Indian Small Arms and Weapons

[vampyrbladez]

SLR variants in service with CAPF and rear echelon Army units

SLR L1A1, 1C

 

[AbRaj]

View: https://youtube.com/shorts/cq_lbBGpjqA?si=_-HFQXkIBoDce7gF

 

[Alby]

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Bro i meant any pic other than this one.I had seen this one already

 

[VictorDelta4]

Bro i too read from newspaper only. These ones will be to replace SLRs or 1960s AKMs.Commandos prefer older Akms over Ghatak or Tar .
Don’t know why it costs that much for buying Ak203 as we are buying from a govt firm. Yesterday i was trying to figure out how IPS officers is going to make money out of this procurement

Yeah someone's definitely buying a new villa somewhere in the serene backwaters of kerala

 

[Alby]

Thats called a functional gucci gun

 

[VictorDelta4]

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Thats called a functional gucci gun

Someone get SSS to paint their guns in FDE as well!

 

[vampyrbladez]

I think full auto 7.62x51 mm fire was considered wasteful and inaccurate by the Indian Army which thought that a semi auto SLR would only be fired prone or with cover at an enemy from distance.

The BREN 1B was deemed to be sufficient for a SAW/LMG role and an SLR 1C full auto was considered redundant unless for LRP/Ghatak units (in frame).

The design was adopted sparingly to possibly provide a solution for mechanized units to fire from BMP firing ports while maneuvering since a BREN may have been too bulky and cumbersome in a constrained space.

For any close quarters combat, the 9x19mm 1A1 Carbine was deemed sufficient until the Indian Army came face to face with 7.62x39 mm AKs during IPKF (Sri Lanka) and Kashmir Insurgency at which point they became fixated upon the AK and finally in 2019 decided that the AK 203 would be the standard rifle.

I found this interesting picture of the SLR 1C (auto) in use with Mechanized Infantry during IPKF from BMP-1s.

 

[spadex]

My meme sucks i know, you can abuse me here



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[spadex]

Well


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[spadex]

Are we that down bad that we are using Chinese ak copies for sf units?

As far as clones goes... Chinese ak 56 is superior than romanian pm md 90 amd 63s we generally used. That being said ak 103 modified (or 203 whatever you want to call it) is better than both of them

 

[Zoid Raptor]

i heard each bullet costs 56 rupees , that way too much ig. that's why we rarely use live ammos in training.

Is this price for FMJ or hollow point?
Here in the US, you can get 9mm FMJ rounds for ~$0.20 each, a bit lower at gun shows where they usually offer deals when bought in bulk while 5.56 FMJ is usually ~$0.40 ea...hollow point is a bit more expensive but I don't see any reason why one would need hollow point for training.



In this site, you can find 9mm for <10¢ and 5.56mm for <30¢ a round
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/9mm-luger


Given the demand for ammo in Indian military units, police and CAPFs both for training and live ops...they should be able to make it at a relatively lower cost given our artillery projectiles cost 1/10th the price of their western counterparts

 

[Alby]

As far as clones goes... Chinese ak 56 is superior than romanian pm md 90 amd 63s we generally used. That being said ak 103 modified (or 203 whatever you want to call it) is better than both of them

Disagree with your statement.Even the early pattern Chinese Aks are nowhere near Romanian Pm90s.

 

[johny_baba]

now even russian made AK-203 are coming with this ambidextrous thumb operated fire selector + moving dust cover (on any fire mode) - we should get any future mass production of our local AK-203 in Amethi factory done in this manner too, after all soldiers using INSAS and SIG-716I would benefit a lot from common training here
I know our guys rejected russian pattern folding + adjustable length buttstock and opted for AK-74M pattern full sized side folding buttstock, whatever that's still acceptable compromise but for future it's must to switch to standard fire selector thing when now we have a chance for going ahead with it

 

[VictorDelta4]

but for future it's must to switch to standard fire selector thing when now we have a chance for going ahead with it

We can only dream of such foresightedness from the policymakers!

 

[Yuyutsu]

Is this price for FMJ or hollow point?

don't know this much about bullets. . i was quoting normal INSAS 5.56 bullet price.

 

[VictorDelta4]

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[Corvus Splendens]

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now even russian made AK-203 are coming with this ambidextrous thumb operated fire selector + moving dust cover (on any fire mode) - we should get any future mass production of our local AK-203 in Amethi factory done in this manner too, after all soldiers using INSAS and SIG-716I would benefit a lot from common training here
I know our guys rejected russian pattern folding + adjustable length buttstock and opted for AK-74M pattern full sized side folding buttstock, whatever that's still acceptable compromise but for future it's must to switch to standard fire selector thing when now we have a chance for going ahead with it

This is India sir. There will be an entire new tender, CAG will go apeshit for "altering the deal again", more red tapes, more delays because even a simple mod like this needs to be renegotiated in the presence of ancestral spirits under a full moon etc etc.

 

[Zoid Raptor]

don't know this much about bullets. . i was quoting normal INSAS 5.56 bullet price.

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Situations like these is where HPBT plays a difference over ball/FMJ. The later is hardly used in live ops and is mostly reserved for training purposes due to it's low price while HPBT is far more precise with superior ballistic performance due to higher ballistic coefficients, better aerodynamics resulting in slower velocity decay, less wind drift and lesser drop at long range.

HPBT is the norm for snipers due to their long-range precision since it stays supersonic upto ~1500 yards with better stability thru transonic phase along with controlled expansion on impact while FMJ transitions to subsonic at ~1000 yards risking destabilization along with limited expansion & possible over-penetration on impact (which isn't ideal for soft target effectiveness)

I'm sure CRPF officials might've been supplied with Jewish along with kickbacks to get SSS disqualified

 

[Baseplate]

Situations like these is where HPBT plays a difference over ball/FMJ. The later is hardly used in live ops and is mostly reserved for training purposes due to it's low price while HPBT is far more precise with superior ballistic performance due to higher ballistic coefficients, better aerodynamics resulting in slower velocity decay, less wind drift and lesser drop at long range.

HPBT is the norm for snipers due to their long-range precision since it stays supersonic upto ~1500 yards with better stability thru transonic phase along with controlled expansion on impact while FMJ transitions to subsonic at ~1000 yards risking destabilization along with limited expansion & possible over-penetration on impact (which isn't ideal for soft target effectiveness)

I'm sure CRPF officials might've been supplied with Jewish along with kickbacks to get SSS disqualified

HPBT custom loads will also display some level of discrepancy in performance ?

 

[vampyrbladez]

Indian VDC units undergoing training with L1A1 SLR.