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Was searching for GIGN loadout videos and came across this:-


View: https://youtu.be/-ZONfdFP_m0?si=bBo5-NhLVJzQ1o1y

51 SAG refining heli-borne sniper skills...:D

Shooting from something not too much smaller than a freaking chinook

I do respect that NSG actually has some capabilities unique to them in India and they don’t just sit around calling themselves commandos and thinking this will be enough to win the day but their execution is so-so

They should already have their own airwing with a fleet of ALHs and UH-60 (I maintain it is one of the best tactical insertion platforms in existence, British troops in Afghan used to beg to be inserted by American Blackhawks as opposed to their RAF Chinooks and India has no real alternative to it even in design stages)

But of course lengthy and convoluted procurement processes and deputation cadre make this almost impossible
 


Fun is diving out from globemaster when it is on tactical combat descent, or combat flying. Yeh bachho wali videos se aaj kal koi impress nahi hota. There are better sky divers then these para forces who are civilians, bhai youtube bhara hua hai extreme sports se.

Outside India in west bacha bacha drones, skydiving, operating a weapon main trained hai. Bhai kis zamane mein ho?

During actual combat itna time nahi milega now days. Lots to learn.
 
So let me tell you something which the officer did not clarify in the podcast.

This incident is from Mir Moholla, Hajin, 2019
Combined op of 13 and 31 RR

This family that was 'trapped' in the house was present with the terrorists for past two weeks. They were being fed and served well by that family. The locals even spotted that 11 year old boy playing football with those Paki tangos in their compound.

They were hardcore OGW's who were in contact with the Lashkar handlers in Pak.

While staying in that house one of the terrorist fell for the daughter (19) of the 60 year old father, so the father sent away his daughter to their relatives. So the tension builded up when the terrorists got to know about it.

So when the CASO started near the house the terrorists wanted the family to stay with them but they resisted.

When the forces tried to get the civies out from the house, the terrorists themselves sent away the mother and other ladies out but kept the father and son.

In the second room intervention attempt by 31 RR, they were fired upon being spotted and it failed.

In the 3rd attempt to rescue while the terr0rists engaged the army, the father escaped from the window like a coward leaving his son behind.

the terr0rists even shot a couple of rounds towards the father, but he ran away

Frustrated brave mujahids, ch0pped up the neck of the 11 yr old kid

The army teams probably thought that the father has escaped along with the kid so they backed off.

The mother of the kid repeatedly asked local SP and Coy cmdr to let her speak to the terrorists. As she knew the 'mujahids' well and they weren't bad people and that they will release the kid upon being requested.

So the army took her along with them inside the house and the terr0rists asked her to come and see her son. So she went near the room and saw the body of her son lying down. Upon seeing this she ran away and was taken down.

Using drones the army confirmed, the boy was dead.

and then the room was blew up using IED's

I think it was a completely logical decision by the officers to let her talk with them as the terrorists were the one's to let her go and she was happily staying with them for the past 2 weeks.

the 3rd rescue attempt was almost a complete success had the father not left behind his son.

The room layout was very simple, just a door for entry which connects it the staircase and a window (quite like the pic I have attached). One terrorist was probably guarding the door while one was guarding the window.

They had good stores of 7.62 ammo, grenades and even a fking Thuraya SAT phone.

We have seen operators risking their all to save civilians in Pampore,View attachment 16405 I don't know what makes you believe that they didn't do it here.

after the operation that mfking family did not even said a word against those Paki pigs. All they could do was accuse the army on indirectly killing their boy in interviews.

Seeing the family's loss, the local magistrate asked the police to drop off all charges against that family for helping terrorists with stay and food.

The police compensated them with money to build a new house and other freebies

Damn after listening to this I take my words back, the family was absolutely at fault.
This house was probably 400 m from river side border and that made it a perfect hiding spot for tangos.
Several salient points about this op and from the podcast (which I too could only listen half and then could not bear to) :

1. Our JnK RoE are Fubar. It assumes locals are innocent till proven guilty whereas it should be the other way round. Their sympathy always lies with their qaum bros and not with Bharath and Hindus are treated less than rats. So calling out terrorists before engaging is SOP whether we like it or not (US troops also used to do it in Afg after RoEs were changed post 2011 I think). So blame for this lies on GoI rather than IA.

2. Hence using these civvie terrorist supporting locals as cover by IA is fully justified, its infact SOP in JnK from what I gather from Hellfire on twitter.

3. Lack of NVG again to the forefront, conducting hostage rescue in daylight. Enuf said about this already !

4. Why were drones not used from the get go to gain a clear picture of the situation, but used only after that girl informed IA that the kid might already be dead ?
 
Aren't they putting all para regiments into Para sf?

From wiki:

The total strength of the Parachute Regiment stands from 8,000-10,000 which includes one Rashtriya Rifles personnel and two Territorial Army battalions, while the Para (SF) includes between 5,000-6,000 personnel or maybe more.
But also:

Currently, the Para Special Forces consists of 15 battalions with each battalion consisting of 620 special forces operators.

So how many are they actually?
 
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Several salient points about this op and from the podcast (which I too could only listen half and then could not bear to) :

1. Our JnK RoE are Fubar. It assumes locals are innocent till proven guilty whereas it should be the other way round. Their sympathy always lies with their qaum bros and not with Bharath and Hindus are treated less than rats. So calling out terrorists before engaging is SOP whether we like it or not (US troops also used to do it in Afg after RoEs were changed post 2011 I think). So blame for this lies on GoI rather than IA.

2. Hence using these civvie terrorist supporting locals as cover by IA is fully justified, its infact SOP in JnK from what I gather from Hellfire on twitter.

3. Lack of NVG again to the forefront, conducting hostage rescue in daylight. Enuf said about this already !

4. Why were drones not used from the get go to gain a clear picture of the situation, but used only after that girl informed IA that the kid might already be dead ?
It's usually taught that HR ops are supposed to be carried out ASAP without any wait to gain any sort of advantage that would take up some critical/crucial time due to the sensitivity of this task thatmeans be it daylight, daybreak, dawn or dusk you have to go in. Now combine this with the R.O.E in place. The higher ups (both political and security) thinks that our men should give the terrorists a fair fight by stripping them (our guys) down to the level of guerilla (minus the heavy calibre weapons)
 
Fun is diving out from globemaster when it is on tactical combat descent, or combat flying. Yeh bachho wali videos se aaj kal koi impress nahi hota. There are better sky divers then these para forces who are civilians, bhai youtube bhara hua hai extreme sports se.

Outside India in west bacha bacha drones, skydiving, operating a weapon main trained hai. Bhai kis zamane mein ho?

During actual combat itna time nahi milega now days. Lots to learn.
Tactical combat descent ? Combat flying ? Yeh Kya Hota ? Do you mean "with load" ? Like this -
View: https://youtu.be/KKMFvW_g4Lc?si=sNEIW0TfZAgudgaf ?
 

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