Indian Railways

[Anants]

If gormint job aficionado could read than they would have been angry.

Not really. What people seek in Govt Jobs is security , periodic hikes, accommodation, Pension(Hopeful)

 

[Azaad]

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@Azaad

It is very likely that Gormint has asked Railway board to identify and permanently close redundant posts.
Moreover Zonal General Managers now get targets to meet performance requirements, mostly those meeting these targets are considered for promotion.

If gormint job aficionado could read than they would have been angry.

Looks like the electrification of the IR lines have made quite a few posts related to Diesel Electric Locomotives redundant with those in such posts being shunted out. Pun unintended.

 

[crazywithmath]

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@Azaad

It is very likely that Gormint has asked Railway board to identify and permanently close redundant posts.
Moreover Zonal General Managers now get targets to meet performance requirements, mostly those meeting these targets are considered for promotion.

If gormint job aficionado could read than they would have been angry.

Was bound to happen tbh. The committe they appointed to 'reform' IR units (and PSUs) just stopped short of an outright 'corporatization' in its recommendations.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Was bound to happen tbh. The committe they appointed to 'reform' IR units (and PSUs) just stopped short of an outright 'corporatization' in its recommendations.

Moreover the gormint is holding back some 3 lakh jobs in railway. If you go to comment section of any video of Ashwini you will see asspirants gloating about it.
This is also causing some cost overheads and overexploitation in some cases.

 

[Suryavanshi]

View: https://youtu.be/YQX1BTY3V8g?feature=shared

Station master protest.

Jai ho is in Indian blood.

 

[Azaad]

Deutsche Bahn plans to extend Namo Bharat RRTS with two new projects

Deutsche Bahn aims to expand RRTS projects in India, improving connectivity and reducing travel time for commuters.

www.thehindubusinessline.com

This is a very good example of what I was referring to when I've written before on the extremely lop sided priorities & behaviour of IR w.r.t expansion , modernisation , upgradation , etc.

Not only was the tender tech specs of the RRTS framed in such a manner as to keep out what was then theTrain 18 , we've also ensured the entire service is managed by a Foreign external agency without any local partner , by the looks of it .

While China's busy phucking the Europeans especially ze Germans , we're spreading our cheeks for them .

 

[Azaad]

India's only train which does not require any ticket to travel, 75 years of free service

India's only train which does not require any ticket to travel, 75 years of free service

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This train has been running a free service for passengers for nearly 75 years now .

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Delhi Railway Station Stampede Updates: UP Stations On Alert, Probe On

New Delhi Railway Station Stampede: The incident was caused by a sudden rush of passengers who were trying to board trains to Prayagraj for the Maha Kumbh.

www.ndtv.com

Well 18 People died (11 Women and 5 children) in this Delhi Stampede. How long Ashwini Vaishnaw will talk like nothing is wrong with Rail Babus.

Rail Babus across India cannot do anything useful for these archaic systems. Few days back in TN an Andhra Pradesh based women got Sexually Assaulted and thrown out of moving train. Also she is pregnant and it resulted in termination due to injuries sustained.

Also few instances of murder inside Station premises that too important suburban stations. Stations with poor surveillance resulting in Anti social activity. MRTS in Chennai is notorious for this. Huge stations with no surveillance. Lot of alcoholics, drugs, goons were spending night there. No action taken.

Now in last few weeks due to Kumbh Mela, extreme Dehatiness behavior is going on and Railways were failing to take action. Destruction of Rail Properties, Unreserved travel in reserved coaches including 1AC, 2AC, 3AC, SL. Even stationary electric Locos were dehatified by these people.


Till now no big action done by Rail bhavan. Occasional suspension does not work, DRM were running free. Always hide Rail Min and he is saving their asses.



Time to do some work.
1. Install Turnstiles in all stations, Limit Station entry/exits and employ RPF with Assualt rifle, batons. Anyone tries to do Dehati behavior beat the life out of them
2. Eliminate over giving UR tickets against the seating capacity. UR with 108 seats. But ends up 200+ plus people sitting inside. Can't Rail babus cannot fix this rocket science problem.
3. Allow only folks who have confirmed tickets in each trains. Filter them at turnstiles level similar to Airports.
4. Eliminate Platform Ticket.
5. Do an demand study, introduce additional trains when required.
6. Finally, if Rail babus were not showing any interest. Just throw these guys convert IR into Track management company and let GoI's IRCTC and allow private players as Train operators. These fat babus were fit for nothing.

 

[crazywithmath]

Delhi Railway Station Stampede Updates: UP Stations On Alert, Probe On

New Delhi Railway Station Stampede: The incident was caused by a sudden rush of passengers who were trying to board trains to Prayagraj for the Maha Kumbh.

www.ndtv.com

Well 18 People died (11 Women and 5 children) in this Delhi Stampede. How long Ashwini Vaishnaw will talk like nothing is wrong with Rail Babus.

Rail Babus across India cannot do anything useful for these archaic systems. Few days back in TN an Andhra Pradesh based women got Sexually Assaulted and thrown out of moving train. Also she is pregnant and it resulted in termination due to injuries sustained.

Also few instances of murder inside Station premises that too important suburban stations. Stations with poor surveillance resulting in Anti social activity. MRTS in Chennai is notorious for this. Huge stations with no surveillance. Lot of alcoholics, drugs, goons were spending night there. No action taken.

Now in last few weeks due to Kumbh Mela, extreme Dehatiness behavior is going on and Railways were failing to take action. Destruction of Rail Properties, Unreserved travel in reserved coaches including 1AC, 2AC, 3AC, SL. Even stationary electric Locos were dehatified by these people.


Till now no big action done by Rail bhavan. Occasional suspension does not work, DRM were running free. Always hide Rail Min and he is saving their asses.

Kumbh shd be decentralized. No amount of security arrangements can handle this kind of rush. Some 25-30 crore folks are rushing there EVERY WEEK for close to a month. There is no precedent anywhere else on this planet.

Time to do some work.
1. Install Turnstiles in all stations, Limit Station entry/exits and employ RPF with Assualt rifle, batons. Anyone tries to do Dehati behavior beat the life out of them

They will need to ramp up RPF numbers overnight to enforce this. Not possible.

2. Eliminate over giving UR tickets against the seating capacity. UR with 108 seats. But ends up 200+ plus people sitting inside. Can't Rail babus cannot fix this rocket science problem.

How else are you planning to provide cheaper travelling options to the economic migrants? Upgrading signalling, speed limits etc takes time. IR remained systematically underinvested and had its OR butchered by the Lalus and the Mamatas. It is not easy to reverse it.

3. Allow only folks who have confirmed tickets in each trains. Filter them at turnstiles level similar to Airports.

Again, they do not have the capacity to do that. Airports manage a fraction of traffic compared to the IR.

4. Eliminate Platform Ticket.
5. Do an demand study, introduce additional trains when required.

They did introduce special trains. It still wasn't enough.

6. Finally, if Rail babus were not showing any interest. Just throw these guys convert IR into Track management company and let GoI's IRCTC and allow private players as Train operators. These fat babus were fit for nothing.

Privately operated trains have not worked anywhere. Not even in uber rich UK where they had the purchasing power to afford them.

 

[Suryavanshi]

Install Turnstiles in all stations

Will collapse the economy.

Limit Station entry/exits and employ RPF with Assualt rifle, batons

Too costly not enough man power

Anyone tries to do Dehati behavior beat the life out of them

Very bad press, not desirable for ruling party. They will say "well why don't you do something about it".

Do an demand study, introduce additional trains when required

We have reached the limit there can only be minor improvements.

Kubh is a very exceptional event 20 to 25 million people moving across the country per day is a logistical nightmare of unprecedented order.

No one can present a solution because there isn't one.

 

[DingDong]

Delhi Railway Station Stampede Updates: UP Stations On Alert, Probe On

New Delhi Railway Station Stampede: The incident was caused by a sudden rush of passengers who were trying to board trains to Prayagraj for the Maha Kumbh.

www.ndtv.com

Well 18 People died (11 Women and 5 children) in this Delhi Stampede. How long Ashwini Vaishnaw will talk like nothing is wrong with Rail Babus.

Rail Babus across India cannot do anything useful for these archaic systems. Few days back in TN an Andhra Pradesh based women got Sexually Assaulted and thrown out of moving train. Also she is pregnant and it resulted in termination due to injuries sustained.

Also few instances of murder inside Station premises that too important suburban stations. Stations with poor surveillance resulting in Anti social activity. MRTS in Chennai is notorious for this. Huge stations with no surveillance. Lot of alcoholics, drugs, goons were spending night there. No action taken.

Now in last few weeks due to Kumbh Mela, extreme Dehatiness behavior is going on and Railways were failing to take action. Destruction of Rail Properties, Unreserved travel in reserved coaches including 1AC, 2AC, 3AC, SL. Even stationary electric Locos were dehatified by these people.


Till now no big action done by Rail bhavan. Occasional suspension does not work, DRM were running free. Always hide Rail Min and he is saving their asses.



Time to do some work.
1. Install Turnstiles in all stations, Limit Station entry/exits and employ RPF with Assualt rifle, batons. Anyone tries to do Dehati behavior beat the life out of them
2. Eliminate over giving UR tickets against the seating capacity. UR with 108 seats. But ends up 200+ plus people sitting inside. Can't Rail babus cannot fix this rocket science problem.
3. Allow only folks who have confirmed tickets in each trains. Filter them at turnstiles level similar to Airports.
4. Eliminate Platform Ticket.
5. Do an demand study, introduce additional trains when required.
6. Finally, if Rail babus were not showing any interest. Just throw these guys convert IR into Track management company and let GoI's IRCTC and allow private players as Train operators. These fat babus were fit for nothing.

These incidences cannot be described by the unruly crowd behavior alone. Crowd control and management is one of the crucial functions of the public services/facilities. They have failed miserably.

This is noting but cold blooded murder. Wait until we discover that the CCTV cameras were not working and it was nobody's fault. Let the victim blaming start.

By the way, Modi is known for heavily relying on his favorite bureaucrats (don't rely on academic practices he says). Look at the sheer number of political appointments of the ex-bureaucrats by this government. BJP is really exploiting the TINA factor.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

Kumbh shd be decentralized. No amount of security arrangements can handle this kind of rush. Some 25-30 crore folks are rushing there EVERY WEEK for close to a month. There is no precedent anywhere else on this planet.



They will need to ramp up RPF numbers overnight to enforce this. Not possible.


How else are you planning to provide cheaper travelling options to the economic migrants? Upgrading signalling, speed limits etc takes time. IR remained systematically underinvested and had its OR butchered by the Lalus and the Mamatas. It is not easy to reverse it.


Again, they do not have the capacity to do that. Airports manage a fraction of traffic compared to the IR.


They did introduce special trains. It still wasn't enough.



Privately operated trains have not worked anywhere. Not even in uber rich UK where they had the purchasing power to afford them.

We are talking like RPF is nowhere present in New Delhi stations. We have RPF in not so great numbers. But common sense dictates they can man entries and exits when they control it. If we allow every random persons inside the station then even 1000 RPF person can't do jack shit. Having Turnstiles will control the flow. RPF needs to monitor those areas only. On paper you reduce the invalid travelers better.

Otherwise you allow invalid train travellors they will get inside every reserved coaches, break everything and then die in stampedes. Also, we already seeing crimes inside trains.


People were poor, does not mean you dump 200-250 people in an UR coach of max 108 seats capacity. I can post pictures of Tamilnadu express, Grand Trunk, Coromandel Express. Jam packed and people sitting in door steps and travelling there for days. Poor does not mean die like Rats in those coaches. We seen in Coromandel Express accident. Rail babus were allowing this becuase they don't face the heat and people will throw against Rail min.

Any sane republic will drag that Babus to court for giving shit tier facilities. Their special train joomla is introducing some extra trains and call it day, which is always never satisfy the demand. I am seeing in SR where this Pongal special trains were less compared to lakhs of buses operated by both State and Private.


Rail babus in IR bhavan will never run any passenger service. If you gave chance they will run Goods train and earn money, this is what they want. They don't know jack shit about passenger service. Piyush goyal tried this route and Rail babus ego got hit and sabotaged it. They also sabotaged Vande Bharat before GOI beat the shit out of them. They are already sabotaging DFCCIL.

We are already running Tejas Rajdhani with IRCTC as train operator. Private tour operators will take over when rules were well defined. Let IR do the track, signal maintenance job. They can earn money for providing the service.


If we blame Lallu ji, Mamta ji even today, when we had 15 years of glorious bajapa government. Then we are just bluffing. Lallu era, mamta ear train announcement were done when we stopped announcing new trains for Every budget. IR can't even able to implement Kavach signalling, Perennially not accountable for various incidents in Railways. Heard about of this internal working of these guys from my relatives. Great example of guys not giving a fuck.

 

[DingDong]

We are talking like RPF is nowhere present in New Delhi stations. We have RPF in not so great numbers. But common sense dictates they can man entries and exits when they control it. If we allow every random persons inside the station then even 1000 RPF person can't do jack shit. Having Turnstiles will control the flow. RPF needs to monitor those areas only. On paper you reduce the invalid travelers better.

Otherwise you allow invalid train travellors they will get inside every reserved coaches, break everything and then die in stampedes. Also, we already seeing crimes inside trains.


People were poor, does not mean you dump 200-250 people in an UR coach of max 108 seats capacity. I can post pictures of Tamilnadu express, Grand Trunk, Coromandel Express. Jam packed and people sitting in door steps and travelling there for days. Poor does not mean die like Rats in those coaches. We seen in Coromandel Express accident. Rail babus were allowing this becuase they don't face the heat and people will throw against Rail min.

Any sane republic will drag that Babus to court for giving shit tier facilities. Their special train joomla is introducing some extra trains and call it day, which is always never satisfy the demand. I am seeing in SR where this Pongal special trains were less compared to lakhs of buses operated by both State and Private.


Rail babus in IR bhavan will never run any passenger service. If you gave chance they will run Goods train and earn money, this is what they want. They don't know jack shit about passenger service. Piyush goyal tried this route and Rail babus ego got hit and sabotaged it. They also sabotaged Vande Bharat before GOI beat the shit out of them. They are already sabotaging DFCCIL.

We are already running Tejas Rajdhani with IRCTC as train operator. Private tour operators will take over when rules were well defined. Let IR do the track, signal maintenance job. They can earn money for providing the service.


If we blame Lallu ji, Mamta ji even today, when we had 15 years of glorious bajapa government. Then we are just bluffing. Lallu era, mamta ear train announcement were done when we stopped announcing new trains for Every budget. IR can't even able to implement Kavach signalling, Perennially not accountable for various incidents in Railways. Heard about of this internal working of these guys from my relatives. Great example of guys not giving a fuck.

The issue is that it is almost impossible to fire an under-performing government employee here in India. Some of them have even been getting fixed tenures all thanks to the SC judgements. Just learn from the USA, bring in the hire and fire culture. However I doubt that the government will ever dare to.

An elected government telling the parliament that the decision was delayed because the bureaucrats were not "convinced". Even a powerful PM like Modi fears his bureaucracy.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjrZS7mkVOM

 

[ArjunMK1A]

The issue is that it is almost impossible to fire an under-performing government employee here in India. Some of them have even been getting fixed tenures all thanks to the SC judgements. Just learn from the USA, bring in the hire and fire culture. However I doubt that the government will ever dare to.

An elected government telling the parliament that the decision was delayed because the bureaucrats were not "convinced". Even a powerful PM like Modi fears his bureaucracy.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjrZS7mkVOM

We cannot defend government on certain things. This is the one thing. AV saving face will not work if he continuously trying to save his fellow babus for their inactions.

Instead of solving things at initial stage itself, we will allow them and get into new problem.

I am 100% sure, people will start breaking the coaches across India during the Rush period to get seats. This will slowly get into confrontation territory with other people. Soon we will see news of killings due to seat issue.

Even then Rail babus will escape without accountability.

 

[bakofbakchod]

We cannot defend government on certain things. This is the one thing. AV saving face will not work if he continuously trying to save his fellow babus for their inactions.

Instead of solving things at initial stage itself, we will allow them and get into new problem.

I am 100% sure, people will start breaking the coaches across India during the Rush period to get seats. This will slowly get into confrontation territory with other people. Soon we will see news of killings due to seat issue.

Even then Rail babus will escape without accountability.

We will hear in the news of some dehati shitstains setting some coach on fire either due to rush or being locked out by other passengers inside. Ala Godhra redux, if the govt does not do something about this unreserved crowd ruining every train going to/from gangetic belt soon

 

[crazywithmath]

We are talking like RPF is nowhere present in New Delhi stations. We have RPF in not so great numbers. But common sense dictates they can man entries and exits when they control it. If we allow every random persons inside the station then even 1000 RPF person can't do jack shit.

RPF can barely manage their duties as it is, and you want to entrust them with additional duties? We have about 152 cops (includes regular cops, armed police, CISF, RPF etc) per 1 lakh population - the global median stands at about ~300 (per 1 lakh pop). We still scrape through because India is largely peaceful and not crime prone.

Having Turnstiles will control the flow. RPF needs to monitor those areas only. On paper you reduce the invalid travelers better.

Not feasible for reasons mentioned above. Airports can manage it because they handle very few passengers.

Otherwise you allow invalid train travellors they will get inside every reserved coaches, break everything and then die in stampedes. Also, we already seeing crimes inside trains.

Increased track capacity, loop lines, better signalling etc can solve it. But it is a long process. We are only recently throwing 160 kmph capable long stretches open.

People were poor, does not mean you dump 200-250 people in an UR coach of max 108 seats capacity. I can post pictures of Tamilnadu express, Grand Trunk, Coromandel Express. Jam packed and people sitting in door steps and travelling there for days. Poor does not mean die like Rats in those coaches. We seen in Coromandel Express accident. Rail babus were allowing this becuase they don't face the heat and people will throw against Rail min.

Coromandel happened because there was a signal failure and the guys in charge of manual signalling fucked up. Regarding the 'dumping' issue, poorer folks prefer it because it is cheaper. Up until very recently, we weren't even constructing expressways or HSRs/SHSRs to share some of that load or making flying cheaper so this is what you get.

Any sane republic will drag that Babus to court for giving shit tier facilities. Their special train joomla is introducing some extra trains and call it day, which is always never satisfy the demand. I am seeing in SR where this Pongal special trains were less compared to lakhs of buses operated by both State and Private.

Because the track capacity is limited. There is only so many trains you can run given the signalling. And even that capacity comes at a cost - IR limits freight traffic (thereby losing out on freight which is the core business that keeps the IR afloat and worsening their already messed up OR).

Rail babus in IR bhavan will never run any passenger service. If you gave chance they will run Goods train and earn money, this is what they want. They don't know jack shit about passenger service. Piyush goyal tried this route and Rail babus ego got hit and sabotaged it. They also sabotaged Vande Bharat before GOI beat the shit out of them. They are already sabotaging DFCCIL.

Piyush Goyal was such a lightweight that the same babus sabotaged VB in front of his noses and he watched on silently. It took a new Railway Minister to get the project back on track. DFCCIL implementation is slow because it takes time to secure funds from external lending agencies (JICA etc). Sure, we routinely work with these agencies for our metro projects but their magnitudes differ and the costs are not even comparable.

We are already running Tejas Rajdhani with IRCTC as train operator. Private tour operators will take over when rules were well defined. Let IR do the track, signal maintenance job. They can earn money for providing the service.

IRCTC is a gormint proxy only. They can run only so many trains. The last time they invited bids for 'private players' only 2 bidders showed up - one of them was IRCTC (who, in all likelihood, were just forced to submit a bid) and the other was a shell company nobody had even heard of before.

If we blame Lallu ji, Mamta ji even today, when we had 15 years of glorious bajapa government. Then we are just bluffing. Lallu era, mamta ear train announcement were done when we stopped announcing new trains for Every budget. IR can't even able to implement Kavach signalling, Perennially not accountable for various incidents in Railways. Heard about of this internal working of these guys from my relatives. Great example of guys not giving a fuck.

Railways before Lalu was at least maintaining its OR, building new lines and raising passenger fares in accordance with inflation. Lalu stopped all of this and Mamata was giving away railway jobs to the families who were willing to vacate their lands for railway projects. The end result was that, in a period of unprecedented economic boom, OR of the IR actually declined and even went past 100. LHBfication wasn't a thing, electrification wasn't a thing, unmanned level crossings were the norm, nobody even thought of running trains at 130 kmph+, new trainsets were not procured or designed and the list goes on. The Lalu/Mamata era still haunts the IR - I wish you folks would read up on their misadventures before venting here.

 

[DingDong]

We will hear in the news of some dehati shitstains setting some coach on fire either due to rush or being locked out by other passengers inside. Ala Godhra redux, if the govt does not do something about this unreserved crowd ruining every train going to/from gangetic belt soon

Issue of proper and affordable connectivity increases the burden on the railways. Railways is a public service, it cannot be run like a private business, it cannot just shoo away those who heavily rely on it's services (particularly the low income groups).

The Northern Plain is a densely populated region. It suffered decades of neglect in terms of infrastructure development and road connectivity. Any solution must take the local needs and issues into consideration. The solution must come fast before it is too late. People must be encouraged to opt for road transportation.

 

[Suga]

RPF can barely manage their duties as it is, and you want to entrust them with additional duties? We have about 152 cops (includes regular cops, armed police, CISF, RPF etc) per 1 lakh population - the global median stands at about ~300 (per 1 lakh pop). We still scrape through because India is largely peaceful and not crime prone.



Not feasible for reasons mentioned above. Airports can manage it because they handle very few passengers.



Increased track capacity, loop lines, better signalling etc can solve it. But it is a long process. We are only recently throwing 160 kmph capable long stretches open.



Coromandel happened because there was a signal failure and the guys in charge of manual signalling fucked up. Regarding the 'dumping' issue, poorer folks prefer it because it is cheaper. Up until very recently, we weren't even constructing expressways or HSRs/SHSRs to share some of that load or making flying cheaper so this is what you get.



Because the track capacity is limited. There is only so many trains you can run given the signalling. And even that capacity comes at a cost - IR limits freight traffic (thereby losing out on freight which is the core business that keeps the IR afloat and worsening their already messed up OR).



Piyush Goyal was such a lightweight that the same babus sabotaged VB in front of his noses and he watched on silently. It took a new Railway Minister to get the project back on track. DFCCIL implementation is slow because it takes time to secure funds from external lending agencies (JICA etc). Sure, we routinely work with these agencies for our metro projects but their magnitudes differ and the costs are not even comparable.



IRCTC is a gormint proxy only. They can run only so many trains. The last time they invited bids for 'private players' only 2 bidders showed up - one of them was IRCTC (who, in all likelihood, were just forced to submit a bid) and the other was a shell company nobody had even heard of before.



Railways before Lalu was at least maintaining its OR, building new lines and raising passenger fares in accordance with inflation. Lalu stopped all of this and Mamata was giving away railway jobs to the families who were willing to vacate their lands for railway projects. The end result was that, in a period of unprecedented economic boom, OR of the IR actually declined and even went past 100. LHBfication wasn't a thing, electrification wasn't a thing, unmanned level crossings were the norm, nobody even thought of running trains at 130 kmph+, new trainsets were not procured or designed and the list goes on. The Lalu/Mamata era still haunts the IR - I wish you folks would read up on their misadventures before venting here.

Politics is definitely to be blamed but incompetency and laziness of railways babus is also to be blamed until goverment sends these people to jail nothing gonna change.
We need administration and bureaucratic reforms asap. Indian railway should be corporatised not the current ongoing circus and same was said in Bibek debroy committee . When goevenment doesn’t even implement recommendations of commmittee why even bother creating them.
Goverment should able to fire these lazy ass babus. God knows which system lehru implemented you can’t even fire all these upsc babus. Seeing orange man firing left right, wish that should have been the case here.

 

[crazywithmath]

Politics is definitely to be blamed but incompetency and laziness of railways babus is also to be blamed until goverment sends these people to jail nothing gonna change.
We need administration and bureaucratic reforms asap. Indian railway should be corporatised not the current ongoing circus and same was said in Bibek debroy committee . When goevenment doesn’t even implement recommendations of commmittee why even bother creating them.
Goverment should able to fire these lazy ass babus. God knows which system lehru implemented you can’t even fire all these upsc babus. Seeing orange man firing left right, wish that should have been the case here.

Orange man will achieve fuck all with his 21 year old DOGE edgelords and more interested in settling some personal scores. Indian infra is a state capacity issue, firing a bunch of entitled brats won't solve anything. I gave ya'll an example of police to population ratio - we need a bigger state machinery, not less.

 

[Azaad]

Orange man will achieve fuck all with his 21 year old DOGE edgelords and more interested in settling some personal scores. Indian infra is a state capacity issue, firing a bunch of entitled brats won't solve anything. I gave ya'll an example of police to population ratio - we need a bigger state machinery, not less.

We've also to consider the circumstances of this incident. It's the Kumbh - the largest gathering ever of mankind in one particular place in history. GoI will allow latitude for some casualties . However this didn't happen at the site of the pilgrimage .

Can't tell what exactly went wrong but not discharging two trains on either side of the same platform with common exit & entry points especially if it is expected to be choc a bloc is elementary common sense .

It could be IR officials in Delhi were totally clueless of the passenger traffic in either or both trains. Unfortunately I don't foresee anything except the mandatory suspension & enquiry post which some low level officials either get wrung thru the system or escapes culpability . Either way those deaths end up as a statistic.

On a different yet related note , the unprecedented popularity of this time's Kumbh signifies a few things namely the piety of the ordinary Hindu but more importantly the spending power to make the journey & back where even as recently as 12 years ago this wasn't observed among the poorest sections of society which apart from telling us the health of the economy is also indirectly a testament to the transportation facilities as opposed to what was the state of affairs in the past.