Indian Railways

Ministry of Railways: Year End Review 2024

Key Points:
  • Indian Railways achieved 6,450 km of complete track renewal, 8,550 turnout renewals, and raised speeds to 130 kmph over 2,000 km in 2024​
  • Indian Railways electrified 3,210 Rkm in 2024, extending the electrified BG network to 97% with renewable energy capacity reaching 2,014 MW​
  • A record 136 Vande Bharat trains and the first Namo Bharat Rapid Rail were introduced, alongside 21,513 special train trips during peak seasons​
  • Indian Railways loaded 1,473 MT of freight in 2024, achieving a 3.86% growth, with EDFC and WDFC facilitating over 72,000 train runs​
  • Work started on 1,198 stations out of 1,337 stations under Amrit Bharat Station Scheme​
  • 10,000 Locos being equipped with Kavach safety technology, 9000 technicians trained and bids invited for 15,000 Rkm​
  • Indian Railways’ heritage sites, including 80 stations and 78 structures, were digitized, while festivals like Ghum boosted tourism​
 
Now what's stopping Shimla-Kalka route to convert from toy train to an actual BG train service..
Kalka shimla is an UNESCO heritage Rail line. So it will be like this. On the other we need to keep an eye on Bhanupali-Leh Rail link. This is the most challenging rail line and we will the highest station in the world beating Chinese.
https://www.freepressjournal.in/amp...ausing-major-disruptions-says-central-railway


Mumbai: 85% Escalator Shutdowns At Suburban Stations Due To Mischief, Causing Major Disruptions, Says Central Railway​

According to Rajnish Goyal, Divisional Railway Manager of Central Railway's Mumbai division, more than 150 escalators installed at suburban stations were shut down nearly 21,000 times in a month on average, and around 18,000 of these incidents were due to mischief involving the stop button.​


What is wrong with us ?

:facepalm4:


Should install Turnstiles. If we don't put an sense of Security in Railway station we are idiots.
 
Kalka shimla is an UNESCO heritage Rail line. So it will be like this. On the other we need to keep an eye on Bhanupali-Leh Rail link. This is the most challenging rail line and we will the highest station in the world beating Chinese.
Tbh I find this UNESCO shit to be dumb...Connecting Shimla ( A State Capital) to the BG Network is kinda important given the crucial infra and communication is for State-Central Administration. From what I recall that last monsoon or so ...totally destroyed parts of the Chandigarh-Shimla 4-lane highway essentially cutting of the State Capital from the mainland for few days.. With that one can directly has trains services from Delhi to Shimla without changing trains at Kalka..aka Rajdhani Express/Shatabdi Express/Vande Bharat.
That Kalka-Shimla toy train is Colonial British Legacy..and if the Govt replaces the Parliament with a new Parliament as symbol of New Bharat then these things should also be replaced.. marking Bharat i.e India's Technological capacity over its previous colonial masters..
 

View: https://youtu.be/rwZUsakbG1Y?si=dNxZVMO5cYEwwNZ1

This is a very informative interview with Mr Balakesari veteran Railwayman & ex Railway Board Member who's stridently criticised the haste with which electrification of the entire system was undertaken.

While I don't quite agree with his logic of comparing "coal based vs diesel based railway," using terminology he's used to describe this phenomenon of replacing the latter with the former , this one move has led to us stabling ( resting locomotives permanently in car sheds akin to the IAF retiring planes , keeping them in reserve) 2500 diesel locomotives @upto INR 50 cr per unit = INR 1,25,000/-

What a collosal waste of resources ?!
 

View: https://youtu.be/rwZUsakbG1Y?si=dNxZVMO5cYEwwNZ1

This is a very informative interview with Mr Balakesari veteran Railwayman & ex Railway Board Member who's stridently criticised the haste with which electrification of the entire system was undertaken.

While I don't quite agree with his logic of comparing "coal based vs diesel based railway," using terminology he's used to describe this phenomenon of replacing the latter with the former , this one move has led to us stabling ( resting locomotives permanently in car sheds akin to the IAF retiring planes , keeping them in reserve) 2500 diesel locomotives @upto INR 50 cr per unit = INR 1,25,000/-

What a collosal waste of resources ?!

Some points, rail electrification was not done for today it was done with consideration of tomorrow.

Diesel locomotives become redundant but not useless, they are still being used. And will continue being used

Diesel locomotives as everything depreciate so it’s not 50 crore per locomotive, so the whole value of 1,25,000 is wrong.

Thermal plant has less carbon footprint to run 2500 electric locomotives compared to 2500 diesel locomotives. (My assumption)

Piyush goyal tried to cancel GE contract but it was too late so we are stuck with those engines and it’s good to have a backup as there can be grid failure which can effect.

At the end of day it was railway advisors who came up with electrification and there will be always someone who will criticize.

I don’t mind them criticizing, I find his assumption full of flaws just when it comes to electrification.

Coal is cheaper then diesel.

He even takes US as example which is wrong in our context.

Lalu decision to overload the train was wrong, nobody talks about deterioration of the railway track because of overload, the assumption was the trains were already overloaded so he just legalized it, well there are few workers who will do that but not all, once you legalized it then you allow everyone to do it.


Just my 2 cents
 

View: https://youtu.be/rwZUsakbG1Y?si=dNxZVMO5cYEwwNZ1

This is a very informative interview with Mr Balakesari veteran Railwayman & ex Railway Board Member who's stridently criticised the haste with which electrification of the entire system was undertaken.

While I don't quite agree with his logic of comparing "coal based vs diesel based railway," using terminology he's used to describe this phenomenon of replacing the latter with the former , this one move has led to us stabling ( resting locomotives permanently in car sheds akin to the IAF retiring planes , keeping them in reserve) 2500 diesel locomotives @upto INR 50 cr per unit = INR 1,25,000/-

What a collosal waste of resources ?!

these locos shall be really useful in case of disruption of Electricity supply to trains - ensuring continuity of services.
 
Some points, rail electrification was not done for today it was done with consideration of tomorrow.

It could have been staggered. That's the whole point. IR went about it in mission mode for they were tasked with it & provided the funds for it with a deadline.
Diesel locomotives become redundant but not useless, they are still being used. And will continue being used

Where will you use a diesel locomotive in a fully electrified grid except for shunting ?
Diesel locomotives as everything depreciate so it’s not 50 crore per locomotive, so the whole value of 1,25,000 is wrong.

All capital goods are subject to depreciation. Are electric trains immune from it ? I also used the the word UPTO INR 50 cr & the estimates are obviously in the upper bracket.
Thermal plant has less carbon footprint to run 2500 electric locomotives compared to 2500 diesel locomotives. (My assumption)

I don't agree with his reasoning . Electrification is mandatory for a nation like ours poor in crude oil deposits & would've been carried out much like the standardization of railway gauge. The only issue of contention is the time line not the act itself. It should have been staggered over a 20 year period & funds allocated to improving speed on tracks.

Imagine having trainsets capable of running @160 kmph running at half the speed due to constraints of tracks.
Piyush goyal tried to cancel GE contract but it was too late so we are stuck with those engines and it’s good to have a backup as there can be grid failure which can effect.

The cumulative value of the tender awarded to construct the Electric Locomotive factory in Madhepura & the Diesel Electric Locomotive in Marhowrah was 6 billion USD . Assuming it was split into half it still works out to 3 billion USD = ~ 26, 000 crores at today's exchange rates for 1000 DE locomotives .

On which planet do they employ 2500 DE locomotives as back up for a once in a blue moon event ?
At the end of day it was railway advisors who came up with electrification and there will be always someone who will criticize.

Railway advisors didn't come up with this recommendation. It came from Leaderji . I state no studies or thought was applied to this move . Unfortunately our railway upgradation / modernization program is poorly conceived & not well implemented.

The entire program of spending crores on beautifying & upgradation of key railway terminus / stations is also part of this thought process. In a resource scarce nation like ours it's ill advised to spend the kind of money we're on it .

If anything we ought to have monetized these assets thru a public private partnership model where after identification of such assets for the purpose of real estate exploitation we formed a holding company in partnership perhaps with the state government & offered these places to the Pvt sector to lease for say a period of 25 years after getting them to beautify / modernise these stations & against payment of a fixed sum ( either on a lumpsum basis or on a partnership model or a fixed annual payment ) .

I'd further have local train network be handled by the state government leaving the centre to handle inter state network after due legislation specifying asset ownership distribution , maintenance , revenue model , safety etc .

Anyway I digress . This is a topic for another day.
I don’t mind them criticizing, I find his assumption full of flaws just when it comes to electrification.

Coal is cheaper then diesel.
I believe he's referring to the cumulative pollution . Besides he's also explained it on the basis of efficiency of a diesel locomotive vs an electric one.
He even takes US as example which is wrong in our context.


Lalu decision to overload the train was wrong, nobody talks about deterioration of the railway track because of overload, the assumption was the trains were already overloaded so he just legalized it, well there are few workers who will do that but not all, once you legalized it then you allow everyone to do it.
It was making a virtue of a necessity but his larger point was it would not be possible without track upgradation / repairs though I admit he should have mentioned Laloo's opportunism but then he'd be implicating himself as in the IR itself for the way the model operates today is IR tenders freight carrying to Pvt parties who on winning the tender pay IR upfront (?) & in turn source freight from industry where in order to maximize their earnings they indulge in over loading.

IR is supposed to monitor this & call it out preventing overloading wherever it occurs but it doesn't because palms are greased all the way & down the IR hierarchy.

Just my 2 cents
 

View: https://youtu.be/rwZUsakbG1Y?si=dNxZVMO5cYEwwNZ1

This is a very informative interview with Mr Balakesari veteran Railwayman & ex Railway Board Member who's stridently criticised the haste with which electrification of the entire system was undertaken.

While I don't quite agree with his logic of comparing "coal based vs diesel based railway," using terminology he's used to describe this phenomenon of replacing the latter with the former , this one move has led to us stabling ( resting locomotives permanently in car sheds akin to the IAF retiring planes , keeping them in reserve) 2500 diesel locomotives @upto INR 50 cr per unit = INR 1,25,000/-

What a collosal waste of resources ?!

he is saying,585 have been stabled in middle of last year, not 2500. either way, 2000 engines will go out of service.


View: https://youtu.be/rwZUsakbG1Y?t=1297

would have been nice, if he had given more details on engines that are stabled (like their service life).
what if those that are being stabled are nearing end of their service life.


It's not a settled matter within railways either on how many diesel locos will be retained, they are changing their numbers as years go by.

in 2017, Railway board said they will retain 1500 diesel engines.

2020

in 2022, Railways said they will retain 2200 engines
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...eir-max-service-life/articleshow/90551032.cms

In 2024, Railways are saying they will retain 2500 engines
 
he is saying,585 have been stabled in middle of last year, not 2500. either way, 2000 engines will go out of service.


View: https://youtu.be/rwZUsakbG1Y?t=1297


The Diesel Locomotives mfgd since 2014-15 at Marhowrah itself is 1000 nos . Those are practically brand new . I've no clue what the EXACT total inventory is of Diesel Locomotives as of now but even if it is 2000 nos on the conservative side after having considered depreciation it's still a sub optimal usage of resources ( shunting , disaster relief , etc as these used to occur from the regular stock which was diverted there in case of the latter or the older ones were used in case of the former ) if not an outright waste.

That's my larger point.
would have been nice, if he had given more details on engines that are stabled (like their service life).
what if those that are being stabled are nearing end of their service life.


It's not a settled matter within railways either on how many diesel locos will be retained, they are changing their numbers as years go by.

in 2017, Railway board said they will retain 1500 diesel engines.

2020

in 2022, Railways said they will retain 2200 engines
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...eir-max-service-life/articleshow/90551032.cms

In 2024, Railways are saying they will retain 2500 engines
 
The Diesel Locomotives mfgd since 2014-15 at Marhowrah itself is 1000 nos . Those are practically brand new . I've no clue what the EXACT total inventory is of Diesel Locomotives as of now but even if it is 2000 nos on the conservative side after having considered depreciation it's still a sub optimal usage of resources ( shunting , disaster relief , etc as these used to occur from the regular stock which was diverted there in case of the latter or the older ones were used in case of the former ) if not an outright waste.

That's my larger point.

because this is a Dhindu interview, we will have to find answers ourselves or wait for railways to give official response.

but logic dictates, that higher HP engines and newer efficient engines will be retained. and those nearing second and third refurbishment will be disposed off.

and i don't agree with his point of "too soon" either, how soon is too soon. it's all relative.
it's been 7 years since this electrification plan has commenced, so does he mean waiting another 7 more years is ok for him. Dhindu did not and will not ask such a question that gives clarity.

this current capex cycle that is going on, we don't know how long it will last. we don't know if there is a govt change next election, if they will be keen or capable of managing such a capex heavy governance, since capex is not an election issue. if heavy capex spending was everybody's cup of tea, it would have happened long back, there wouldn't have been such a backlog spanning decades.

cost of 1 lakh crore now and 1 lakh crore a decade later is not the same, because of inflation we will get less goods for same amount a decade later. predicting interest rates a decade into future is out of question, since all these investments are debt.

personally my general rule regarding infra capex is, get as much as possible done now itself, when lenders and industry is geared for it. worry about revenue expenditure later.
 
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because this is a Dhindu interview, we will have to find answers ourselves or wait for railways to give official response.

but logic dictates, that higher HP engines and newer efficient engines will be retained. and those nearing second and third refurbishment will be disposed off.

and i don't agree with his point of "too soon" either, how soon is too soon. it's all relative.
it's been 7 years since this electrification plan has commenced, so does he mean waiting another 7 more years is ok for him. Dhindu did not and will not ask such a question that gives clarity.

this current capex cycle that is going on, we don't know how long it will last. we don't know if there is a govt change next election, if they will be keen or capable of managing such a capex heavy governance, since capex is not an election issue. if heavy capex spending was everybody's cup of tea, it would have happened long back, there wouldn't have been such a backlog spanning decades.

cost of 1 lakh crore now and 1 lakh crore a decade later is not the same, because of inflation we will get less goods for same amount a decade later. predicting interest rates a decade into future is out of question, since all these investments are debt.

personally my general rule regarding infra capex is, get as much as possible done now itself, when lenders and industry is geared for it. worry about revenue expenditure later.
I agree with all your points like a change of dispensation can jeopardize all such plans or that this should've been initiated at least 2 decades ago in say a 20 year plan such that we'd have been approaching the end of that cycle & other such points.

However , and this is something I failed to disclose earlier , in multiple such interviews other important retired personnel along with some one of Sudhanshu Mani's stature also stated that around 20-25 % of the total railway network we had didn't support electrification for reasons as diverse as low passenger traffic , preponderance of natural disasters in those areas like flooding , etc .

Now keeping this in mind what would you have to say . I haven't even touched on sabotage like in case of a war of the entire grid or where power is generated etc though quite obviously this can't & shouldn't preclude electrification for obvious reasons.
 
I agree with all your points like a change of dispensation can jeopardize all such plans or that this should've been initiated at least 2 decades ago in say a 20 year plan such that we'd have been approaching the end of that cycle & other such points.

However , and this is something I failed to disclose earlier , in multiple such interviews other important retired personnel along with some one of Sudhanshu Mani's stature also stated that around 20-25 % of the total railway network we had didn't support electrification for reasons as diverse as low passenger traffic , preponderance of natural disasters in those areas like flooding , etc .

Now keeping this in mind what would you have to say . I haven't even touched on sabotage like in case of a war of the entire grid or where power is generated etc though quite obviously this can't & shouldn't preclude electrification for obvious reasons.

haven't looked into these angles.

mani is entitled to his opinions, and there are n number of "what if" scenarios for any given system.

whatever points mani is raising, there must be some official railways public info. since Indian railways is such a large organisation, every decision will have to pass thru multiple levels of scrutiny.

if not info directly from railways, CAG must have highlighted it. does it exist?

do note, i am trying to keep this conversation grounded. railways is such a large and complex organisation, there will be no end to "what if"s if the discussion is not tethered to ground reality.

and let me add, i am wondering.
why is that, all these points are coming from retired TN fellows?
is there some anxiety within southern railway zone about the changes that are happening?

this is quite common when organisation go thru changes.
 
haven't looked into these angles.

mani is entitled to his opinions, and there are n number of "what if" scenarios for any given system.

whatever points mani is raising, there must be some official railways public info. since Indian railways is such a large organisation, every decision will have to pass thru multiple levels of scrutiny.

if not info directly from railways, CAG must have highlighted it. does it exist?

Nothing I've come across except those interviews.
do note, i am trying to keep this conversation grounded. railways is such a large and complex organisation, there will be no end to "what if"s if the discussion is not tethered to ground reality.

and let me add, i am wondering.
why is that, all these points are coming from retired TN fellows?
is there some anxiety within southern railway zone about the changes that are happening?

this is quite common when organisation go thru changes.
What could those anxieties be ? I haven't come across any TN ex railwayman interviews except this gentleman . The other interviews I'm referring to were mostly N Indian ex railwaymen IIRC . But none to my knowledge were from the south.
 
Nothing I've come across except those interviews.

What could those anxieties be ? I haven't come across any TN ex railwayman interviews except this gentleman . The other interviews I'm referring to were mostly N Indian ex railwaymen IIRC . But none to my knowledge were from the south.

just to add to my previous post, last time i deep dived into railways data because there was a discussion on dfc freight. it took me a few days to figure out that, just because DFC tracks are online doesn't mean tenders for infra for each new dfc station, for approach road to the new station, for cargo booking office facilities around the stations etc are done. this was a few years ago. finding data on railways is a maze. maybe those who are fully into railways fandom know these things, but for us it takes some effort.

on anxieties, could be vendor pressure, could be skill of senior fellows getting redundant etc. power is such a important element in govt hierarchy.
 

View: https://youtu.be/rwZUsakbG1Y?si=dNxZVMO5cYEwwNZ1

This is a very informative interview with Mr Balakesari veteran Railwayman & ex Railway Board Member who's stridently criticised the haste with which electrification of the entire system was undertaken.

While I don't quite agree with his logic of comparing "coal based vs diesel based railway," using terminology he's used to describe this phenomenon of replacing the latter with the former , this one move has led to us stabling ( resting locomotives permanently in car sheds akin to the IAF retiring planes , keeping them in reserve) 2500 diesel locomotives @upto INR 50 cr per unit = INR 1,25,000/-

What a collosal waste of resources ?!

You and he have failed to factor in the fuel savings and maintenance costs over the years that the stabling of these locomotives will give us. And not only that it effectively makes the entire railroad system immune from global fuel price shocks and embargo and we can effectively keep our railways running and open using our coal reserves, wind & solar power, and hydro power. This is a critical infrastructure lifeline for India’s economy. If all else fails we still have the railroads to keep our economy functioning and alive. That’s the biggest and priceless takeaway you should process.
 
You and he have failed to factor in the fuel savings and maintenance costs over the years that the stabling of these locomotives will give us. And not only that it effectively makes the entire railroad system immune from global fuel price shocks and embargo and we can effectively keep our railways running and open using our coal reserves, wind & solar power, and hydro power. This is a critical infrastructure lifeline for India’s economy. If all else fails we still have the railroads to keep our economy functioning and alive. That’s the biggest and priceless takeaway you should process.

my response would have been "this is why we should not start watching movies after interval". :ROFLMAO:
but you don't have movies with intermission that often isn't it !!!
 
my response would have been "this is why we should not start watching movies after interval". :ROFLMAO:
but you don't have movies with intermission that often isn't it !!!
Fail to get your point. Are you saying that I’m behind the curve? I have read all the posts since Azaad’s post and my post is still relevant. He claims that it is a colossal waste of resources and money and it should have been staggered over the years. Doesn’t matter. Better to bite the bullet now and get all that savings k stress of playing it cute and get caught flat footed, ie, the pandemic and the Russian Ukrainian war that drove inflation up.
 

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