ? I'm neither the moderator nor the administrator here. And I've no wish to be one either . Nor silence anybody.

It's just that when one perceives a person to be capable of coming up with a better standard of argument eschewing it for the usual pedestrian stuff that one took the opportunity to engage.

You don't see me engaging with everyone with your line of thought do you ?

It also seems to me that you keep on dodging my question after all with so much information flying around you can definitely answer my question that i asked you.

What question ?

 

[Knowitall]

Silencing you ? I'm neither the moderator nor the administrator here. And I've no wish to be one either . Nor silence anybody.

It's just that when one perceives a person to be capable of coming up with a better standard of argument eschewing it for the usual pedestrian stuff that one took the opportunity to engage.

You don't see me engaging with everyone with your line of thought do you ?


What question ?

My point still stands if they were to get booted out in 2029 how successful were they in tackling the ecosystem which not just me but their own party members talk and cry about.

If BJP was to lose in 2029 how many structural reforms and RW ecosystems across the bureaucracy judiciary economy and military are we looking at.

 

[darkflame]

Sekhar Gupta is fully convinced that JAUH and private reservation is coming

View: https://youtu.be/DexXw-PLmAQ

 

[angryindian]

This is practically impossible tbh.....both INC and BJP understands it very well.
People Like Chirag Paswan are part time politicians...with no corporate-party relations.
Don't worry.

Don't underestimate the depths to which the netas in India can fall. If they could stagnate India's economy for decades because of which India become poorer than Uganda, Malawi and Burkina Faso, they can highly sacrifice anything for their populist policies.

 

[Azaad]

My point still stands if they were to get booted out in 2029 how successful were they in tackling the ecosystem which not just me but their own party members talk and cry about.

I asked you what should they be doing about it because going by your logic the RSS shouldn't have existed today for up until 2014 except for the 6 years of the ABV government we've only experienced congress rule either directly or indirectly with the latter supporting various short lived third front governments.

If BJP was to lose in 2029 how many structural reforms and RW ecosystems across the bureaucracy judiciary economy and military are we looking at.

I think I just informed you about the reasons the judiciary can't be tamed . I personally consider their performance on removing the pernicious influence of the left on our education systems to be sub par.

Their performance on defence is a mixed bag but on procurements for the IAF in particular is disastrous though the latter can't escape its share of the blame.

To tame the bureaucracy you need to tame the judiciary first.

 

[Azaad]

Sekhar Gupta is fully convinced that JAUH and private reservation is coming

View: https://youtu.be/DexXw-PLmAQ

Then we're saved for none of the basterd's predictions have come true.

 

[shade2]

How do BJP decide whom to facilitate?


View: https://x.com/shashank_ssj/status/1918276079367626779

https://swarajyamag.com/ideas/have-our-iits-been-hijacked-by-their-social-science-departments

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Frankly I was under the impression Zavaadekar the previous Minister in charge of education was a liability. He's been gone for more than 5 years now & yet we see this.

I am convinced that most ministries run on auto-pilot by babooze.
Batman & Robin don't bother to micro manage everything and they rarely appoint self-starter types to the cabinet posts.

The result is ((( sarkar tumhari hai par system hamara hai )))

@crazywithmath calls this "not changing the status quo" but it is the same phenomenon

member's frustration with this lot lies in an expectation that they would do a full purge of all the sekoolar, gandian ecosystem of the ((( un-elected professionals ))) but either they don't want to do it or cannot do it in the immediate term( think it will take decades ).

 

[crazywithmath]

I am convinced that most ministries run on auto-pilot by babooze.

True. This is the playbook Ji copied from his Gujarat days. I am convinced that FinMin babus are way more powerful than Tai atm.

Batman & Robin don't bother to micro manage everything and they rarely appoint self-starter types to the cabinet posts.

The result is ((( sarkar tumhari hai par system hamara hai )))

@crazywithmath calls this "not changing the status quo" but it is the same phenomenon

Possible software update incoming for actress ji?

 

[shade2]

True. This is the playbook Ji copied from his Gujarat days. I am convinced that FinMin babus are way more powerful than Tai atm.


Possible software update incoming for actress ji?

I remember reading some Bharat Karnad article where he says that after Independence, Lehru wanted to purge the Babudumb because they were "collaborators of the imperialists" but Sardar Patel said that they need the bureaucracy to run the country.

I mean it would seem these dialogues would be said by the otherway around, but still this is the problem with a wholesale purge of the baboons.

A more gradual change of baboondom is preferable and maybe only possible but for that Batman's party has to be in power for another 20 years with either Batman or Robin on the PM chair

 

[ezsasa]

member's frustration with this lot lies in an expectation that they would do a full purge of all the sekoolar, gandian ecosystem of the ((( un-elected professionals ))) but either they don't want to do it or cannot do it in the immediate term( think it will take decades ).

not related to above convo, but to add a bit to your observation.

though this is a defence forum, we do end up chronicling for over a decade the number of groups and players domestic and at global level who have dedicated their professional and personal lives either to ensure India never succeeds or to ensure there are roadblocks in India's progress, in real world terms it means executing plans to subvert Indian government's abilities to performs it's functions to a large extent.

in this context, the members who make sure everyday everyone knows about their frustrations at every little event multiple times a day for years now, you think their frustrations are genuine?

 

[shade2]

not related to above convo, but to add a bit to your observation.

though this is a defence forum, we do end up chronicling for over a decade the number of groups and players domestic and at global level who have dedicated their professional and personal lives either to ensure India never succeeds or to ensure there are roadblocks in India's progress, in real world terms it means executing plans to subvert Indian government's abilities to performs it's functions to a large extent.

in this context, the members who make sure everyday everyone knows about their frustrations at every little event multiple times a day for years now, you think their frustrations are genuine?

Here yes, most of the regular memberaans who roast the great leader happened to be his supporters 5 years ago.

But most of such virat hondutwadis/blackpillers on twitter and mainstream SM 9/10 times happen to be Congis trying to split the supporter base.

There are also cases where librandu patrakars and other such people have (((transitioned))) to being """""supporters"""" and then virat hondutwadi trad blackpillers since 2014, there is one specific patrakar called Madhu( forgot last name ), her history was exposed on twitter itself.

 

[ezsasa]

Here yes, most of the regular memberaans who roast the great leader happened to be his supporters 5 years ago.

But most of such virat hondutwadis/blackpillers on twitter and mainstream SM 9/10 times happen to be Congis trying to split the supporter base.

There are also cases where librandu patrakars and other such people have (((transitioned))) to being """""supporters"""" and then virat hondutwadi trad blackpillers since 2014, there is one specific patrakar called Madhu( forgot last name ), her history was exposed on twitter itself.

kishwar.


View: https://x.com/DefenceSahil/status/1505814266896474119

 

[truthsoldier]

View: https://x.com/HPhobiaWatch/status/1918694686887178299?t=ty5noKTPCyCi84z--RkxvQ&s=19
This is too disgusting. I sometimes wonder why doesn't hindu community protest much even for such huge desecration on streets of India? If any other religion been in its place, all hell would’ve broken loose. But in our case, I don't think even 100 people will take to the streets. When did we become so casual so indifferent about the respect and dignity of our own gods? Any fundamental reasons or just our own neglect?

 

[GaudaNaresh]

View: https://x.com/HPhobiaWatch/status/1918694686887178299?t=ty5noKTPCyCi84z--RkxvQ&s=19
This is too disgusting. I sometimes wonder why doesn't hindu community protest much even for such huge desecration on streets of India? If any other religion been in its place, all hell would’ve broken loose. But in our case, I don't think even 100 people will take to the streets. When did we become so casual so indifferent about the respect and dignity of our own gods? Any fundamental reasons or just our own neglect?

This is paganism 101. Not abrahamism. Who the hell takes the streets to protest descration of their religion outside of abrahamics ? only Sikhs, who are also monotheists and in SOME buddhist places like Myanmar or thailand or Sri Lanka - Chinese/jap/korean buddhists dont care.

But dont forget, hinduism is basically really old school paganism with layers upon layers of classical trimurti/brahmaan hinduism. At core its the greek-roman gods like indra,varuna,etc. and like OG pagans, we carry the mentality of ' if u piss on a god, that god will punish you, it not my job to go beat ur ass'. Same as OG Greeks believed that if you cut off head of Zeus statue, Zeus will fuck u up, i just have to wait and watch.