Indo-China Border & LAC

Ultraman said:
saw the video , they showed coordinates briefly , seems like its another lake inside tibet .

đź‘€ its interesting video , if u see more do post here .
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They would just bring wrong coordinates, all military media over the world did so.

Our India research community gave the text on the screenshot, it says somewhere in Pangkong Tso.

I don't think any lake except border lake with India, needs PLA for underwater engineering.

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There might be some underwater competition between IA and PLA, like underwater censor networks.

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Our community says IA are using US made DPV in the lake. During the winter time, when China sides are frozen, but India side didn't yet, there are might be some underwater engineering by IA powered by DPV.

Of course, the whole story just assumptions.
 
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crazywithmath said:
They want the electronics (Apple etc) supply chain here and are forcing JVs on them (a tactic they copied from chinkus). Also, the proposals are being okayed on a case by case basis, the broader mechanism remains unaltered and unlikely to be tweaked for other sectors.

The GoI wouldn't be slapping a new anti dumping duty every morning if they indeed wanted to play buddies with them. This is the most china skeptic their trade/investment policy has ever been - even more protectionist than those post Galwan days. Them thinking of okaying select chinku investment proposals have been on the news for the past 1 year; not even a recent development.

The likes of Apple always move in with their specialist suppliers; it has nothing to do with geopolitics.
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. So called specialist supplier visas had been blocked for a long time

www.thehindu.com

Chinese crew not allowed to come ashore at Vizhinjam

Chinese crew not allowed to come ashore at Vizhinjam
www.thehindu.com www.thehindu.com

"For Modi, economic security is priority with China, not profit for Indian business"​




The need for Chinese investment or technology (although copied from West) in India is not a new phenomenon or a recent discovery of fact.

I will rephrase my question -
Visas and investment were stopped/restricted in response to border incursions , now trade visa are being faciliated, our (GOI) stand was border incursion including legacy issue should be solved first to move forward with trade/normal relation while Chinese wanted the opposite 'to keep border tensions in its place and move forward with trade relations '

We can see forward movement in trade relations that is in the public domain my question was/is what is the movement forward on border standoff resolution incl (so called )legacy issues.


"The demand in the past by India was descalation/disengagement even from legacy areas but chinaman kept saying keep status co and let do trade again (although only nominal face saving restrictions were imposed by India).
If osint experts have shared details of complete deescalation and return to status co pre galwan pls do share."
 
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“The two sides should … put the differences on the boundary issue in an appropriate position in bilateral relations, and adhere to the correct development direction of bilateral relations,” china said.

www.aljazeera.com

India says ties with China can’t be normal with border tension

Indian foreign minister says ties cannot be normal as long as there is huge deployment of troops along disputed border.
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ArjunMK1A said:
The Indian Labour force is not skilled enough to work in Electronics industry. Foxconn Media report on Iphone Manufacturing in Indian clearly emphasized this point. We are going to give Visas to Chinese for training our workforce.
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India is a new player in the "electronics manufacturing" business, off course it is hard to find the skilled manpower. Give a decade, and we will excel at it.
 
"It ends with “accommodate each other’s legitimate concerns,” which maybe a nudge to India to accept China’s land grab, with the promise that it would help “reach a mutually acceptable resolution at an early date.”"

stratnewsglobal.com

India China Border Talks: No Breakthroughs As India Reiterates Red Lines

Going by the two statements released by the India and China foreign ministries at the end of the 31st round of consultations in Beijing on the border, it was evident they continue to see the issue differently. The Indian statement was factual. “The two sides had a frank, constructive and forward-loo
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"Even a tactical thaw wouldn’t be easy, as one or both sides would need to budge from their existing, conflicting positions. India’s stance has been “border before broader,” i.e., broader ties could not return to normal if the border remained “abnormal.” China’s stance has been “broader before border”—as reflected in the new Chinese ambassador’s insistence that “the boundary question is not the entirety of the relationship.”"

www.brookings.edu

Is there going to be an India-China deal?

Could there be an Indian effort to see whether a more stable dynamic with China is possible? Modi could try—as he did in 2014, 2018 and 2019.
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"There is also some political risk. The Modi government has dismissed opposition accusations that it has accepted Chinese gains and a new normal at the border. But domestic critics will continue to scrutinize any claims of a “return to peace and tranquility” (the government’s stated metric) and whether concessions are made in the search for stability. There might also be some backlash from labor and/or sections of Indian business from any easing of economic restrictions on China, given concerns about Chinese overcapacity among other issues."
 
Anants said:
Dost check when Orange Revolution and Euro Maidaan took place. Those were aimed at Russia alone. As I said US started meddling in Ukraine long ago as it was its plan to initiate hostilities between Russia and Ukraine long ago. It's a time tested play out of Divide and Rule playbook afterall. It's just Russia ain't India too sulk around long and sit. It attacked once it was done getting poked enough.
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Foreign intelligence is always going to meddle. E.g., take the case of Maldives, Sri Lanka, Nepal and more Bangladesh.

We are constantly countering them. Military action against a country is the last option. And if you take military action make sure it is worth it.

Even China being a superpower has Taiwan, South Korea, Phillipines.
 
Ultraman said:
just another chai biscoot session

there is no point to the stand off now anyway . time for hard action has gone , there will never vacate depsang and even if they vacate forward post and allow us to patrol forward it will only be a token gesture .

only remaining step now is to just accept new LAC reality and ask China to pull back troops . if they refuse then there is no scope for friendly talks . nation that keeps 50000 - 90000 troops at ur border is a serious threat .
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Neither China or India will pull back troops. China is fortifying the positions and so are we.

We have two options -

1. Accept the current status and forget it (what China wants).

2. Tit-for-tat some land grab somewhere else, then ask the China to forget it and move on.

But since we chose to be big boys who don’t need anyone, told fcuk off to homo-NATO and jumped into bed with old dying lady Russia, we don’t have the 2nd option anymore.
 
hurrians said:
. So called specialist supplier visas had been blocked for a long time

www.thehindu.com

Chinese crew not allowed to come ashore at Vizhinjam

Chinese crew not allowed to come ashore at Vizhinjam
www.thehindu.com www.thehindu.com

"For Modi, economic security is priority with China, not profit for Indian business"​




The need for Chinese investment or technology (although copied from West) in India is not a new phenomenon or a recent discovery of fact.

I will rephrase my question -
Visas and investment were stopped/restricted in response to border incursions , now trade visa are being faciliated, our (GOI) stand was border incursion including legacy issue should be solved first to move forward with trade/normal relation while Chinese wanted the opposite 'to keep border tensions in its place and move forward with trade relations '

We can see forward movement in trade relations that is in the public domain my question was/is what is the movement forward on border standoff resolution incl (so called )legacy issues.


"The demand in the past by India was descalation/disengagement even from legacy areas but chinaman kept saying keep status co and let do trade again (although only nominal face saving restrictions were imposed by India).
If osint experts have shared details of complete deescalation and return to status co pre galwan pls do share."
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  1. For the billionth time, chinkus gain nothing by shifting the supply chains of Apple etc to India. They are NOT making finished products.
  2. Suppliers well established in Apple's supply chain gain nothing by forming JVs with inexperienced Indian newcomers.
  3. They are aiming to increase India's share of value addition (and the presence of Indian suppliers) in a finished product; what is wrong with that? When the Apple higher-ups themselves are interested, why should we cut off our own noses to spite the chinkus?
  4. The broader trade/investment restrictions are still in place and getting more stringent day by day.
 
mist_consecutive said:
Foreign intelligence is always going to meddle. E.g., take the case of Maldives, Sri Lanka, Nepal and more Bangladesh.

We are constantly countering them. Military action against a country is the last option. And if you take military action make sure it is worth it.

Even China being a superpower has Taiwan, South Korea, Phillipines.
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Apna apna samarthya hai.

In case of China : south Korea. TAIWAN AND phillipines are not the transgressors nor have the power. Their agression wry China cant be even compared to what Shaabji from Nepal showed for Lipulekh.

Russia just has the policy to overwhelmingly crush any danger to its sovereignty or its core interests(its superpower syndrome inherited from USSR and tries to mirrors US). Remember Chechnya? Georgia and Syria. This should tell anyone how serious is Russia under putin about its interests.

US OTOH has bombed, caused strife all over the world just for more wealth and lust for power.
 
crazywithmath said:
  1. For the billionth time, chinkus gain nothing by shifting the supply chains of Apple etc to India. They are NOT making finished products.
  2. Suppliers well established in Apple's supply chain gain nothing by forming JVs with inexperienced Indian newcomers.
  3. They are aiming to increase India's share of value addition (and the presence of Indian suppliers) in a finished product; what is wrong with that? When the Apple higher-ups themselves are interested, why should we cut off our own noses to spite the chinkus?
  4. The broader trade/investment restrictions are still in place and getting more stringent day by day.
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.I hope against hope that iam wrong
.you are greatly underestimating the power of Indian baniyas( traders irrespective of caste)
.the famous screwdrivergiri was evident in flame , which the government understood very late and tried to take corrective steps.
.wrt solar panels the us has exposed same screwdriver giri, hope the government will try to take corrective steps
.you are wrongly assuming that I supported or opposed government decisions to halt visas
.as I said it was digital strike on apps , restriction on visas which was really a very minute action or a smokescreen ,as the overall trade has only increased


And for the billionth time ,it was not me who said trade and conflict can't continue side by side, you are only concentrating on the trade part which just like you the Chinese have been consistently recommending/insisting/nudging.

Since you have defended the change in GOI position, my question remains the same -there is movement forward in trade ,now where is the movement forward in border issue including legacy issue resolution.

My question is regarding decoupling of border and trade which you are conveniently side stepping, there will be no further reply by me ,unless you raise any point about decoupling or border issue.
 
hurrians said:
And for the billionth time ,it was not me who said trade and conflict can't continue side by side, you are only concentrating on the trade part which just like you the Chinese have been consistently recommending/insisting/nudging.

Since you have defended the change in GOI position, my question remains the same -there is movement forward in trade ,now where is the movement forward in border issue including legacy issue resolution.

My question is regarding decoupling of border and trade which you are conveniently side stepping, there will be no further reply by me ,unless you raise any point about decoupling or border issue.
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Huh? Their policy has not changed; they are carving out an exception for the supliers of Apple, Samsung etc. Certain Taiwanese companies with links to Hong Kong based investors were off limits earlier - they are being allowed through the JV route. There is no indication that their broader protectionist policies are changing anytime soon; BYD, Changan, Great Wall Motors have not been allowed to set up shops in India despite repeated applications. Mahindra was forced to halt talks with Shaanxi as recently as a month back.
 
"promote the transition of the border situation into a normalized phase of control and management"

Mandarin or Cantonese meaning - we will keep what we have grabbed meanwhile come back to business.

China and India Hold the 29th Meeting of the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on Border Affairs - China Military

On March 27, 2024, Director-General of the Department of Boundary and Ocean Affairs of the Foreign Ministry Hong Liang and Joint Secretary of the East Asia Division of Ministry of External Affairs of India Gourangalal Das co-chaired the 29th Meeting of WMCC on China-India Border Affairs in Beijing.
eng.chinamil.com.cn eng.chinamil.com.cn

This postion has been consistent by china in all the talks.
 
hurrians said:
"promote the transition of the border situation into a normalized phase of control and management"

Mandarin or Cantonese meaning - we will keep what we have grabbed meanwhile come back to business.

China and India Hold the 29th Meeting of the Working Mechanism for Consultation and Coordination on Border Affairs - China Military

On March 27, 2024, Director-General of the Department of Boundary and Ocean Affairs of the Foreign Ministry Hong Liang and Joint Secretary of the East Asia Division of Ministry of External Affairs of India Gourangalal Das co-chaired the 29th Meeting of WMCC on China-India Border Affairs in Beijing.
eng.chinamil.com.cn eng.chinamil.com.cn

This postion has been consistent by china in all the talks.
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will be interesting to see how things go in AP .

maybe no issues or more salami slicing there
 
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