Indian Railways

[ArjunMK1A]

Is converting Diesel engine into Electcic feasible? What percentage of similarity in parts?

They are using the shell only I believe. They tried and lot of them not even approved for production.

So we can say mostly failed.

 

[ArjunMK1A]

What is stopping India from retiring crappy trains like Shat(lol)abdi and others and making everything into Vande Bharat? Also btw, Vande Bharat average speed is on par with Amtrak. Amtrak is 1970s era technology. This is a good thing, but, India has much to catch up on still.

Agree with your comment on having multiple trains but doing the same service.

Shatabdi, Jan Shatabdi should be stopped and VB should take over as singletrains with multiple timings between cities.

Also MEMU should be increased between smaller cities and Capitals. Should have ACs.

Superfast/Express distinction needs to be removed. Just single Overnight express trains with 3AC setting. Pricing should be 1-1.5 Rs per KM. Also increase the speed from current measly 55 km to somewhere around 85 kmph.

Vande Metro needed more. Can be used as upmarket replacement in certain sections.

Rajdhani, Duronto, Sampark kranti should be replaced by VB Sleeper. Except Rajdhani remove 2AC and have 14 3AC and 2 1AC (Rename as Business class) on the other two trains.

But main things. Increase MPS in all critical routes like Del-Mum, Del-Chn, Del-Kol, Chn-Mum etc. Then station yard remodelling to allow seamless entry exit for trains.

IR should be an Track maintenance companies, Introduce multiple train operators like in Europe, Government should have an say by making IRCTC as government owned train operators followed by other Private operators.

Break Rail factories and make them as separate PSU with corporatization.


Also IR should be made to concentrate on only Maintenance of Tracks rather than running trains which they don't want to do and also bleed money.

 

[Azaad]

They are using the shell only I believe. They tried and lot of them not even approved for production.

So we can say mostly failed.

So practically the entire lot of diesel locomotives we have is going to be scrapped?

 

[crazywithmath]

View: https://youtu.be/rwZUsakbG1Y?si=dNxZVMO5cYEwwNZ1

This is a very informative interview with Mr Balakesari veteran Railwayman & ex Railway Board Member who's stridently criticised the haste with which electrification of the entire system was undertaken.

While I don't quite agree with his logic of comparing "coal based vs diesel based railway," using terminology he's used to describe this phenomenon of replacing the latter with the former , this one move has led to us stabling ( resting locomotives permanently in car sheds akin to the IAF retiring planes , keeping them in reserve) 2500 diesel locomotives @upto INR 50 cr per unit = INR 1,25,000/-

What a collosal waste of resources ?!

I don't get it! You will always need diesel locos, no? What if multiple grids are affected? What if a war breaks out? One reasonable point we could make is that electrifying minor branch lines made little economic sense (unlike in mainline where it helped save fuel costs).

 

[Azaad]

I don't get it! You will always need diesel locos, no? What if multiple grids are affected? What if a war breaks out? One reasonable point we could make is that electrifying minor branch lines made little economic sense (unlike in mainline where it helped save fuel costs).

Brozzer you missed a couple of pages of furious debate. I'd urge you to go thru them before arriving at a conclusion.

 

[Azaad]

https://www.business-standard.com/india-news/indian-railways-partners-with-rkfl-twl-to-reduce-reliance-on-china-125011001278_1.html

 

[londonparistokyo]

I can understand price consciousness and all but I don't understand the need for 100 different train types. We have people of different economic strata here in the USA as well but everybody takes the same train. Also there should not be any distinction with AC v non-AC. In a hot, humid climate such as India, AC has a lot of benefits besides just cooling. Can reduce mosquito nuisance while you're inside as well amongst others

 

[Vishnugupt]

I can understand price consciousness and all but I don't understand the need for 100 different train types.

What kind of dumb statment is this?? You are understanding price consciousness and all but can't understand reason behind different types of trains in india??

Actually you understand none. Apart from paying 5000 rupees for physician in India tell us more about 100 types of trains in india???

In USA or West you barely travel 10-15 times a year by National trains. But in India you people travel 100 times a year. That's why you need more diverse train system in india than land of Gl0b0h0m0s.

People in India value money over comfort ( unlike Brown Sipoy keep on crying for everything) so it is justified having cheap trains ( General or Passanger train).

Basically India have 4-5 types of trains for long haul.

Passanger train ( Cheapest )
mail ( sleeper class)
Express ( sleeper but less stations)

Satabdi is a chair car to connect state capitals for business trips ( daytime travel only)

Rajdhani express is sleeper , night time, long haul.

A population, size of Australia and Newzealand travel in Indian train any given time so diversity is must to match expectations from every section of society.

 

[Blademaster]

What kind of dumb statment is this?? You are understanding price consciousness and all but can't understand reason behind different types of trains in india??

Actually you understand none. Apart from paying 5000 rupees for physician in India tell us more about 100 types of trains in india???

In USA or West you barely travel 10-15 times a year by National trains. But in India you people travel 100 times a year. That's why you need more diverse train system in india than land of Gl0b0h0m0s.

People in India value money over comfort ( unlike Brown Sipoy keep on crying for everything) so it is justified having cheap trains ( General or Passanger train).

Basically India have 4-5 types of trains for long haul.

Passanger train ( Cheapest )
mail ( sleeper class)
Express ( sleeper but less stations)

Satabdi is a chair car to connect state capitals for business trips ( daytime travel only)

Rajdhani express is sleeper , night time, long haul.

A population, size of Australia and Newzealand travel in Indian train any given time so diversity is must to match expectations from every section of society.

The issue with different type of cars is lack of scale for maintenance and it means more costs for maintenance. If you can reduce the type of cars and bring more of the same type you get economy of scale, efficiency and less costly maintenance. Take a look at China and see how they did it. They do not have over 100 types of cars but simply made the fewest they could and forced its system to adapt to the few types they have and the result is simply gigantic. They built their bullet trains when their economy was basically the size of today India’s economy and forced its population to accept this system.

 

[Vishnugupt]

The issue with different type of cars is lack of scale for maintenance and it means more costs for maintenance. If you can reduce the type of cars and bring more of the same type you get economy of scale, efficiency and less costly maintenance. Take a look at China and see how they did it. They do not have over 100 types of cars but simply made the fewest they could and forced its system to adapt to the few types they have and the result is simply gigantic. They built their bullet trains when their economy was basically the size of today India’s economy and forced its population to accept this system.

India is also in transition.
There will Bande Bharat chair car and sleepers only in the future for major routes.

LHB coaches will be used in cheap Passanger trains.

 

[londonparistokyo]

What kind of dumb statment is this?? You are understanding price consciousness and all but can't understand reason behind different types of trains in india??

Actually you understand none. Apart from paying 5000 rupees for physician in India tell us more about 100 types of trains in india???

In USA or West you barely travel 10-15 times a year by National trains. But in India you people travel 100 times a year. That's why you need more diverse train system in india than land of Gl0b0h0m0s.

People in India value money over comfort ( unlike Brown Sipoy keep on crying for everything) so it is justified having cheap trains ( General or Passanger train).

Basically India have 4-5 types of trains for long haul.

Passanger train ( Cheapest )
mail ( sleeper class)
Express ( sleeper but less stations)

Satabdi is a chair car to connect state capitals for business trips ( daytime travel only)

Rajdhani express is sleeper , night time, long haul.

A population, size of Australia and Newzealand travel in Indian train any given time so diversity is must to match expectations from every section of society.

You have serious mental issues. I didn't read past your second line.

Edit: I read it because your stupidity entertains me. Bullet trains can connect the farthest corners of India and make them into day trips. India is roughly six times the size of France. To go from Marseille to Paris (~800 km) can be done in 3h 20min. To go 550km in India (Delhi - Lucknow) is in itself a full day journey (8 hours). To go 800km in the USA (New York - Raleigh) is also a full day journey (~12 hours), but us "Gl0b0h0m0s" have cars so we would rather drive or fly it. Some of us will take a train, and we will enjoy AC in the entire train. But people like you will have excuses for everything and think that poor people don't deserve AC and normal amenities because they are poor. Shameful.

 

[Vishnugupt]

You have serious mental issues. I didn't read past your second line.

Edit: I read it because your stupidity entertains me. Bullet trains can connect the farthest corners of India and make them into day trips. India is roughly six times the size of France. To go from Marseille to Paris (~800 km) can be done in 3h 20min. To go 550km in India (Delhi - Lucknow) is in itself a full day journey (8 hours). To go 800km in the USA (New York - Raleigh) is also a full day journey (~12 hours), but us "Gl0b0h0m0s" have cars so we would rather drive or fly it. Some of us will take a train, and we will enjoy AC in the entire train. But people like you will have excuses for everything and think that poor people don't deserve AC and normal amenities because they are poor. Shameful.

For a Child like you logic sound like a mental illness because Brown Sipoy with childish behaviour can not see beyond his cry.

Every amenities cost money brown Sipoy. It's maintenance also cost money brown Sipoy.

To go from Marseille to Paris (~800 km) can be done in 3h 20min.

Brown Sipoy is giving selective rail route example only to his bias.

To go 550km in India (Delhi - Lucknow) is in itself a full day journey (8 hours).

MF Brown Sipoy again giving selective heavily biased example. Vande Bharat takes only 6:25 hrs only.

To go 800km in the USA (New York - Raleigh) is also a full day journey (~12 hours), but us "Gl0b0h0m0s" have cars so we would rather drive or fly it.

We also having same here Brown Sipoy but last time you travel India via gutter route.

we will enjoy AC in the entire train.

You enjoy AC after paying massive money. Such amount of money for AC illogical for us because we don't live on goverment aid.

But people like you will have excuses for everything and think that poor people don't deserve AC and normal amenities because they are poor. Shameful.

But Gl0b0h0m0s Liberandu-sickulars brown Sipoy like you will cry , no matter what. You squint eyes always look for faults only.

Why brown Sipoy only worried about AC trains?? What about homeless people?? Why America have more homeless people than india??? Isn't it shameful for a brown Sipoy your masters living on street??

Brown Sipoy actually ridicules while pretending as well wishers.

Utterly Shameful and worthless people.

 

[SKC]

Enough guys! Have a discussion without name calling and strictly on facts!
@Vishnugupt & @londonparistokyo

 

[Vishnugupt]

Enough guys! Have a discussion without name calling and strictly on facts!
@Vishnugupt & @londonparistokyo

I hate this typical look down attitude of Brown Sipoys. Half of anti-India propaganda comes from these brown Sipoys.

Problems are everywhere, So does in India. All are aware of that and working for betterment as well.

Brown Sipoy need to learn a few manners. when you visit any place you explore it as learner, not like boss or owner.

After Bollywood and Gl0b0h0m0s Liberandu-sickulars.... Brown Sipoy is next in the line of fire. Improve your attitude before you feel the heat.

 

[Blademaster]

I hate this typical look down attitude of Brown Sipoys. Half of anti-India propaganda comes from these brown Sipoys.

Problems are everywhere, So does in India. All are aware of that and working for betterment as well.

Brown Sipoy need to learn a few manners. when you visit any place you explore it as learner, not like boss or owner.

After Bollywood and Gl0b0h0m0s Liberandu-sickulars.... Brown Sipoy is next in the line of fire. Improve your attitude before you feel the heat.

Learn how to differentiate brown sepoys from well meaning NRIs who have healthy criticisms about India's failings and shortcomings. If you cannot differentiate, you will be given short shrift and short leash.

 

[Vishnugupt]

Learn how to differentiate brown sepoys from well meaning NRIs who have healthy criticisms about India's failings and shortcomings. If you cannot differentiate, you will be given short shrift and short leash.

Yes, I know how to differentiate. It's not first time anyone discussion about short coming of India.

If you generalise the situation and become adamant of discussing situation from narrow angle or single point of view then it's not criticism it's abuse or trolling.

He is giving unverified situations, events and illogical claims but we should consider it as facts?? Why??


Tell me where in India, doctors charge 5000 for 15 minutes consultation ???
Tell me when Indian train class system was based on caste ??
Tell me if India do not have a single decent and clean hotal ??

Tell me calling India Filthy Nation a constructive criticism??

If you think this is constructive criticism then tell me what is trolling or look down attitude??

One NRI brown Sipoy told me that in North India people do not report rape cases because of fear?? Do you consider it as truth?? Really

This is exactly I have told in previous post...

Learn, learn how to behave.

We often hear Brown Sipoys crying because they are finding difficult to do business in india. Actually it happens because Brown have got terrible crying attitude. It is not true completely. One of known person to me, has stated manufacturing cardiac stent device recently. UP governor him self given him permission letter with his own hand. Within year his factory started production of devices. He has paid Zero money for Babus.

I'm saying it for well being of NRIs. Stop crying, Indians now days are very familiar with western lifestyle. Indians knows NRIs are delivering Pizza in the west for servival. Stop showing shallowness.

 

[Blademaster]

Yes, I know how to differentiate. It's not first time anyone discussion about short coming of India.

If you generalise the situation and become adamant of discussing situation from narrow angle or single point of view then it's not criticism it's abuse or trolling.

He is giving unverified situations, events and illogical claims but we should consider it as facts?? Why??


Tell me where in India, doctors charge 5000 for 15 minutes consultation ???
Tell me when Indian train class system was based on caste ??
Tell me if India do not have a single decent and clean hotal ??

Tell me calling India Filthy Nation a constructive criticism??

If you think this is constructive criticism then tell me what is trolling or look down attitude??

One NRI brown Sipoy told me that in North India people do not report rape cases because of fear?? Do you consider it as truth?? Really

This is exactly I have told in previous post...

Learn, learn how to behave.

We often hear Brown Sipoys crying because they are finding difficult to do business in india. Actually it happens because Brown have got terrible crying attitude. It is not true completely. One of known person to me, has stated manufacturing cardiac stent device recently. UP governor him self given him permission letter with his own hand. Within year his factory started production of devices. He has paid Zero money for Babus.

I'm saying it for well being of NRIs. Stop crying, Indians now days are very familiar with western lifestyle. Indians knows NRIs are delivering Pizza in the west for servival. Stop showing shallowness.

Sorry I don't agree with you on some points.

FOr instance, when I visited India and Delhi. I expected the air of Delhi to be bad. But I had no idea how bad it was and I was still suffering it when I visited Jim Corbett Park. And I saw garbage literally everywhere. Just everywhere even in the rural areas. Compare the cleaniness of some African cities. So no, I don't agree with you. So moderate your posts with respect to NRIs criticizing some aspects of Indian society and life.

 

[Anants]

Given that they are NRIs, simply being 'Indian' does not grant anyone the privilege to look down upon the condition of India and Indians. National identity comes with responsibility, not just entitlement. If you perceive areas where India needs improvement, it’s far more impactful to bring thoughtful perspectives and contribute towards tangible change within the country. Merely sending money from abroad does not solve systemic issues—it takes active engagement, innovation, and effort. Constructive action always speaks louder than armchair criticism.

A fitting analogy would be that of a city-born boy who occasionally visits his paternal village. On these visits, he quickly becomes critical of the village’s infrastructure and traditional way of life. He sneers at the sight of cows and buffaloes roaming freely, grimaces at the use of cow dung cakes for fuel, and mocks the practice of using its byproducts to plaster walls and floors. He claims that, since his paternal roots lie in the village, he has every right to judge and criticize his cousins' way of life. To add to his sense of entitlement, he points out that his father sends money to the family back home, believing this financial contribution justifies his disparagement.

Similarly, for NRIs, it’s easy to critique from afar while enjoying the comforts and systems of a different country. But real patriotism lies in recognizing that change requires effort, collaboration, and a respectful understanding of the unique challenges on the ground. Offering constructive suggestions, engaging with local communities, and being part of initiatives that drive development are far more effective than simply commenting from a distance. Involvement, not condescension, is the path to progress.

 

[Vishnugupt]

Sorry I don't agree with you on some points.

FOr instance, when I visited India and Delhi. I expected the air of Delhi to be bad. But I had no idea how bad it was and I was still suffering it when I visited Jim Corbett Park. And I saw garbage literally everywhere. Just everywhere even in the rural areas. Compare the cleaniness of some African cities. So no, I don't agree with you. So moderate your posts with respect to NRIs criticizing some aspects of Indian society and life.

So when did I disagree with what you are saying?? Whatever you said is true.

Tell me where in India, doctors charge 5000 for 15 minutes consultation ???
Tell me when Indian train class system was based on caste ??
Tell me if India do not have a single decent and clean hotal ??

Tell me calling India Filthy Nation a constructive criticism??

If you think this is constructive criticism then tell me what is trolling or look down attitude??

One NRI brown Sipoy told me that in North India people do not report rape cases because of fear?? Do you consider it as truth?? Really

What about this above??? Are you agree with it??? You have any words for him??
Why on the earth I have to listen this BS??? Because Brown Sipoy are privileged??

Tell me??

 

[Vishnugupt]

Given that they are NRIs, simply being 'Indian' does not grant anyone the privilege to look down upon the condition of India and Indians. National identity comes with responsibility, not just entitlement. If you perceive areas where India needs improvement, it’s far more impactful to bring thoughtful perspectives and contribute towards tangible change within the country. Merely sending money from abroad does not solve systemic issues—it takes active engagement, innovation, and effort. Constructive action always speaks louder than armchair criticism.

A fitting analogy would be that of a city-born boy who occasionally visits his paternal village. On these visits, he quickly becomes critical of the village’s infrastructure and traditional way of life. He sneers at the sight of cows and buffaloes roaming freely, grimaces at the use of cow dung cakes for fuel, and mocks the practice of using its byproducts to plaster walls and floors. He claims that, since his paternal roots lie in the village, he has every right to judge and criticize his cousins' way of life. To add to his sense of entitlement, he points out that his father sends money to the family back home, believing this financial contribution justifies his disparagement.

Similarly, for NRIs, it’s easy to critique from afar while enjoying the comforts and systems of a different country. But real patriotism lies in recognizing that change requires effort, collaboration, and a respectful understanding of the unique challenges on the ground. Offering constructive suggestions, engaging with local communities, and being part of initiatives that drive development are far more effective than simply commenting from a distance. Involvement, not condescension, is the path to progress.

Whatever you said is called "Thankless people or selfishness.

NRIs are not indian. Let it be clear.
Most of NRIs are thankless people for whatever India has provided them.

They got education from Indian institutes and get job in foreign due to India's reputation. And now they have only bad things to say about India.

NRI is not doing anything for India, whatever they are doing is for their own benefit. If NRI investing in India it is just because they see opportunities in India.