Indian Special Forces

[Mupper2]

DJ maybe have been a good Tier 1 operator, but he is also a Grade A cunt!

Contrast with Scouse Elliot, SAS to school teacher..
View: https://youtu.be/aXb609thC-g?si=TgXKC-_Y3KYRdM0i

 

[Airborne22]

havent read much primary sources about LTTE, only Maj Abhay Sapru's book on it and the other one which was on Jocko Podcast 7 too "Assignment Jaffna".
By the way Richard Marcinko's Domino Theory has a chapter explaining LTTE also, very accurate tbh
I have some Tamil friends, they'd know this probably (no pun intended)

Ive read few pages of Domino theory, I occasionally think about special squadron zero Recent citation of a Sarsawa based Airforce Heptr Unit pilot sort of overlaps with the op mentioned in the book.

 

[RDXChauhan]

What magnifier is this?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Major Vivek Jacob wasn't any less of a cocky himself in his initial videos and interviews... shit like ghost operators, hum hai shikhari, bas ek ak dedo gave content for low iq video creators to make pathetic edits of him to fool low iq masses. Basically these guys are so out of normal life while fighting terrorism for decades, they forget how a normal human interacts but its not always compulsory. Shivendra sir OTOH was very composed and well mannered right from his starting days on interviews

There are way many more officers who have done things Major Jacob hasn't even seen.


There are Army officers who captured Siachen with bare minimal..

There are officers who in Kargil did efforts of PVC and got a COAS commendation..

There are officers who killed so many terrorists in Kashmir that Let sent terorists in Dehradun to assasinate them in their next posting..

There are officers who crosssed 15 km into Tibet and took photos of PLA..

There are officers who raised RR which is what it is now..

There are officers who took down Paki army regulars at close range not some 19 year old FB jehadi..

And those officers are not even known.

But some people like dehati dialoguebazi without any logic because its fuel to create chapri type FB reel with Pheeeling Proud or Thor like eyes!!

 

[Noob]

There are way many more officers who have done things Major Jacob hasn't even seen.


There are Army officers who captured Siachen with bare minimal..

There are officers who in Kargil did efforts of PVC and got a COAS commendation..

There are officers who killed so many terrorists in Kashmir that Let sent terorists in Dehradun to assasinate them in their next posting..

There are officers who crosssed 15 km into Tibet and took photos of PLA..

There are officers who raised RR which is what it is now..

There are officers who took down Paki army regulars at close range not some 19 year old FB jehadi..

And those officers are not even known.

But some people like dehati dialoguebazi without any logic because its fuel to create chapri type FB reel with Pheeeling Proud or Thor like eyes!!

That just comes with profession brother he himself has seen and done alot even in G his words shouldn't have been taken that way just listen to his recent podcasts you will understand yourself as for audiance they are always crap in every country we are just in masses so we stick out like sore thumb

 

[Chandra]

There are way many more officers who have done things Major Jacob hasn't even seen.


There are Army officers who captured Siachen with bare minimal..

There are officers who in Kargil did efforts of PVC and got a COAS commendation..

There are officers who killed so many terrorists in Kashmir that Let sent terorists in Dehradun to assasinate them in their next posting..

There are officers who crosssed 15 km into Tibet and took photos of PLA..

There are officers who raised RR which is what it is now..

There are officers who took down Paki army regulars at close range not some 19 year old FB jehadi..

And those officers are not even known.

But some people like dehati dialoguebazi without any logic because its fuel to create chapri type FB reel with Pheeeling Proud or Thor like eyes!!

But does it take anything away from Major Jacob ?

A lot of people here really didn't like it when he said US SF called in Helicopters to supply them with Bisleri water in the middle of a jungle, when they were there drinking from a ditch. I get it.

We may not learn anything technical or worth while about Para SF from Major Jacob's incessant chest thumping, but it sure is entertaining can't deny that.

I like listening to Col. Rajeev Bharwan too. I don't know what people here think about him.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

That just comes with profession brother he himself has seen and done alot even in G his words shouldn't have been taken that way just listen to his recent podcasts you will understand yourself as for audiance they are always crap in every country we are just in masses so we stick out like sore thumb

There is a RR officer who in one tenure has more kills than Major Jacob and his entire team in years.

In the 90s there was a bloody nallah where infiltration used to happen in double digits every week.

This particular unit got the smell from a local.

They used to kill terrorist in double digits every month.

I dont know how much the story of Para being ghost is true by Maj Jacob as i find people with such loose mouth hard to trust but a senior officer told me that when that officer was interoggating the terorists a terrorist said are u that guy and this officer asked him how do you know and he was like we were told in training camp about u.

RR CO and coy commanders were known in POK back then like Major Shukla is known now.

So the story is...

He got transferred to Dehradun and the Let sent terrorist in Dehradun to kill him..2 terrorists.

So, i dont know any big shot than him in any Para SF till now...no one is so important for terrorist that they would send assassins for an officer.

This is just a small example of what RR was in 90s.

I am all ok with officers being treated like untouchable Gods in this country in podcasts

But as a officer you have a responsibility..you cant make fun of Seals coz they drink Bisleri.

Their machinery has the oil to provide Burger King at the last line ..ours dont!!

You need to walk 100 kms coz you have no machinery..they have stealth helos for that!

You operate in daylight and they kill in darkness!

Thats how it is!

Instead of being arrogant about machoism had officers taken stand about modernisation we would have saved some lives.

If we are such a shikari why have we been pinned down in 2 ops?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

But does it take anything away from Major Jacob ?

A lot of people here really didn't like it when he said US SF called in Helicopters to supply them with Bisleri water in the middle of a jungle, when they were there drinking from a ditch. I get it.

We may not learn anything technical or worth while about Para SF from Major Jacob's incessant chest thumping, but it sure is entertaining can't deny that.

I like listening to Col. Rajeev Bharwan too. I don't know what people here think about him.

Full respect to anyone who serves the nation but if you are so brave why dont you talk after retirement about issues like parachutes and modernisation?

 

[Chandra]

There is a RR officer who in one tenure has more kills than Major Jacob and his entire team in years.

In the 90s there was a bloody nallah where infiltration used to happen in double digits every week.

This particular unit got the smell from a local.

They used to kill terrorist in double digits every month.

I dont know how much the story of Para being ghost is true by Maj Jacob as i find people with such loose mouth hard to trust but a senior officer told me that when that officer was interoggating the terorists a terrorist said are u that guy and this officer asked him how do you know and he was like we were told in training camp about u.

RR CO and coy commanders were known in POK back then like Major Shukla is known now.

So the story is...

He got transferred to Dehradun and the Let sent terrorist in Dehradun to kill him..2 terrorists.

So, i dont know any big shot than him in any Para SF till now...no one is so important for terrorist that they would send assassins for an officer.

This is just a small example of what RR was in 90s.

I am all ok with officers being treated like untouchable Gods in this country in podcasts

But as a officer you have a responsibility..you cant make fun of Seals coz they drink Bisleri.

Their machinery has the oil to provide Burger King at the last line ..ours dont!!

You need to walk 100 kms coz you have no machinery..they have stealth helos for that!

You operate in daylight and they kill in darkness!

Thats how it is!

Instead of being arrogant about machoism had officers taken stand about modernisation we would have saved some lives.

If we are such a shikari why have we been pinned down in 2 ops?

I actually don't disagree with you but I have a point.

When the Paras carry out their primary mandate of cross-border raids on terror launch pads or some terror hideouts. The operation generally starts at mid night or early dawn before sun rise isn't it.

But when they are raiding a fedayeen square in a civilian area or in dense forest where the terrorists have made contact. They tend to wait for the 1st light.

I do think if Paras were operating in arid mountainous region where their night time view wasn't hindered to a few metres by lush jungle foliage. Night time operations would have been much more often with higher success rate.

Nevertheless it is what it is.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I actually don't disagree with you but I have a point.

When the Paras carry out their primary mandate of cross-border raids on terror launch pads or some terror hideouts. The operation generally starts in the mid night or early dawn before sun rise isn't it.

But when they are raiding a fedayeen square in some locality or in dense forest where they terrorists have made contact. They tend to wait for the 1st light.

I do think if Paras were operating in arid mountainous region where their night time view wasn't hindered to a few metres by lush jungle foliage. Night time operation would have been much more often with higher success rate.

Nevertheless it is what it is.

They move in night..fire in Day!(launch pad ops)

All ops started early morning around 4-4:30 and finished by 6:30

Timing might vary but most of the ops use first light.

 

[Chandra]

They move in night..fire in Day!(launch pad ops)

All ops started early morning around 4-4:30 and finished by 6:30

Timing might vary but most of the ops use first light.

A bit off topic but I do think a drone swarm like this can really help the Paras in the 2nd type of situation I talked about. In reducing the chances of casualties.

View: https://youtu.be/P9ZbipO8vxM?si=ljBBWIrtj1M957Vc
The Indian version of these swarm drones is already been working on by NewSpaceResearch a bit less refined though. But I think they can get there over time.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

A bit off topic but I do think a drone swarm like this can really help the Paras in the 2nd type of situation I talked about. To reduce the chances of casualties.

View: https://youtu.be/P9ZbipO8vxM?si=ljBBWIrtj1M957Vc
The Indian version of these swarm drones is already been working on by NewSpaceResearch a bit less refined though. But with I think they can get there.

They are buying it..the news is out.

 

[VictorDelta4]

Their machinery has the oil to provide Burger King at the last line ..ours dont!!

Yeah he usually went overboard with his criticism of other units, however he seemed to have completely ignored the fact that those units have operated in the entire world and his experience is limited to Indian border. He should know better!

 

[KumaoniReborn]

The worse thing is both got wiped on exactly the same trap..

Indians charge like a mad bull...bait and kill!

Just desperation for medals and underestimating of the enemy.

We need to be more serious and stop coping.

We aren’t facing some rundown isis militia men who have mercs serving on pay, we are facing groups of highly dedicated seasoned operatives who are leading and training as well as operating in groups themslves. They have experience in both the Soviet Afghan war (few groups like Lashkar and Harkat were formed due to this) and US-Taliban war. These guys know how to shoot, drill, etx.

These aren’t some burhan wani type isis militants. That phase ended years back. These are bloody operatives we are up against. We need to be waaay more conscious of what intel we trust as these guys have proven they can wipe out convoys and get away quickly.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

There is a RR officer who in one tenure has more kills than Major Jacob and his entire team in years.

In the 90s there was a bloody nallah where infiltration used to happen in double digits every week.

This particular unit got the smell from a local.

They used to kill terrorist in double digits every month.

I dont know how much the story of Para being ghost is true by Maj Jacob as i find people with such loose mouth hard to trust but a senior officer told me that when that officer was interoggating the terorists a terrorist said are u that guy and this officer asked him how do you know and he was like we were told in training camp about u.

RR CO and coy commanders were known in POK back then like Major Shukla is known now.

So the story is...

He got transferred to Dehradun and the Let sent terrorist in Dehradun to kill him..2 terrorists.

So, i dont know any big shot than him in any Para SF till now...no one is so important for terrorist that they would send assassins for an officer.

This is just a small example of what RR was in 90s.

I am all ok with officers being treated like untouchable Gods in this country in podcasts

But as a officer you have a responsibility..you cant make fun of Seals coz they drink Bisleri.

Their machinery has the oil to provide Burger King at the last line ..ours dont!!

You need to walk 100 kms coz you have no machinery..they have stealth helos for that!

You operate in daylight and they kill in darkness!

Thats how it is!

Instead of being arrogant about machoism had officers taken stand about modernisation we would have saved some lives.

If we are such a shikari why have we been pinned down in 2 ops?

Keep in mind. The killers of wandhama massacare were eliminated by a regular infantry battalion within two months. These militants weren’t just your madrasa chaps these were extremely seasoned foreign operatives. That same infantry battalion was the first to enter Sopore and completely wipe the Hizbul from the area and force it to retreate into the rural areas.

Major Jacob no offense overrates the paras completely. No doubt they are good but there are infantry battalions whose officers achieved splendid victories and they don’t go on podcasts or even write about their oeprations for some odd reason. In 2001 General GD bakshi scored 54 kills in Kishtwar with just two battalions. Keep in mind in early 2000s Kishtwar was basically handpicked by isi to commence an ethnic cleasbing.

I can post about such oeprations and citations from them that will make you question if current Paras standards are even on par with 90s RR/infantry, but for the sake of morale i rather not.

This is how infantry units would end their tenures back in the 90s

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Say whatever you want man but we weren't fighting any less of a special force ourselves.. LTTE was the closest insurgent group to a tier 1 SOF. 1200 niggas brought hell on our forces. We should had hired them after the war ;-;

They were guerillas not special forces. Huge difference. Vast majority of casualties on our end were because of piss poor planning and the mines. Keep in mind mr Rahul Gandhi thought that the indian army should be able to fight a guerilla war with CRPF tier equipment in the battalions. Also there were far more than 1,200 ltte fighters lol if anything it grew after battle of Jaffna.

We should have prepared much better. It will make your blood boil when you realize that officers were engaging in golf tournaments two days before being sent down to fight one of the most violent insurgent groups to ever be seen. No SOPs no nothing just bash on regardless!

And we paid a heavy price. We did have our moments but we gave them waaay too many moments.

 

[KumaoniReborn]

Forget officers.

I have a story of this young soldier who was 20 MAX who chased down three dreaded terrorists single handedly in Badgam back in December 2000. These were foreign Lashkar operatives not the 20 year old college dropouts who can’t even hold a gun properly that.

I have a story of this one soldier who literally beat to death 3 terrorists with his bare hands and knife and got ashok Chakra.

I have heard stories from RR guys back in the 90s in youtube on how they used to go into encounters every single day.

There were officers who led their battalions in waits deep snow to eliminate ISI operatives, SSG vets, and Afghan war Veterans. There are officers even from 1971 who once went. miles and miles deep into Pakistani territory with one company and one platoon held an entire brigade and even almost killed a Paki Brigadier in the progress. A single Para Battalion apprehended a battalion worth of NSCN IM militants back in ‘97. Nine of these officers and soldiers go on podcasts and brag about bisleri this bisleri that. Even Major Gaurav Aryas unit saw regular combat when he was posted in the LoC back in late 90s.

Yet the average indian defense enthusiast has zero idea about these people let alone the kind of operations that were done back then and how violent RR was and how they alongside the infantry defeated a literal ethnic cleansing in Kishtwar Doda. Very sad and heartbreaking to me tbh.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Ive read few pages of Domino theory, I occasionally think about special squadron zero Recent citation of a Sarsawa based Airforce Heptr Unit pilot sort of overlaps with the op mentioned in the book.

haina lol, Special Squadron Zero had MARCOS too, attached for specific support roles. That too I am willing to belive. There have been interviews by Cdr Vijay and Sniper Girish who spoke about how MARCOS did alot of red team / blue team training missions and that it is one of their mandates too, failry recently after 26/11

 

[Jedi Operator]

There are way many more officers who have done things Major Jacob hasn't even seen.


There are Army officers who captured Siachen with bare minimal..

There are officers who in Kargil did efforts of PVC and got a COAS commendation..

There are officers who killed so many terrorists in Kashmir that Let sent terorists in Dehradun to assasinate them in their next posting..

There are officers who crosssed 15 km into Tibet and took photos of PLA..

There are officers who raised RR which is what it is now..

There are officers who took down Paki army regulars at close range not some 19 year old FB jehadi..

And those officers are not even known.

But some people like dehati dialoguebazi without any logic because its fuel to create chapri type FB reel with Pheeeling Proud or Thor like eyes!!

Major Jacob never boasted about himself personally. He admires his buddies more than anything else and that is seen in all his interviews. Plus he himself hates those reels, not that he would have ever mentioned it but if he did like those reels he'd post them on his story like Maj Samar Toor does or keep talking like this in the rest of his interviews. I just find your judgment of Maj Jacob based on your perception from 1 interview that he did, the very first one. Hence I can't take your points seriously.

 

[Jedi Operator]

Full respect to anyone who serves the nation but if you are so brave why dont you talk after retirement about issues like parachutes and modernisation?

he did speak about parachute malfunctions, he spoke about the 'chalta hai attitude' we have there. Also be it Cap Albert Louis, be it Maj Avinash Sahani, they are direct opposites to Maj Jacob from their perceptions in interviews. Yet they both worked with him and had good things to say about him as an operator