Indian Special Forces

Firstly if you as a special forces operative are getting yourself into a situation of having to defend yourself against a knife....boss your SOPs need to be revised. You need to be a poor planner to get yourself into it. i have seen all the krag maga bullshit and their is more sensible advice from valhalla tactical as not to get yourself into these idiotic maneuvers. I've seen Kali being preached by ex SEAL Team Six guy Client Emerson

But C'mon man Kali is a good martial art but overhyped as fuck. If you really want to spend time and watch good analysis of knife defence here this is:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6faLygKH_k

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX36pjtgQqo&t=1767s
This is where I found the last one -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSi4tbWQKZ0&t=379s

This is a discussion that has been done to death on DFI.

As a special forces operative assaulter a house, you don't really know what's waiting round the corner inside always.. the inernal layouts cannot be known to the T, there will always be a sizeable element of uncertainty.

Inside of 21 feet, a man with a knife intent on killing you will get to you and stab you before you can say "oh fuck"


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49rv3QBtkk

the time delay is much less if the distance is lesser... the typical room inside the house would be lesser than 21 feet.

In that moment, you can't be saying oh but I don't know how to fight unarmed against a knife/machete wielding attacker (coming from a direction where the gun isn't pointing), to free my weapon from the aggressor and bring him into a position where I can use my lethal tools.

This is why Combatives is taught to all special forces around the world, they know what they're doing.

Also, Kali, or more specifically Pekiti Tirsia, isn't overhyped.
I can tell you something from experience here, I've trained Pekiti and PFS/RAT for 7+ years.. have dabbled a bit in BJJ as well.
For the street, there is nothing better than Pekiti and PFS/RAT (a modernized version of the classical JKD), if you want to survive against multiple people with knives and other weapons.
As such, in the street, the best defense against a knife is to run away, fighting is only for when you cant... which is what the scenario is with a SF guy inside a house.. cant run away.

A knife is one of the only tools that can damage you both coming into you and going away from you. You cant block it.

And in general, a knife attacker will not stand still after one slash or stab.. it will be multiple ones coming in with full force.. all this joint lock/wrist lock, blocking shit from BJJ and MMA doesn't work in the street... and if he's got buddies, you keep rolling around with one and the others will come and finish the job.
If you roll around with BJJ with someone who has a knife, you will get serious wounds or die.

The same principles apply to Military CQB.. it has to be clean and efficient with minimal steps involved to finish the job.

What the guy is doing in one of the videos you shared is not really BJJ, it is Combatives.. isolating the weapon hand and breaking it (or atleast hyperextending) at the elbow - the same concept is the first one taught in Pekiti and PFS/RAT - defanging the snake.

This is one of those things that you can't get fully from watching videos.. I would suggest going out and training a bit to find out.
Under the stress of attack, your fine motor skills don't work.
You will not be able to go for wrist locks and intricate movements when the adrenaline is pumping. Only gross motor skills, and large, aggressive movements work.
And that is what is taught and perfected in Combatives... It's actually nothing more than a bunch of different street effective techniques from various martial arts put together into a syllabus of sorts.
 
This is a discussion that has been done to death on DFI.

As a special forces operative assaulter a house, you don't really know what's waiting round the corner inside always.. the inernal layouts cannot be known to the T, there will always be a sizeable element of uncertainty.

Inside of 21 feet, a man with a knife intent on killing you will get to you and stab you before you can say "oh fuck"


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49rv3QBtkk

the time delay is much less if the distance is lesser... the typical room inside the house would be lesser than 21 feet.

In that moment, you can't be saying oh but I don't know how to fight unarmed against a knife/machete wielding attacker (coming from a direction where the gun isn't pointing), to free my weapon from the aggressor and bring him into a position where I can use my lethal tools.

This is why Combatives is taught to all special forces around the world, they know what they're doing.

Also, Kali, or more specifically Pekiti Tirsia, isn't overhyped.
I can tell you something from experience here, I've trained Pekiti and PFS/RAT for 7+ years.. have dabbled a bit in BJJ as well.
For the street, there is nothing better than Pekiti and PFS/RAT (a modernized version of the classical JKD), if you want to survive against multiple people with knives and other weapons.
As such, in the street, the best defense against a knife is to run away, fighting is only for when you cant... which is what the scenario is with a SF guy inside a house.. cant run away.

A knife is one of the only tools that can damage you both coming into you and going away from you. You cant block it.

And in general, a knife attacker will not stand still after one slash or stab.. it will be multiple ones coming in with full force.. all this joint lock/wrist lock, blocking shit from BJJ and MMA doesn't work in the street... and if he's got buddies, you keep rolling around with one and the others will come and finish the job.
If you roll around with BJJ with someone who has a knife, you will get serious wounds or die.

The same principles apply to Military CQB.. it has to be clean and efficient with minimal steps involved to finish the job.

What the guy is doing in one of the videos you shared is not really BJJ, it is Combatives.. isolating the weapon hand and breaking it (or atleast hyperextending) at the elbow - the same concept is the first one taught in Pekiti and PFS/RAT - defanging the snake.

This is one of those things that you can't get fully from watching videos.. I would suggest going out and training a bit to find out.
Under the stress of attack, your fine motor skills don't work.
You will not be able to go for wrist locks and intricate movements when the adrenaline is pumping. Only gross motor skills, and large, aggressive movements work.
And that is what is taught and perfected in Combatives... It's actually nothing more than a bunch of different street effective techniques from various martial arts put together into a syllabus of sorts.

Every sf has hand to hand combat in their training recently we got to know Uncle Sam was hiring UFC guys to train their SF chaps crazy shit
 
This is a discussion that has been done to death on DFI.

As a special forces operative assaulter a house, you don't really know what's waiting round the corner inside always.. the inernal layouts cannot be known to the T, there will always be a sizeable element of uncertainty.

Inside of 21 feet, a man with a knife intent on killing you will get to you and stab you before you can say "oh fuck"


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y49rv3QBtkk

the time delay is much less if the distance is lesser... the typical room inside the house would be lesser than 21 feet.

In that moment, you can't be saying oh but I don't know how to fight unarmed against a knife/machete wielding attacker (coming from a direction where the gun isn't pointing), to free my weapon from the aggressor and bring him into a position where I can use my lethal tools.

This is why Combatives is taught to all special forces around the world, they know what they're doing.

Also, Kali, or more specifically Pekiti Tirsia, isn't overhyped.
I can tell you something from experience here, I've trained Pekiti and PFS/RAT for 7+ years.. have dabbled a bit in BJJ as well.
For the street, there is nothing better than Pekiti and PFS/RAT (a modernized version of the classical JKD), if you want to survive against multiple people with knives and other weapons.
As such, in the street, the best defense against a knife is to run away, fighting is only for when you cant... which is what the scenario is with a SF guy inside a house.. cant run away.

A knife is one of the only tools that can damage you both coming into you and going away from you. You cant block it.

And in general, a knife attacker will not stand still after one slash or stab.. it will be multiple ones coming in with full force.. all this joint lock/wrist lock, blocking shit from BJJ and MMA doesn't work in the street... and if he's got buddies, you keep rolling around with one and the others will come and finish the job.
If you roll around with BJJ with someone who has a knife, you will get serious wounds or die.

The same principles apply to Military CQB.. it has to be clean and efficient with minimal steps involved to finish the job.

What the guy is doing in one of the videos you shared is not really BJJ, it is Combatives.. isolating the weapon hand and breaking it (or atleast hyperextending) at the elbow - the same concept is the first one taught in Pekiti and PFS/RAT - defanging the snake.

This is one of those things that you can't get fully from watching videos.. I would suggest going out and training a bit to find out.
Under the stress of attack, your fine motor skills don't work.
You will not be able to go for wrist locks and intricate movements when the adrenaline is pumping. Only gross motor skills, and large, aggressive movements work.
And that is what is taught and perfected in Combatives... It's actually nothing more than a bunch of different street effective techniques from various martial arts put together into a syllabus of sorts.

interesting..
will look up into it. Thanks!
But do look what I've shared, it's a similar perspective but more focused on grappling and taking control than sparring which I see in PKT most of the time. I know that you do not really know what's in the house, my point was that if an operator finds himself bare handed against a knife that is murphy's law kissing him on the forehead. But if he's in a room and get's attacked all of a sudden he can tackle that threat using BJJ, there's a reason why DEVGRU guys do combatives. Also you mentioned Combatives is not BJJ. Well I belive combatives is not PKT either, it is a mix of grappling and striking and weaponry. It's not MMA but it's for life or death situations. Also if MMA and BJJ is bs acc to you then why is everyother tactical professional out there including our own Valhalla Tactical who teach IA guys as well as US SOF and SWAT teams heavily relly on those skills ? Well in my opinion wrestling can't be matched when it comes down to fundamentals. Even PKT has Dumog to make it combat effective.
 
interesting..
will look up into it. Thanks!
But do look what I've shared, it's a similar perspective but more focused on grappling and taking control than sparring which I see in PKT most of the time. I know that you do not really know what's in the house, my point was that if an operator finds himself bare handed against a knife that is murphy's law kissing him on the forehead. But if he's in a room and get's attacked all of a sudden he can tackle that threat using BJJ, there's a reason why DEVGRU guys do combatives. Also you mentioned Combatives is not BJJ. Well I belive combatives is not PKT either, it is a mix of grappling and striking and weaponry. It's not MMA but it's for life or death situations. Also if MMA and BJJ is bs acc to you then why is everyother tactical professional out there including our own Valhalla Tactical who teach IA guys as well as US SOF and SWAT teams heavily relly on those skills ? Well in my opinion wrestling can't be matched when it comes down to fundamentals. Even PKT has Dumog to make it combat effective.
PTK is a complete system by itself.
It has everything, edged and impact weapon, knife to knife, empty hands to knife, empty hands, dumog pangamut as well as you mentioned.

However, the focus is very different.

It's not a sport based system, the intent is to kill or maim immediately. Basically make the attacker ineffective.

For example, a MMA or BJJ guy would train to trade punches if they get in a street fight for example.. I would go straight for the eyes.. cos that's how I have trained in PFS/RAT.

Lots of joint destructions, that's a major focus actually.. destroy a joint and the attacker can no longer attack.. opens it up for you to finish him with a gun or knife.. whatever the context is.

Devgru, GSG9 etc do Combatives, which is similar.. mix of all things.. basically one needs to learn how to fight effectively at all ranges.. and know what mix of tools to use where..

And the focus is to learn the correct techniques really fast.. Devgru uses RAT (Rapid Assault Tactics) for example.. it is used to seriously injured or kill a person.. there is no blocking or trading punches and kicks.. Just Intercept, Pressurise and Terminate.
A martial arts can take years to master.. you can learn RAT in a couple of weeks.
 
To be fair, MMA/boxing/BJJ means jackshit when there's a blade or impact weapon involved.
You need combatives or Kali against it. Can't block a knife, or a bat swinging at your face.
This is true. In that case than Hand to Hand combat is practically useless
 
Firstly if you as a special forces operative are getting yourself into a situation of having to defend yourself against a knife....boss your SOPs need to be revised. You need to be a poor planner to get yourself into it. i have seen all the krag maga bullshit and their is more sensible advice from valhalla tactical as not to get yourself into these idiotic maneuvers. I've seen Kali being preached by ex SEAL Team Six guy Client Emerson

But C'mon man Kali is a good martial art but overhyped as fuck. If you really want to spend time and watch good analysis of knife defence here this is:

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6faLygKH_k

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GX36pjtgQqo&t=1767s
This is where I found the last one -
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSi4tbWQKZ0&t=379s

Krav Maga is a joke. Only boxing/mma/wrestling will save you in streets.

Keep in mind i’ve been boxing for years. If i were to compete i’d need to register my hands as weapons.

I am quite literally capable of giving someone brain damage in a street fight. Unless he’s an experienced wrestler that is then i’m screwed.
 
krag maga bullshit and their is more sensible advice from valhalla tactical as not to get yourself into these idiotic maneuvers
Second that! Most martial arts training centers in the US offer 1-3 or a week's worth of free classes to try out before you enroll and I did try Krav Maga because of all the rage...only to realize there's no way this crap would work in real life

Most folks here swear by BJJ being the most effective in a real life situation but it also takes the longest to master while Muay Thai is good for offense
 
No point in standardizing this abomination. They already look outta place and will likely slip even with regular movements only resulting in putting these operators at risk

Just get em some integrated pads already
you know what i think is the reason for all this shitshow .. its coz of the absence of any domestic mass production , shit like good quality PCs , battle belts will not cost thousands if made in mass by machines .
Olive Planet's products are not good .
Our men have to buy their own gear , if we had a good domestic rnd and production ecosystem like china or Korea they would have been able to equip them decently without paying double to import shit , yeah it would not have been as good as crye but they would have it at least .

We need decent clone makers we need an Indian holoson only then situation will improve coz the institution itself is not gonna change anytime soon.
 
you know what i think is the reason for all this shitshow .. its coz of the absence of any domestic mass production , shit like good quality PCs , battle belts will not cost thousands if made in mass by machines .
Olive Planet's products are not good .
Our men have to buy their own gear , if we had a good domestic rnd and production ecosystem like china or Korea they would have been able to equip them decently without paying double to import shit , yeah it would not have been as good as crye but they would have it at least .

We need decent clone makers we need an Indian holoson only then situation will improve coz the institution itself is not gonna change anytime soon.
Integrated pads are not significantly different from a production standpoint compared to these external ones. I've seen airsofters here in the US wear pad inserts where their pants or shirt sleeves have pockets cut out (internal or external) in which the pads can be inserted similar to the below which allows them to remain in place irrespective of the movements and can be removed for washing

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