Indo-China Border & LAC

Ultraman said:
army gen visit to forward post today , same post that was discussed here - relating to that fake news about clash.

amazing coincidence or maybe there is some link here between those images+news and visit.

@mist_consecutive figured out the location


View: https://twitter.com/firefurycorps/status/1823399980901736833
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Are we slowly becoming like porkies now, hiding incidents, casualties etc.... covering up behind fake news, Will adgpi now say this as own fire accident?
 
samsaptaka said:
Are we slowly becoming like porkies now, hiding incidents, casualties etc.... covering up behind fake news, Will adgpi now say this as own fire accident?
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still not sure if there clash or accident or anything .

we dont hide casualties but remember that agniveer who died in "accidental" mine blast . then PAFF released a video of IED hit on a patrol . never seen any clarification on that .
 
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Ukraine invaded Russia and is now in control of 1000 sqkm .

about the total size of india-china stand off disputed area . except this is populated area , cities town, farms

fact that there is isnt even threat of nuclear strike is interesting . if China or India goes to war , and one side grabs populated area , leh or demchok or chinese chumbi valley , a tibetan town or whatever , this will be same case . there will be no nuclear missiles flying , that side will hold it until it gets thrown out by tanks and men


View: https://x.com/Tendar/status/1823770513920962916
 
Ultraman said:
Ukraine invaded Russia and is now in control of 1000 sqkm .

about the total size of india-china stand off disputed area . except this is populated area , cities town, farms

fact that there is isnt even threat of nuclear strike is interesting . if China or India goes to war , and one side grabs populated area , leh or demchok or chinese chumbi valley , a tibetan town or whatever , this will be same case . there will be no nuclear missiles flying , that side will hold it until it gets thrown out by tanks and men


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I thought this was common knowledge. Just having nuclear weapons doesn't mean you will use them unless the threshold is actually the existence of the country.

Untill and unless the leadership feels the very existence of the republic is gonna compromised nuclear red button won't be pressed. It is better to face a small loss and fight tomorrow than end everything today.
 
Why the QUAD Is Not Taking Off

The QUAD is a defensive treaty aimed at limiting Chinese maneuverability in both the Pacific and Indian Oceans. Although China has built a substantial naval fleet, its quality and the competency of its naval crew are questionable. Nonetheless, this fleet provides significant intimidation capabilities. Most nations in the Indo-Pacific cannot match Chinese naval power, highlighting the need for a coalition to counter Chinese challenges from Japan to the Suez Canal.

The idea of the QUAD (Quadrilateral Security Dialogue) was conceived about twenty years ago. However, American business engagements with China from 1995 to 2015 kept the QUAD on the back burner. The situation changed with the arrival of a belligerent leader, Xi Jinping, who can be seen as a new reincarnation of Mao Zedong. Xi has maintained business relations with the US but has aggressively expanded China's maritime claims, including international shipping lanes in the Eastern Seas near China. He ordered a rapid buildup of the Chinese navy, sending a clear message to countries like Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, South Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, and India: either submit to Chinese dictates or face consequences. This threat prompted the nations to strengthen the QUAD after its earlier false starts. It was Donald Trump who pushed the idea to fruition.

As a matter of fact, the QUAD is a strategic security dialogue between Australia, India, Japan, and the United States, aimed at safeguarding sea security interests in the region. After President Donald Trump initiated it, President Joe Biden further advanced the initiative. Given China's belligerence towards Taiwan, a collective understanding became essential.

Early in his term, Joe Biden facilitated two significant dialogues among the four leaders: one was a face-to-face meeting, and the other was conducted electronically. However, the discussions were disrupted by the Ukraine war and later by the Middle East conflict, which shifted priorities. While Japan, Australia, and the U.S. aligned on most QUAD agenda items, India was hesitant to proceed further. The U.S. hoped India would sever ties with Russia and fully join the American-led group, but India resisted. Issues like India's purchase of cheap oil from Russia and its reluctance to support the U.S. in the Ukraine war remained unresolved. Additionally, China formed a security agreement with Russia, the details of which are unknown, despite their historical animosity. China needed a powerful ally in the Pacific, and in return, it supported Russia in the Ukraine war.

Given these changes, there is a need to revisit the QUAD's objectives. After some delay, the QUAD Foreign Ministers met on July 29th in Tokyo to resume their work. However, with the upcoming U.S. elections, the strategic dialogue may face further delays.

Meanwhile, India has been actively policing the seas from the Suez Canal to Singapore. With over eleven naval ships in the Western Indian Ocean, India has dealt with hijacking, provided aid to distressed ships, and more. This work is commendable and highly appreciated.
 
Hari Sud said:
Why the QUAD Is Not Taking Off

The QUAD is a defensive treaty aimed at limiting Chinese maneuverability in both the Pacific and Indian Oceans. Although China has built a substantial naval fleet, its quality and the competency of its naval crew are questionable. Nonetheless, this fleet provides significant intimidation capabilities. Most nations in the Indo-Pacific cannot match Chinese naval power, highlighting the need for a coalition to counter Chinese challenges from Japan to the Suez Canal.

The idea of the QUAD (Quadrilateral Security Dialogue) was conceived about twenty years ago. However, American business engagements with China from 1995 to 2015 kept the QUAD on the back burner. The situation changed with the arrival of a belligerent leader, Xi Jinping, who can be seen as a new reincarnation of Mao Zedong. Xi has maintained business relations with the US but has aggressively expanded China's maritime claims, including international shipping lanes in the Eastern Seas near China. He ordered a rapid buildup of the Chinese navy, sending a clear message to countries like Japan, Taiwan, Philippines, South Korea, Vietnam, Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, and India: either submit to Chinese dictates or face consequences. This threat prompted the nations to strengthen the QUAD after its earlier false starts. It was Donald Trump who pushed the idea to fruition.

As a matter of fact, the QUAD is a strategic security dialogue between Australia, India, Japan, and the United States, aimed at safeguarding sea security interests in the region. After President Donald Trump initiated it, President Joe Biden further advanced the initiative. Given China's belligerence towards Taiwan, a collective understanding became essential.

Early in his term, Joe Biden facilitated two significant dialogues among the four leaders: one was a face-to-face meeting, and the other was conducted electronically. However, the discussions were disrupted by the Ukraine war and later by the Middle East conflict, which shifted priorities. While Japan, Australia, and the U.S. aligned on most QUAD agenda items, India was hesitant to proceed further. The U.S. hoped India would sever ties with Russia and fully join the American-led group, but India resisted. Issues like India's purchase of cheap oil from Russia and its reluctance to support the U.S. in the Ukraine war remained unresolved. Additionally, China formed a security agreement with Russia, the details of which are unknown, despite their historical animosity. China needed a powerful ally in the Pacific, and in return, it supported Russia in the Ukraine war.

Given these changes, there is a need to revisit the QUAD's objectives. After some delay, the QUAD Foreign Ministers met on July 29th in Tokyo to resume their work. However, with the upcoming U.S. elections, the strategic dialogue may face further delays.

Meanwhile, India has been actively policing the seas from the Suez Canal to Singapore. With over eleven naval ships in the Western Indian Ocean, India has dealt with hijacking, provided aid to distressed ships, and more. This work is commendable and highly appreciated.
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And the US remains apathetic to India's security needs. US only cares about its security needs and expects others to jump when asked to make hay. US does nothing to enhance India's security needs but resorts to flagrant disregard for India's security needs, blackmail and duplicity. Who needs enemies when you have a "friend" like US?
 
mist_consecutive said:
Kursk incursion is a diversionary tactics from real battle front. Also very risky from geopolitical perspective, e.g., since Russian territory is invaded, China & Iran can sell weapons surplus to Russia citing the same clause that NATO is supplying weapon to Ukraine to defend their "borders", and see how they come crying.

But I digress, we ought to discuss this in Ukraine-Russia war thread.
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I think it's not a diversion it's a well played strategic plan. In case Trump wins the elections, Ukraine will want to bargain territory what Russia has taken on east of Ukraine with Kursk.
 
Screambowl said:
I think it's not a diversion it's a well played strategic plan. In case Trump wins the elections, Ukraine will want to bargain territory what Russia has taken on east of Ukraine with Kursk.
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Can they hold it ? What if China starts supplying Arms to Russia for "protection of Russian territory" ?

All these European smartasses will start squeaking and crying "injustice". Entire Europe's ammunition manufacturing capacity is lesser than Russia. If China joins the game then it will start looking grim not not only Ukraine but Poland and Romania as well.
 
mist_consecutive said:
Can they hold it ? What if China starts supplying Arms to Russia for "protection of Russian territory" ?

All these European smartasses will start squeaking and crying "injustice". Entire Europe's ammunition manufacturing capacity is lesser than Russia. If China joins the game then it will start looking grim not not only Ukraine but Poland and Romania as well.
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This if is the main factor. And when will that happen is another main factor. Chinese can backstab Russians if Taiwan issue settles down during Trump, tough but can be set aside.
 
Ultraman said:
army probably forced them to do it and we didnt get back our yaks either 💀

the PLA and tibetans here are chutiyas . they steal land / yaks / protest over everything and yet we bend over backwards.

even if there is a war , what ever land we grab from chinese will be given back :facepalm4: , certain of it .
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Hold on, doesn't that make US the chutiyas??!!
 
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