Indian Special Forces

[Mr.Evil]

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What magnifier is this?

Mepro MX3

 

[Jedi Operator]

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Yeah he usually went overboard with his criticism of other units, however he seemed to have completely ignored the fact that those units have operated in the entire world and his experience is limited to Indian border. He should know better!

him being in Special Group too, I wonder if he only operated close to Indian border. Even in his first interview before going on the Bisleri story he said 'it's nothing against the SEALs, they are fantastic' he said that GSG-9, SAS etc have their own style of operating and are very good. Understand it was just his way of speaking that time, he hasnt made any such claims after that. He infact said in an interview that SF around the world, they dont compare they learn from each other's experience. They learn to be more combat efficient.
He is the jai ho gang's poster boy by mistake and those chapris have made similar edits about Cdr Vijay Rawat as well. They are trolls understand this

 

[Jedi Operator]

Keep in mind. The killers of wandhama massacare were eliminated by a regular infantry battalion within two months. These militants weren’t just your madrasa chaps these were extremely seasoned foreign operatives. That same infantry battalion was the first to enter Sopore and completely wipe the Hizbul from the area and force it to retreate into the rural areas.

Major Jacob no offense overrates the paras completely. No doubt they are good but there are infantry battalions whose officers achieved splendid victories and they don’t go on podcasts or even write about their oeprations for some odd reason. In 2001 General GD bakshi scored 54 kills in Kishtwar with just two battalions. Keep in mind in early 2000s Kishtwar was basically handpicked by isi to commence an ethnic cleasbing.

I can post about such oeprations and citations from them that will make you question if current Paras standards are even on par with 90s RR/infantry, but for the sake of morale i rather not.

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Boss there's no doubt that these guys were just a notch above anyone else today. The infantry and SF we had in 1990s was better trained than what he have today.

 

[Arad Operator]

him being in Special Group too, I wonder if he only operated close to Indian border

Well that's how it is, why anyone in SG would operate far away from Indian Border? They're not some Green Beret like SF unit, not even close! Their main role is to feed accurate INT to the ones who will eventually neutralize the threat.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Boss there's no doubt that these guys were just a notch above anyone else today. The infantry and SF we had in 1990s was better trained than what he have today.

Better trained in relation to the other world.

But what really set the stage for successful operations was planning planning planning. Taking initiative wether it meant killing paki regulars, developing humint, and properly utilizing SOF.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

him being in Special Group too, I wonder if he only operated close to Indian border. Even in his first interview before going on the Bisleri story he said 'it's nothing against the SEALs, they are fantastic' he said that GSG-9, SAS etc have their own style of operating and are very good. Understand it was just his way of speaking that time, he hasnt made any such claims after that. He infact said in an interview that SF around the world, they dont compare they learn from each other's experience. They learn to be more combat efficient.
He is the jai ho gang's poster boy by mistake and those chapris have made similar edits about Cdr Vijay Rawat as well. They are trolls understand this

I’m 90% sure Paras and the indian army drink from bisleri as well if they aren’t drinking from the fresh rivers and lakes of kashmir. I highly doubt the indian government would risk change of its troops getting water poisoning. Everytime when i went to india im only allowed to drink either filtered (from a bisleri jug) water or bisleri water.

 

[Airborne22]

Better trained in relation to the other world.

But what really set the stage for successful operations was planning planning planning. Taking initiative wether it meant killing paki regulars, developing humint, and properly utilizing SOF.

Well the same officers involved in those ops are at gernail ranks today. What went wrong ?

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Well the same officers involved in those ops are at gernail ranks today. What went wrong ?

Not really. Most of them are retired now. The current gernails are from that era yes but seldom actually took part in coin

 

[Jedi Operator]

Well the same officers involved in those ops are at gernail ranks today. What went wrong ?

officers involved in this ops were not career officers they were not guys who would go behind the desk and please someone's ego. they would lead from the front and no matter what rank they would always be in the ops area with their men.
For example Lt Col Dalvir Singh. He commanded 10 Para SF, the first commanding officer of 52 Special Action Group of the NSG, and commanded Kilo Force of the Rashtriya Rifles
He is a vetran of
- Indo-Pakistani War of 1971
- NSG's Operation Black Thunder
- Special Operation Indian intervention in the Sri Lankan Civil War
- OP Rakshak
- 2001–02 India–Pakistan standoff (Operation Parakram)

The dude suffered from asthama thoughout his life. Dalvir Singh famously earned the nickname "Saint Soldier" in Sri Lanka; a name given by LTTE, as he was as humble as a saint in behaviour yet ferocious in battle, like a true soldier. Famous for his humility, he would eat all three meals of the day with his soldiers, every single day in their kitchen

He was the first to enter Sri Lanka and the last to leave

He served as the Director General (Special Ops), Division Commander in OP Rakshak & OP Parakram.

Today whatever Kilo force is, is because of him, he was with them since 1990s to 2001

After retirement he raised Thar Falcons, an anti-terror police unit, now known as Emergency Response Team (ERT) which I am sure is a proper SWAT like team not some bollywood commandoooo jackshit

These were the kind of officers you had back then

 

[KumaoniReborn]

officers involved in this ops were not career officers they were not guys who would go behind the desk and please someone's ego. they would lead from the front and no matter what rank they would always be in the ops area with their men.
For example Lt Col Dalvir Singh. He commanded 10 Para SF, the first commanding officer of 52 Special Action Group of the NSG, and commanded Kilo Force of the Rashtriya Rifles
He is a vetran of
- Indo-Pakistani War of 1971
- NSG's Operation Black Thunder
- Special Operation Indian intervention in the Sri Lankan Civil War
- OP Rakshak
- 2001–02 India–Pakistan standoff (Operation Parakram)

The dude suffered from asthama thoughout his life. Dalvir Singh famously earned the nickname "Saint Soldier" in Sri Lanka; a name given by LTTE, as he was as humble as a saint in behaviour yet ferocious in battle, like a true soldier. Famous for his humility, he would eat all three meals of the day with his soldiers, every single day in their kitchen

He was the first to enter Sri Lanka and the last to leave

He served as the Director General (Special Ops), Division Commander in OP Rakshak & OP Parakram.

Today whatever Kilo force is, is because of him, he was with them since 1990s to 2001

After retirement he raised Thar Falcons, an anti-terror police unit, now known as Emergency Response Team (ERT) which I am sure is a proper SWAT like team not some bollywood commandoooo jackshit

These were the kind of officers you had back then

One more exmaple. Major Gen JBS Yadava. Vir Chakra. 65, 71, IPkf war veteran. His tenure was Maj Gen in ganderbal nearly wiped out harkat ul ansar in a. month.

 

[Airborne22]

One more exmaple. Major Gen JBS Yadava. Vir Chakra. 65, 71, IPkf war veteran. His tenure was Maj Gen in ganderbal nearly wiped out harkat ul ansar in a. month.

Bro I really want you to make a seperate non discussion thread on op rakshak. It'd feel like a breath of fresh air since the Internet is saturated with nonsense edits and these stories are limited to 100-word citations.

 

[Arad Operator]

The 'V' Commando badge!

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Bro I really want you to make a seperate non discussion thread on op rakshak. It'd feel like a breath of fresh air since the Internet is saturated with nonsense edits and these stories are limited to 100-word citations.

I have limited resources myself. All of what i know is from interviews, news articles by the greatest war correspondent of all time, Sir Vikram Jit Singh, @COLDHEARTED AVIATORs old posts, and some books which give a very limited account as well as facebook posts and articles of veterans.

A lot of the operations are undisclosed for some reason. For eg reger to this post. The former Co Of 13 Kumaon (Rezang La Paltan or the Rewari Lions), gives the entire kill tally but won’t disclose his most succseful operation. Boils my blood that hardly any literature exists.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

officers involved in this ops were not career officers they were not guys who would go behind the desk and please someone's ego. they would lead from the front and no matter what rank they would always be in the ops area with their men.
For example Lt Col Dalvir Singh. He commanded 10 Para SF, the first commanding officer of 52 Special Action Group of the NSG, and commanded Kilo Force of the Rashtriya Rifles
He is a vetran of
- Indo-Pakistani War of 1971
- NSG's Operation Black Thunder
- Special Operation Indian intervention in the Sri Lankan Civil War
- OP Rakshak
- 2001–02 India–Pakistan standoff (Operation Parakram)

The dude suffered from asthama thoughout his life. Dalvir Singh famously earned the nickname "Saint Soldier" in Sri Lanka; a name given by LTTE, as he was as humble as a saint in behaviour yet ferocious in battle, like a true soldier. Famous for his humility, he would eat all three meals of the day with his soldiers, every single day in their kitchen

He was the first to enter Sri Lanka and the last to leave

He served as the Director General (Special Ops), Division Commander in OP Rakshak & OP Parakram.

Today whatever Kilo force is, is because of him, he was with them since 1990s to 2001

After retirement he raised Thar Falcons, an anti-terror police unit, now known as Emergency Response Team (ERT) which I am sure is a proper SWAT like team not some bollywood commandoooo jackshit

These were the kind of officers you had back then

I truly feel like we will need a humilation. History has proven that the IA will gets its shit together after a humiliation and literally transform itself

China was a military humiliation. We came back and had the strongest army in asia in 70s to the point we were training middle east.

LTTE fiasco was a strategic humiliation. We came back and learned how to properly fight urban guerillas in Kashmir who were just on the standard of LTTE in the 90s (maybe slightly below).

IMO the recent events have been humilatinf enoufh. 12 army soldiers list in one month in a bloody low level insurgency is absolutely humiliating. I’d argue that the terrorists are winning the conflict now on the grounds. But all is not lost yet. We had our moments this year too, We wiped out a good portion of PAFF kinetic leadership to where Kashmir Tigers were formed.

I’d say this year is playing out how the indian conflict in lanka played out.

 

[Jedi Operator]

I truly feel like we will need a humilation. History has proven that the IA will gets its shit together after a humiliation and literally transform itself

China was a military humiliation. We came back and had the strongest army in asia in 70s to the point we were training middle east.

LTTE fiasco was a strategic humiliation. We came back and learned how to properly fight urban guerillas in Kashmir who were just on the standard of LTTE in the 90s (maybe slightly below).

IMO the recent events have been humilatinf enoufh. 12 army soldiers list in one month in a bloody low level insurgency is absolutely humiliating. I’d argue that the terrorists are winning the conflict now on the grounds. But all is not lost yet. We had our moments this year too, We wiped out a good portion of PAFF kinetic leadership to where Kashmir Tigers were formed.

I’d say this year is playing out how the indian conflict in lanka played out.

I very well like your analogy, it's suprizing that Kargil and 26/11 were not taken as a humilation for the army cause they were systematic faliures. Though we did create TSD after 26/11.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Well.....well....well

 

[Airborne22]

I very well like your analogy, it's suprizing that Kargil and 26/11 were not taken as a humilation for the army cause they were systematic faliures. Though we did create TSD after 26/11.

The most recent thing I can think of is the establishment of proper sniper school and inclusion of sniper teams in W/E of Infantry Regiments post 2017-19 when JKP snipers were called in to fill the gaps in LC as only Army SF had some proper snipers while the infantry was having only marksmen with dragunovs and occasionally bunker buster rifles here and there.

 

[Arad Operator]

Well.....well....well

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[KumaoniReborn]

I very well like your analogy, it's suprizing that Kargil and 26/11 were not taken as a humilation for the army cause they were systematic faliures. Though we did create TSD after 26/11.

Kargil wasn’t treated as a military failure, because well it wasn’t. Kargil IMO was objectively one of the best limited conflicts fought by india.

The humiliation of kargil stems from more what happened inside the sextor itself. Brigade commanders withheld intrusion information, etc.

But rest assured, I cannot blame the army for not expecting pakistani incursions. IB and RAW warned the army of Mujahideen and insurgents, not a disciplined military.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Well.....well....well

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A lot of officers read it.

One of my own relative who is a friend of Brig Shekhawant and that guy if you guys remember who had LTTEs blood combat belt also read it.

I was in my teens when i saw him read it and i asked him why...he said its to analyse him as a military leader.